Jump to content




Photo

Husting dragster resurfaces after 52 years...


69 replies to this topic

#51 Dave Crevie

Dave Crevie

    Race Leader

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 870 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 09

Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:31 PM

I intend to restore my car, and would be up for running it on 36 volts, because that is what the motor was designed for.

 

The car in post 42 is closer to the one I remember. Gene ran it at a West Coast meet I also attended, and had already broken the 1 second barrier. I also was running at or just under 1 sec. locally, but couldn't do it at that meet. Since all dragstrips of the period were using multiple truck batteries for power it may be that my car would only do that when the batteries were fully charged. With so many cars making runs, the batts were most likely down a bit. Which makes Gene's times that much more amazing.  






#52 TSR

TSR

    The Dokktor is IN

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 41,518 posts
  • Joined: 02-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mexifornia

Posted 02 November 2017 - 02:31 PM

"Not to take anything away from Gene, but in the 21 years he held the ET record, was there much, if any, 36v drag racing going around?"

Mike, I do not know. I suppose that drag racing continued for years after 1966, while I was only paying attention to track racing. That record would have been beaten in 1987 apparently, and I suppose at a lower voltage, again, I don't know.

There is a vast void in my slot car racing knowledge, from mid 1973 through 1994 when I began paying attention again.

Paul, Gene used commercially available setscrew wheels that he modified, on which he epoxied hard-sponge tires. There were literally dozens of small companies manufacturing slot car wheels in the 1960s, actually it was bordering insanity to see the number of manufacturers and products. Gene told me that no commercially available tires stood up to the job, the rubber flying off the rim instantly.

I will check on weights of both the Hustler and the record car soon.
 


  • Cheater and hiline2 like this

#53 TSR

TSR

    The Dokktor is IN

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 41,518 posts
  • Joined: 02-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mexifornia

Posted 20 November 2017 - 03:24 PM

Well, over the weekend, Scott and dabbled at completing the car that was missing parts of its guts, namely the armature, bearings, gears and brush spring/tensioner.
Fortunately, we have Gene Husting's boxes that had a suitable rewound/balanced arm, albeit not exactly the same as the commutator on the original appears to be spaced 1/4" farther than the actual poles. Never mind as we can change this quite easily if we find the exact same arm later.
First, removal of the aluminum body and inspection of what we have here:

11.jpg

We found that the filed lamination and the brushes, still soldered to the lead wires, were present. Next was to find a suitable armature, and we did just that. There are tons of flanged 1/8" ball bearings in Gene's box (must have been a fetish or something!) and we set the arm in place, with aluminum spacers to get it in the center of the field, to select a set of gears that would mesh perfectly:

10.jpg

Next was finding longer screws and spacers to set the brush retainers:

9.jpg

Here is the finished beast with gears and brushes in place:

6.jpg

5.jpg

We cleaned up one of Gene's wheels set (the magnesium rims heavily corroded) and installed them with correct spacers. Next was to fit the body over the chassis, using the original screws:

4.jpg

3.jpg

1.jpg

The Hustler on its temporary display tray before it will be on permanent display on one of the shelves in the museum room, this getting pretty close to be completed:

2.jpg

This thing did a 1.26" on the scale quarter mile in February 1965... :)

 


  • Chris Stemman, miko, Régis4446 and 5 others like this

#54 Gator Bob

Gator Bob

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,350 posts
  • Joined: 12-April 11
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:.

Posted 21 November 2017 - 02:21 AM

Dokk or any historian of this period.

 

So... this was Gene's 1965 car. How late in to the 60s did these magwinders and padlocks run competitively.  

Who knows of a late or very late race reports running these?

 

1966, 67, 68 ....?

 

BTW, we are getting these type cars going pretty good a 14.7 volts. 


  • hiline2 and Tom Katsanis like this
Posted Image
                            Bob Israelite

#55 Dave Crevie

Dave Crevie

    Race Leader

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 870 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 09

Posted 21 November 2017 - 01:05 PM

I ran mine through the spring of '66. These cars were still being run at that time. When summer came, I quit slot racing to

get more involved in full size cars.


  • Gator Bob likes this

#56 Dallas Racer

Dallas Racer

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,615 posts
  • Joined: 03-November 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dallas, TX

Posted 21 November 2017 - 09:33 PM

Is the Challenger car belt drive?

 

I've never been into drag racing, but could get into racing vintage padlock motor rails. Those are just too cool!


Phil Smith ® ™


#57 Dave Crevie

Dave Crevie

    Race Leader

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 870 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 09

Posted 22 November 2017 - 03:15 PM

Looking at the other cars I would say it is gear driven, with a very nice gear guard to keep the 'chute from getting

jammed in between the gears. The one I wonder about is the Russkit car, which seems to have the motor in

backwards. I guess I will have to dig mine out to see if it is the same. I can't for the life of me remember what

side the gears are on with that car. My magwinder had the gears on the left side, but I used a comm side motor

frame so that the gears would be inside and protected by the side rails. Also I used a Ram 857 which had the thin

lams, and tapered them down to match the length of the stack. 



#58 Tom Katsanis

Tom Katsanis

    Backmarker

  • Subscriber
  • PipPip
  • 74 posts
  • Joined: 26-April 17
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Melbourne, Australia

Posted 22 November 2017 - 05:23 PM

Might be a Ram motor I built my car with the brushes & gearing the same way after reading the Husting impossible article in R&C Gene says that the Ram motor needs to run that way as the comm is timed that way if you look at the record setting car it has the brushes & gearing the same way.
Tom

#59 TSR

TSR

    The Dokktor is IN

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 41,518 posts
  • Joined: 02-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mexifornia

Posted 22 November 2017 - 08:10 PM

 

So... this was Gene's 1965 car.


One of at least three nearly identical cars we were able to identify on old pictures in Rod & Custom and other mags.
 

 

The one I wonder about is the Russkit car, which seems to have the motor in backwards.

The armature timing makes it run faster that way.
 

 

Is the Challenger car belt drive?

All are gear driven. A belt (like a stretched O-ring, pretty much all you could get then) would never be able to take the torque and would likely split the instant when power would be applied.
The gear guards were not designed for parachutes since none of these cars ever had one. But there were some foam blocks to receive the cars and the guards protected the foam from being chewed bu the gears upon "landing", according to Gene.

 



#60 Gator Bob

Gator Bob

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,350 posts
  • Joined: 12-April 11
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:.

Posted 23 November 2017 - 01:14 AM

One of at least three nearly identical cars we were able to identify on old pictures in Rod & Custom and other mags.
 

 

Three near identical 1965 cars ... ok.

The question was

 

How late in to the 60s did these magwinders and padlocks run competitively.  

1966, 67, 68 ....?

 

Anyone know of any late or very latest race reports running these?


Posted Image
                            Bob Israelite

#61 hiline2

hiline2

    On The Lead Lap

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 421 posts
  • Joined: 22-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Piney Woods around Tyler, TX

Posted 23 November 2017 - 08:26 AM

Ok I thought I had posted some questions but guess I didnt ! :dash2:

 

Dokk,

 

1: the pic of all the cars, is there a full description on each somewhere else ? details etc ?

 

2: the weight on front of Gene's car, lead shaped ?

 

3: the under-body trim over motor, for aerodynamics or just keep gunk out of motor ?


Paul Bass

#62 Dave Crevie

Dave Crevie

    Race Leader

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 870 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 09

Posted 23 November 2017 - 11:32 AM

Hmm... I rewound the armature in my car myself. I was not able to detect any reverse timing. It looked to be the same as the

Pittmans I also ran. I'll have to look again, but if that is true, my car should not have run as fast as it did.



#63 Dallas Racer

Dallas Racer

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,615 posts
  • Joined: 03-November 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Dallas, TX

Posted 23 November 2017 - 02:18 PM

This thread has me Jonesing for a vintage padlock motor rail. I saved a new eBay search to find one. :good:


Phil Smith ® ™


#64 TSR

TSR

    The Dokktor is IN

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 41,518 posts
  • Joined: 02-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mexifornia

Posted 23 November 2017 - 03:49 PM

 

How late in to the 60s did these magwinders and padlocks run competitively.  

1966, 67, 68 ....?


I do not know, but when I was seriously racing slot cars between 1971 and 1973, I recall that there was drag racing going on at the various raceways that we visited, that had a drag strip.
 

 

This thread has me Jonesing for a vintage padlock motor rail. I saved a new eBay search to find one.


Save yourself some time and PM me ... :)

 

1: the pic of all the cars, is there a full description on each somewhere else ? details etc ?

 

2: the weight on front of Gene's car, lead shaped ?

 

3: the under-body trim over motor, for aerodynamics or just keep gunk out of motor ?


Here are your answers as best as I can tell:

1/ No. I will concoct one for you at the end of this post.

2/ Ground and polished stainless steel, could be boron.

3/ Neither. Gene told me that it was to deter prying eyes on some mods he was doing on the motor.

Now for the cars in the picture:

12.jpg

1, 4, 8 and 9: K&B production dragsters expertly and correctly built by Rick Thigpen.
2: car built in 1966 by by former magazine writer Ben Millspaugh
3: car built in 1966 by former drag racer Bob Braverman
5: standard Russkit dragster, designed and produced by Bob Braverman, later marketed by Russkit
6: gorgeous car built in 1966 by one of the greatest slot car racers ever, Gene Wallingford
7: Gene Husting's Hustler, painted by Bob Kovacs, a beautiful survivor of a magic era

All are powered by either stock or modified Pittman DC85 or modified RAM motors.
 


  • miko, Gator Bob, mike1972chev and 1 other like this

#65 hiline2

hiline2

    On The Lead Lap

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 421 posts
  • Joined: 22-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Piney Woods around Tyler, TX

Posted 24 November 2017 - 07:40 AM

Thanks Dokk, great info !

 

I was impressed with the simple answer of Gene trying his best to hide the secrets ! 

 

Last question for now:

 

On the custom cars what is the tire dia ? Just curious more then anything,

 

Just how close do we want tire dia to be to spur gear ?


Paul Bass

#66 TSR

TSR

    The Dokktor is IN

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 41,518 posts
  • Joined: 02-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mexifornia

Posted 24 November 2017 - 11:41 AM

I do not know much about slot-car drag racing but assume that just like the full-size jobs, the larger the tire diameter, the more traction the car can generate. The diameter of tires on these cars is about 1.5" to 1.75". As far as gears, as long as when the tires compress on initial acceleration from the starting line, they do not drag, it is whatever one wants to get the adequate gear ratio.


  • hiline2 and tonyp like this

#67 Dave Crevie

Dave Crevie

    Race Leader

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 870 posts
  • Joined: 16-February 09

Posted 24 November 2017 - 02:58 PM

As I recall, even if the spur gear was bouncing on the track surface when the car was sitting still, there was enough "grow"

in the tire when the motor spun up that the car was raised well above it's normal clearance. I used Grumbacher model

airplane tires at the rear of my car, and they grew considerably at full speed.

 

Dokk, you have no Idea how much joy you gave me by adding the Braverman car to that shot. I didn't know who he was at

the time, or who owned that car. But I remember how impressed I was with the engine turned body. I thought it was the most

beautiful car I had ever seen. 



#68 TSR

TSR

    The Dokktor is IN

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 41,518 posts
  • Joined: 02-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mexifornia

Posted 24 November 2017 - 05:23 PM

Happy that you are happy!  :)


  • mike1972chev likes this

#69 TSR

TSR

    The Dokktor is IN

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 41,518 posts
  • Joined: 02-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mexifornia

Posted 30 November 2017 - 10:20 PM

Just found this picture of the car taken by Al Hall for Rod & Custom, that is the very car!

hustler_10.jpg


  • hiline2, tonyp, miko and 2 others like this

#70 Electric Dream Team

Electric Dream Team

    On The Lead Lap

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 379 posts
  • Joined: 19-March 06
  • Gender:Male

Posted 15 January 2018 - 08:18 PM

P,

You forgot to tell the folks here that Gene's box was painted by none other than Bob Kovacs!!

If you look closely enough you can see "Kovacs" hand lettered by him in his signature style, but is partially rubbed off, so it's like trying to find waldo!

sb


  • tonyp likes this
Electric Dream Team
Scott Bader





Electric Dreams Online Shop