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#51 MSwiss

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 05:20 PM

 

Yes it fits and meshes perfectly with a 9/39.

 

 

How about a straight-on picture, from the bottom?


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 05:32 PM

How about a straight-on picture, from the bottom?

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 05:40 PM

So a C can fits in there, and at that soft angle?

So, like I said, it doesn't fit in at that soft angle.

 

 

Yes it fits and meshes perfectly with a 9/39.

 

Again, no, it doesn't fit perfect.

 

You have to jury-rig it, just like you complained about with my Group F chassis.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 05:42 PM

It would with a higher gear range but that's not what I am running. No motor with a 9/39 will sit flush in any wing chassis. 


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 05:47 PM

If you used a Koford C Can chassis, with a steeper angle, it would fit fine, with 9-39.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 05:53 PM

Maybe. All I have is Proslot motors. 


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:02 PM

Yes. I can fit a C-Can in the Camen chassis no issue. I already bought it (long and short Arrow) cause both were $30.00 brand new so was hard to resist as it sells for waaay more. What I did have issues with is the Chicago Land chassis. The rear frame is further out than say a Beuf Koford chassis, but I got it to fit, was just more at an angle than others I have.

The point is you went out of your way to point out your C can motor didn't fit perfect in my Group F chassis(which it shouldn't, it's designed for a Group F motor), but then went out of your way to falsely say that same C can motor fits perfect in another chassis, it's not intended to.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:09 PM

I never said it never fit. Only stated that "One thing is that the motor does not align exactly against the chassis like on a Beuf." I was not complaining either, only making an observation. Apparently that is the only thing you are holding onto. I also did say more positive things but you seem to be ignoring all that.  :shok:


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:18 PM

I don't care you brought up my chassis, because the C Can is not supposed to be a perfect for on it.

But that you said "Yes. I can fit a C-Can in the Camen chassis no issue."

How is not sitting at the same angle as the side rail, and having to add a piece of brass tubing on the back, because the motor brace is also at the wrong angle, and not long enough, " no issue"?

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:26 PM

Is not an issue because it fits, simple, just not how I expected right or wrong is all. 


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:31 PM

But why was mine an issue?

It's advertised as;
CR003 Econo Group F Wing car chassis kit

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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:46 PM

Maybe. All I have is Proslot motors. 

Proslot C can motor will fit in any chassis designed for a C can


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:47 PM

Your chassis is great. No issue really for the type of motors I am using. I really don't buy a chassis according to the "group" etc. I don't buy a motor to fit a group chassis either. If I can get a $30.00 chassis and already have a nice motor for it I will use it and make it fit, right or wrong as long as it will hold securely. In either case they hold securely. 

 

I'm not racing, so for me rules do not apply. Now what fits and does not according to what I have and already own is another story. I have other Proslot motors X-12 and Supers and group 20's in other wing chassis (Beuf) that happen to fit with same gearing. I'm not buying a chassis cause it's for a specific group and for a specific motor which I know is your point. I only made the point that if anyone is using a Proslot with a different group motor it will not fit, maybe that was obvious to you but for me it was just an observation I was sharing but you clarified why and no problem.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:49 PM

Proslot C can motor will fit in any chassis designed for a C can

 

I know that. I did not really care that the F chassis is not for a C-Can. Maybe others know this but I'm sure some newbie won't.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:51 PM

The only issue i have is that you claimed it fits perfectly.All I was trying to do is help you and whoever else may read this down the line.There's a difference in fitting perfectly and I made it work ;)


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 06:58 PM

I was about to offer you a older 27 for the cost of postage in order to help you out.But instead I'll continue to use it as a fridge magnet or give it to a kid locally that is willing to listen to those trying to help.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:01 PM

I was about to offer you a older 27 for the cost of postage in order to help you out.But instead I'll continue to use it as a fridge magnet or give it to a kid locally that is willing to listen to those trying to help.

 

No thanks. I don't go for anything used, especially old. Give it to someone else.  :)


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:38 PM

Damn Mario, when I first started reading this thread I thought people were rudely picking on a beginner. It turns out you deserve it. You're the rude one.

 

And Swiss and others are being nice about the fit. That motor is nowhere near fitting like it would in a c-can chassis. Way too big for that chassis.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:40 PM

Wow? I'm rude how? I think what is rude is your your post about being rude, is actually being rude. We are all only talking and sharing info here. And I don't know what you mean by "You deserve it." Deserve what? 


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:42 PM

You should admit
It doesn't fit
Now you should just quit :)
 
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Posted 19 February 2018 - 07:58 PM

Mario is building a track car to just play with and make fast laps. Not a race car. You hardcore racers are taking this way too seriously. 


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Posted 20 February 2018 - 10:57 AM

Mario is building a track car to just play with and make fast laps. Not a race car. You hardcore racers are taking this way too seriously. 

 

Thank you!  :)


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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:41 PM

I'm going to try and explain some things.I'm not posting to beat a dead horse so hopefully you listen.

 

I apologize for the blurry pics but my phone took a swim and the replacement isnt here yet.

 

Here's a pic of  Koford 3 rail 27 with a G-27,Mario if you notice the motor fits between the rails and drops in the motor box.There is a important reason for this that I'll get to in a moment.

 

IMG_20180221_112734.jpg

 

Now since we were talking about the late great Craig Landry,I figured I'd use a Zap chassis for these pics.It's a old Int-15 chassis but the spacing is close enough and you'll see how the can and endbell clear the motor box.IMG_20180221_113240.jpg IMG_20180221_113301.jpg

 

Now here is one of my2mo open chassis's.It's actually wider than the koford and you can see the motor wont fit in the motor box.   IMG_20180221_114620.jpg IMG_20180221_114705.jpg

 

Now when trying to put a C can in a chassis designed for a cobalt motor chances are you're going to have some issues.Because you have to put the motor higher up and guess as to what is square. Chances are you're going to tear through gears and the motor could also short out of the chassis rail and release the magic smoke.I know the gear mesh feels good now but on the track it's going to be a different story,especially after a wall shot ;) Solder is soft and it bends.It might take a few tries but you should be able to get a brace that will keep things square for you.

 

Now if you had said something like it's tight but I think I can make it work.Or anything along those lines instead of "it fits perfect" I would have helped you to make it work.

 

The best thing you can do is to find a piece of Piano wire that is as close to the diameter of the chassis that you can.Then bend it in roughly a 90* so that it buts up against the rail and motor brace.Bent like the red wire below,yes its backwards but I think you get the idea.This way you can solder it in with preferably silver solder and if kept square it will give you a much stronger brace and keep things square so that you dont blast through gears.IMG_20180221_122535.jpg

 

 


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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:45 PM

Thank you Robert for the info, very nice post.  


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Posted 21 February 2018 - 01:07 PM

NP,also dont bother with 72* pitch,keep 64 on the gears.They're more forgiving of misalignment.If you have a motor that'll drop in then go to the 72's later.

 

Last but least get down to run F with those guys.You wont regret it and they've got a really good crew out there that will be a big help :D


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