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[jimht]

 

Well the aeroplane was the solution, it takes 7 hours to fly from New York to London, and there never has been and never will be anything close to a unified world without borders. They were both wrong on all 3 predictions.

 

 

Predictions are subject to change based on reality.

Hindsight is perfect.

Nitpickers are humorless.

[dickytenkids]

I agree brushless motors are exceptional. My concern is the esc and the switching delay that cant be avoided.

the early esc did have 100 millisecond delay built in but this has now been removed ,no one that has tried it can detect any delay 

what classes do you run ?

[Bucky]

Does 100 milliseconds equal 1 tenth of a second?

[Jay Guard]

Yes

[Phil Smith]

 

 

Predictions are subject to change based on reality.

Hindsight is perfect.

Nitpickers are humorless.

 

I just looked at the link you supplied. Several people posted similar posts to mine. I don't know that I was nitpicking. I think more likely I was stating the obvious.

 

https://www.facebook...49892078409202/

[Phil Smith]

the early esc did have 100 millisecond delay built in but this has now been removed ,no one that has tried it can detect any delay 

what classes do you run ?

 

If you would be more involved in the discussions about your project it would help the brushless cause greatly. I don't think anyone here or anywhere else questions your claims.

[bbr]

Richard see a end use (eurosport racing) for brushless and is actively engaged in the process. 

 

Only a few souls here in the USA are playing... but time will tell...

[dickytenkids]

i guess once sorted it will make group 7 racing affordable without changing motors every segment

how many people race grp 7 nowdays

many people are saying that brushless will make top brushed motors worthless and thats why they want to ban them 

[MSwiss]

How things pan out remain to be seen, but in G7 racing, virtually never, are racers changing motors every heat.

In G7, there is OMO and TMO races.(1 and 2 motor), and they have proven to be more popular than the "anything goes", races.

[jimht]

Nitpickers are humorless.

 

 

I just looked at the link you supplied. Several people posted similar posts to mine. I don't know that I was nitpicking. I think more likely I was stating the obvious.

 

https://www.facebook...49892078409202/

[Phil Smith]

 

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A Tale of Two Predictions:

"It is apparent to me that the possibilities of the aeroplane, which two or three years ago were thought to hold the solution to the [flying machine] problem, have been exhausted, and that we must turn elsewhere."

Thomas Edison, 1895

"We shall ride from New York to Europe in a few hours. International boundaries will be largely obliterated and a great step will be made toward the unification and harmonious existence of the various races inhabiting the globe."

Nicola Tesla

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Oh I get it now. Ha ha! Well...actually I still don't find it humorous. So I guess your right.

[jimht]

How things pan out remain to be seen, but in G7 racing, virtually never, are racers changing motors every heat.

In G7, there is OMO and TMO races.(1 and 2 motor)

One motor, two motors, eight motors, the more it looks like "real" racing moneywise and effort wise, the fewer participants there will be.

 

Example: about 20 years ago a guy and his 2 adult sons stopped by to show me their RC drag cars and lamented the fact there was little interest in anyone racing with them any more. Then they proceeded to tell me that the cars cost ~$1500 each (and they didn't just have 3 cars).   

 

I know it's all just expendable income but if one wants to have plenty of players in one's sandbox, one should make playing as affordable as possible.

 

Group 7 used to be the ultimate slot car class: fast, reliable fun where I raced the same c-can motors in several races against a turn-out of 40 to 60 racers in 3 driver classes. It was easy to get people involved in racing by showing them that it was quite possible to go really fast with a  minimum expenditure.

 

In this particular discussion, motors that are potentially cheap, reliable, fast  AND consistent is a win, win, win, win that is almost unbelievable...almost as unbelievable as the conversion over to the sealed motors (which are flawed by their inconsistency for racing but are a superb product for lowering the costs of just playing with slot cars).

[Eddie Fleming]

It's all about the ESC at this point. The motors are a mature product and someone will build them with the proper shaft once the ESC is settled.

 

Slot racers will adopt them and they will change the hobby. How soon that will be I don't know. Until the ESC is available it's all just semi interesting talk.

 

IMHO

[MSwiss]

Jim,
I agree with all the above.(post #62)

Lots of great potential.

My point is there is no reason to make comments like "without changing motors every segement".

That statement is like Elon Musk promoting his car by saying "ditch your 5 mpg SUV's, and buy a Tesla".

PS- I'm not sure cheap, unlimited HP, would resurrect GP7 racing.

The tracks are too fast and G7 cars can't survive normal wrecks.

IOW, I don't think racers have a long time appetite to wad up $150 chassis.

[jimht]

  2nd step...ban beer can chassis unless one is required to drink a beer at the start of each heat..more appeal for the spectators.   

[bbr]

"they want to ban them"

Hmm,,, Lol

[Phil Smith]

I don't think many people want to, and/or have the skill to drive anything as fast as a G7 or GP7 car, at any price. Finding a slower brushless motor suitable for slower classes would probably generate more interest.

[Eddie Fleming]

It's all about the ESC at this point. The motors are a mature product and someone will build them with the proper shaft once the ESC is settled.

 

Slot racers will adopt them and they will change the hobby. How soon that will be I don't know. Until the ESC is available it's all just semi interesting talk.

 

IMHO

Another thought.

 

 More reliable and less expensive makes for less profit for the raceway. Balance that against more participation, and I don't know. 

With G7 it probably makes little difference to the raceway as I would guess little of that stuff goes across a raceway counter anyway. But if the throwaway motors become last for years motors I think that hurts. 

 

I don't know.

[bbr]

Commercial raceways r a dying business model... Club type raceways will probably be the future of our hobby

Almost every manufacturers will sell direct to u these days

[Bags]

The raceway will still sell the consumable parts like tires, gears, braid, bodies…….

[Eddie Fleming]

Commercial raceways r a dying business model... Club type raceways will probably be the future of our hobby

Almost every manufacturers will sell direct to u these days

 

 

The raceway will still sell the consumable parts like tires, gears, braid, bodies…….

Neither statement makes my point less valid. 

[Phil Smith]

Another thought.

 

 More reliable and less expensive makes for less profit for the raceway. Balance that against more participation, and I don't know. 

With G7 it probably makes little difference to the raceway as I would guess little of that stuff goes across a raceway counter anyway. But if the throwaway motors become last for years motors I think that hurts. 

 

I don't know.

 

I was thinking the same thing, but I'm so negative all the time I thought I wouldn't mention it.

 

Tracks have got to sell parts. Can't keep the doors open otherwise.

[Phil Smith]

The raceway will still sell the consumable parts like tires, gears, braid, bodies…….

 

But eliminating motors is one more nail in the coffin.

[MSwiss]

I was thinking the same thing, but I'm so negative all the time I thought I wouldn't mention it.
 
Tracks have got to sell parts. Can't keep the doors open otherwise.

Time to call in "I Cut Out the Raceway Products", to write the ad copy;

[bbr]

these days - everyone' s point of view is valid:

 

 

 

 

raceways can't/don't stock every item, the popular items get sold out fast, to get what u want any manufacture is willing to sell u that item n get the full profits

 

the business model created: manufacture/ distributer/ raceway is dying

 

different times now --- ie/ eg: Amazon