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[Mark Onofri]

It seems the articles on winding armatures are from 2009, 2013. I just purchased a legank armature winder, of course with no instructions. Without getting incredibly technical, and with blatant disregard to what size armature or wire, anyone have copies of the instructions either from lagank, simco, or anyone else?

[Mark Onofri]

For instance, the instructions I have for a legank kit say to wind it clockwise. Well if you're using a winder you would have to turn the winder counterclockwise to wind wire clockwise?
If you're doing a double wind, do you
A) boath at the same time
B) 1 layer at a time
C) inside then outside, or visa virsa

[mreibman]

http://slotblog.net/...ganke-rewinder/

You might also look at http://slotblog.net/...ndingrewinding/

 

in the first thread there's a pic of the instructions. Some of the folks on that thread are still active here on slotblog.

 

John H has taken his online stuff to FB, and does a lot of posting here, https://www.facebook...438086923073404, if that floats your boat.

 

Winding arms is above my tolerance level and/or pay grade.

[Bill from NH]

Mark. the Simco instructions are on here someplace. You should look through John Havlicek's two big rewinding threads on here too. Both have a ton of information in them. If you're a Facebook member, that's his home now & you could directly ask him questions there. I have a Laganke winder from Jim Allen (scratchbuilt.com), but haven't used it yet. Maybe double 30 ga.some day.

 

Look here: Motors & Motor Building - Slotblog

[HarV Wallbanger III]

I have both sets of instructions if you need them PM me

[Pablo]

SIMCO_Motor_Rewind_Instructions.pdf (naste.org)

[Mark Onofri]

Wow! Thanks everyone, I'll vanish off the face of the earth while I absorb all this!
Sure beats collecting stamps lmfao.

[HarV Wallbanger III]

Hey Mark

Now that you have the post above of Simco sheets I will send you the La Ganke if you pM me your # I can text to. I can't post pics on here any longer.

[Mark Onofri]

I tried to pm rego to see what their winder looks like but, evidently they can't use this function. Anyone seen one?

[Bill from NH]

I've seen one. The Windsor was the rental track at Modelvlle back in the 70s. Look through the photos & videos of Buzzie's. The small track with the yellow sidewalls is a Windsor. I don't know if Rick B. (RGEO) owns a Windsor or any other track. He hasn't owned a raceway for a few years.

[Mark Onofri]

Thanks Pablo, the Simko instructions (5pole) are as easy as tying my shoes.

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[Bill from NH]

Mark, you start out with fewer poles & work up to five. Just like starting with Velcro shoes before you wear tie-up ones.

[Mark Onofri]

Thanks Bill. I thought Velcro was only for people who can't mount bodies with pins. There using it on shoes now hu? What will they think of next?

[Mark Onofri]

Probably 7 pole armatures.

[Mark Onofri]

Evidently all armatures are not created equal. The LaGank came with a red (36-D) and a blue (26-D). I thought it was f*"d up when I was having difficulty fitting a arm in the red one. Turned out NOT to be a 36-D but either a ingashi hemi or a Dyno can. Chances are it's a hemi. So I ask you this: did they make holders for these (2) two species of motors and others like Kemtron,Ram, etc.?
BillNH, now about that Velcro .........

[Mark Onofri]

On my old phone I had compiled a list of armature winds. I'm going to have to get someone to retrieve that information. To track down the info again will take me decades maybe light-years. Ok, hours & days. Before I forget or loose it I'll post 2
G12 60/30
G27 **/27
It didn't take long to forget the 27 wind. Was it 27/27 ?
Anyone?
Hopefully with some input I can compile a list so everyone can reference it.
Another thing, with a double wind do you divide the turns by 2? Makes sense. But what about two different wire sizes?
Finally, here is the formula I've had since 74. 1st wire size + 2ond wire size = x devided by 2 = xx -3 = equlivent wire size.
Please feel free to comment , elaborate or, disagree.

[Pablo]

This info came from Zippity so you can thank him:

 

 

C-Can Motors

 

Motor Type: G12

No. of Winds: 50

Wire Gauge: 29 AWG

(29 AWG = 0.0112” - 0.0114” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.350"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.513" 

Magnet Length: 0.500"

 

 

Motor Type: G20

No. of Winds: 37

Wire Gauge: 27 AWG

(27 AWG = 0.0141” - 0.0143” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.440"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.513" 

Magnet Length: 0.500"

 

 

Here's a few more C-Can motors, if you need the info.

 

Motor Type: Outlaw G12

No. of Winds: 50

Wire Gauge: 29 AWG

(29 AWG = 0.0112” - 0.0114” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.350"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.500" 

Magnet Length: 0.500"

 

Motor Type: Cobalt G12 (strap motor)

No. of Winds: 50

Wire Gauge: 29 AWG

(29 AWG = 0.0112” - 0.0114” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.350"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0._ _ _ " 

Magnet Length: 0._ _ _ "

 

Motor Type: G15

No. of Winds: 50

Wire Gauge: 29 AWG

(29 AWG = 0.0112” - 0.0114” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.440"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.513" 

Magnet Length: 0.500"

 

Motor Type: G27 (strap motor)

No. of Winds: 38

Wire Gauge: 27 AWG

(27AWG = 0.0141” - 0.0143” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.440"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0._ _ _" 

Magnet Length: 0._ _ _"

 

Motor Type: Hornet / S. Wasp

No. of Winds: 60

Wire Gauge: 30 AWG

(30AWG = 0.0099 - 0.0101” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.350"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.513" 

Magnet Length: 0.500"

 

Motor Type: Contender

No. of Winds: 55

Wire Gauge: 30 AWG

(30AWG = 0.0099 - 0.0101” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.440"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.513" 

Magnet Length: 0.500"

 

Motor Type: Super 16C

No. of Winds: 55

Wire Gauge: 28 AWG

(28AWG = 0.0125” - 0.0127” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.490"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.513" 

Magnet Length: 0.500"

 

Here are the D-Can Motor Specs...

 

Motor Type: 16 D

No. of Winds: 70

Wire Gauge: 30 AWG

(30AWG = 0.0099 - 0.0101” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.600"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.513" 

Magnet Length: 0.670"

 

Motor Type: S16D

No. of Winds: 60

Wire Gauge: 28 AWG

(28AWG = 0.0125” - 0.0127” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.600"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.520" 

Magnet Length: 0.670"

 

Motor Type: S16D Outlaw

No. of Winds: 60

Wire Gauge: 28 AWG

(28AWG = 0.0125” - 0.0127” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.490"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.520" 

Magnet Length: 0.670"

 

There, that's about all I know.

Oh wait a second, while we are at it and I feel like being helpful, here are some general guide lines for gearing these motors, based on the types of tracks you plan on running at.

 

GEAR RATIOS / some STARTING POINTS, adjust as necessary. 

 

16D 3.1:1 - 4.2:1

S16D 3.5:1 - 4.5:1

Contender 3.7:1 - 4.5:1

Hornet / S. Wasp 4.5:1 - 5.4:1

G15 3.7:1 - 4.5:1

G12 4.6:1 - 5.8:1

G27 (strap older) 4.6:1 - 5.4:1

G27 (strap newer) 5.0:1 - 6.2:1

 

The "TRUE" FINAL DRIVE RATIO formula is:

Spur divided by pinion divided by tire diameter.

[Bill from NH]

Do a Google search on "Armature Wind Specs" & see if you find anything. At one time, Ron Thornton (Zippity) from New Zealand had such a chart he maintained.

[Mark Onofri]

No google, slot blog. LoL. Pablo , thanks. Way better than the list I had(have). Will post some pictures a little later.

[Mark Onofri]

Although,I have some 36-D,26-D,16-D &, 13iud on my list

[Mark Onofri]

This was on the back of some cobra armature wire. Is it a suggestion or, there product?

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[Clyde Romero]

 

This info came from Zippity so you can thank him:

 

 

C-Can Motors

 

Motor Type: G12

No. of Winds: 50

Wire Gauge: 29 AWG

(29 AWG = 0.0112” - 0.0114” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.350"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.513" 

Magnet Length: 0.500"

 

 

Motor Type: G20

No. of Winds: 37

Wire Gauge: 27 AWG

(27 AWG = 0.0141” - 0.0143” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.440"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.513" 

Magnet Length: 0.500"

 

 

Here's a few more C-Can motors, if you need the info.

 

Motor Type: Outlaw G12

No. of Winds: 50

Wire Gauge: 29 AWG

(29 AWG = 0.0112” - 0.0114” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.350"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.500" 

Magnet Length: 0.500"

 

Motor Type: Cobalt G12 (strap motor)

No. of Winds: 50

Wire Gauge: 29 AWG

(29 AWG = 0.0112” - 0.0114” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.350"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0._ _ _ " 

Magnet Length: 0._ _ _ "

 

Motor Type: G15

No. of Winds: 50

Wire Gauge: 29 AWG

(29 AWG = 0.0112” - 0.0114” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.440"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.513" 

Magnet Length: 0.500"

 

Motor Type: G27 (strap motor)

No. of Winds: 38

Wire Gauge: 27 AWG

(27AWG = 0.0141” - 0.0143” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.440"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0._ _ _" 

Magnet Length: 0._ _ _"

 

Motor Type: Hornet / S. Wasp

No. of Winds: 60

Wire Gauge: 30 AWG

(30AWG = 0.0099 - 0.0101” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.350"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.513" 

Magnet Length: 0.500"

 

Motor Type: Contender

No. of Winds: 55

Wire Gauge: 30 AWG

(30AWG = 0.0099 - 0.0101” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.440"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.513" 

Magnet Length: 0.500"

 

Motor Type: Super 16C

No. of Winds: 55

Wire Gauge: 28 AWG

(28AWG = 0.0125” - 0.0127” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.490"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.513" 

Magnet Length: 0.500"

 

Here are the D-Can Motor Specs...

 

Motor Type: 16 D

No. of Winds: 70

Wire Gauge: 30 AWG

(30AWG = 0.0099 - 0.0101” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.600"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.513" 

Magnet Length: 0.670"

 

Motor Type: S16D

No. of Winds: 60

Wire Gauge: 28 AWG

(28AWG = 0.0125” - 0.0127” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.600"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.520" 

Magnet Length: 0.670"

 

Motor Type: S16D Outlaw

No. of Winds: 60

Wire Gauge: 28 AWG

(28AWG = 0.0125” - 0.0127” dia.)

Min. Stack Length: 0.490"

Min. Stack Diameter: 0.520" 

Magnet Length: 0.670"

 

There, that's about all I know.

Oh wait a second, while we are at it and I feel like being helpful, here are some general guide lines for gearing these motors, based on the types of tracks you plan on running at.

 

GEAR RATIOS / some STARTING POINTS, adjust as necessary. 

 

16D 3.1:1 - 4.2:1

S16D 3.5:1 - 4.5:1

Contender 3.7:1 - 4.5:1

Hornet / S. Wasp 4.5:1 - 5.4:1

G15 3.7:1 - 4.5:1

G12 4.6:1 - 5.8:1

G27 (strap older) 4.6:1 - 5.4:1

G27 (strap newer) 5.0:1 - 6.2:1

 

The "TRUE" FINAL DRIVE RATIO formula is:

Spur divided by pinion divided by tire diameter.

 

that's history there!

[Mark Onofri]

Anyone have ncc22,40 t/g ?
Is there a minimum/ maximum for G-7 Armature length and diameter ?
For the answer to these and other questions , tune in tomorrow when we'll hear BillNH say:

[Bill from NH]

Group 7 & 1/24 eurosports run open class arms with no restrictons regarding length or diameter. It's obvious that not all lengths & diameters run as well as some others.

 

NCC22 has the same specs as NCC20. The 22s are hand wound, the 20s are machine wound.

 

Grp. 40 was an obtuse class that never caught on. I never had one or knew the specs. Some place on here is a thread on Grp. 40. Maybe it has the specs. Search on "Group 40 arms" or "Camen Group 40 arms." 

[Mark Onofri]

Ok G-40 is #26 I'll find out how many turns. I know it's in here somewhere !