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[MSwiss]

I threw together a fairly simple chassis as a "test mule" to try the various D3 motors. I really dig the existing Red Fox F1 cars we've been racing for the last couple of yrs. so of course, I went ahead and made it a F1.
I'll start testing Monday or Tuesday and make a motor decision by the end of next week.
Hopefully I will have received the TSR motors from Dokk by then.

[MSwiss]

I did extensive testing the last three days and have come up with the motor decision for the Sano.
Despite the JK FVII and the two versions of the Pro Slot specing out wildly different, they ran basically
the same. Despite the FVII metering quite a bit lower and having some sort of rare earth magnets, the Pro Slot ran within a half a tenth of the FVII on the flat track and was actually about a half a tenth faster on the King.
With that in mind the following motors will be legal:
Falcon's V & VII
TSR motor(assuming adequate availability)
Pro Slot Mini w/Chinese arm(#4002)
Pro Slot Mini w/Puppy Dog American arm(#4002B)
Pro Slot Mini #4002B reconditioned by Fast Ones
Racers can install the P/S Puppy Dog arm(#4009) in their #4002 or #4002B, seals will not be required.
The P/S Big Dog arm is NOT allowed.
Up to 4 can screws can be installed in the P/S motor to facilitate reassembly.
Premium brushes (Gold Dust/SBF II) may be installed in the P/S motor.
Champion "Red" springs may be installed in the P/S motor.
Stock magnets & stock magnet location must be retained in the P/S motor.
Interchanging of parts from different motor companies and any "aftermarket" parts NOT mentioned above is not allowed.
I've yet to receive the TSR motor to test but assuming it is just a FVII that runs the other way;
it will be legal assuming at least 50 pcs. are available to the general public at the race.

[Ron Hershman]

Stock springs and magnet location must be retained in the P/S motor.

So, just to be sure... P-S/Champion/Parma RED 3-coil springs are NOT legal?? Only the SILVER-colored P-S Mini Motor springs are ONLY allowed???

And just to be even clearer... NO Interchanging of motor parts between the different brands. Correct???

[MSwiss]

Ron,
I've talked to Noose and he's informed me you've installed the Red springs on some of the refurbished motors
you have done for the East Coast. I don't see them as a big deal one way or another so I'll allow them and edit
my post accordingly. While the omission of: "any combination of" to the line "the following motors will be legal:"
should be enough for 99.999% of the racers to realize interchanging of parts is not allowed,
I'll go ahead and cater to your pedanticalness and also include that in the post.
Racers, including yourself, will have to exercise a bit of common sense at the Sano.
If it doesn't seem or feel right,assume you can't do it.
I.E. While there is nothing in the East Coast rules specifically prohibiting smashing the other seven cars during lane change with a sledge hammer, go ahead and assume I won't allow it or anything like it.

[Pappy]

Damn! There goes any chance I might have had to win.

[Noose]

OK... you can still smash Hershman. We'll call it a break-out rule.

[Ron Hershman]

Well gee... thanks Mike for posting the clarifications I asked about.

While I have your agitated attention, I have a some more...

Race Format... are we going to be racing A,B,C, style. Will the winner from the C move up to the B and the winner of the B move up to the A? The West coast has been doing this and the East coast just started this... well at least I think that's what I have been reading in the past race reports. The East coast rules aren't clear on their A,B,C format.

Will the heat time be 3 minutes???

[Noose]

Ron, we've experimented over the last few months. Under our new rules, the format is defined depending on how many show up. We qualify, then if over 11 in the given class (A or B ), there are sit outs for the main, with guys moving up from semi, etc. If under 11 per class, we do a round robin.

[MSwiss]

Race Format....... are we going to be racing A,B,C, style. Will the winner from the C move up to the B and the winner of the B move up to the A? The West coast has been doing this and the East coast just started this... well at least I think that's what I have been reading in the past race reports. The East coast rules aren't clear on their A,B,C format.

Will the heat time be 3 minutes???

Ahhh, legimate questions. My favorite kind.
In one of the Sano threads it's been stated it will be an A,B,C, etc. format with seeding in a USRA type serpentine fashion.
With 24 racers:
A Main-qualifiers #1,6,7,12,13,18,19,24
B Main-qualifiers #2,5,8,11,14,17,20,23
C-Main-qualifiers #3,4,9,10,15,16,21,22
Winners of individual events will be based on overall lap totals (which should be fairly even with the mixed talent/speed pool).
The only "move-ups" will be the cumulative 8 best finishers from the 4 (or 5) individual events who will race in the final
"Shootout" (Can-Am cars/flat track/esses)

Up to D mains (36 racers) we'll run 3 minute heats. If we creep up to an "E"/5 mains,we may have to scale down to 2 minute heats.

[scooooter7]

Great discussion guys, keep it up. Sounds like this is gonna be one "sano" event.

[Ron Hershman]

So it will be over all lap totals from the "A, B, C, and on mains" for the overall finish in each class/race??? I understand the part of the top 8 only making the final shootout race.

[MSwiss]

Yes (I added "overall" to my post which was needed to make it more clear). It will be ISRA or USRA Eurosport style.

[Ron Hershman]

Cool and thanks... now if we could convince you to do "Retro Qualifying" by total laps and sections/feet. You can still have a fastest lap award, but qualifying by laps (like they did in the old days) separates the drivers from the one-lap wonders. LOL.

[Tex]

I get the feeling that Mike is gonna hear from Ron right up to, through, and even AFTER the race!

[Ron Hershman]

Naw... I just had a few questions and Mike was kind enough to get them settled. The qualifying by laps thing would be cool to do for a class or two... just a suggestion.

I'll be quiet once I get started building cars. LOL.