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[Noose]

My Taco Bell Sunday night dinner special was no more expensive than in Josiey.

It's simple to figure out why that was the number to be charged. Take 20 racers at $30 an hour and you have $1800 - the equivalent of 3 plus birthday parties not held.

[Eastern Assassin]

No coffee, no donuts, $30 pit pass, no lunch, KFC that doesn`t open till 11 ( no coffee), pizza upstairs that closed on a Sunday?, Chinese that gave me enough gas to last the week!, still GREAT bunch of guys and good day of racing!!! Makes me wonder if Lou really wanted us there? Looking forward to Sonny`s !!

[NJ Racer]

I dare ask what the cut was out of the entry fee for both races

[Matt Bruce]

Keith don`t take it personally. We all adjusted to the conditions. For myself, I raised both my cars another .015 to equal a .055 to .060 braid depth that morning and had no problems at all punching the bank on every lane in both classes. However, in doing so I chose the best of two evils as that change made driving into the deadman with its worn out lanes, esp. green very tricky. I grew up racing high powered, low downforce cars on a extremely querky and bumpy track, so the current state of the Nuvolari track was a plus for myself. I bought 15 min on yellow for practice and Tony let me run on his lane when he was making changes to his cars. 30 bucks for a pit pass is a joke given the conditions, and to find that out race morning screamed goudging for me. I refuse to pay that kind of money. Let Elmsford rot as a birthday track, cause its pretty obvious to me that money spent never makes it to track upkeep. The fact that so much destruction at one race, and the endless yelling of "TRACK" or "RIDER" in our ears over the course of 13 hours on a sunday for only two classes of cars proves we should have raced chainsaws on it instead. If the track was fixed in a few areas the need to charge so much would be mute as our time there would have at least been cut in half. Fix the OBVIOUS problems, so racing at one of slot racings hallowed grounds will become a welcome venue for Retro East and all of slot racing, as it should be.

[trailerkeith]

Keith don`t take it personally. We all adjusted to the conditions. For myself, I raised both my cars another .015 to equal a .055 to .060 braid depth that morning and had no problems at all punching the bank on every lane in both classes. However, in doing so I chose the best of two evils as that change made driving into the deadman with its worn out lanes, esp. green very tricky. I grew up racing high powered, low downforce cars on a extremely querky and bumpy track, so the current state of the Nuvolari track was a plus for myself. I bought 15 min on yellow for practice and Tony let me run on his lane when he was making changes to his cars. 30 bucks for a pit pass is a joke given the conditions, and to find that out race morning screamed goudging for me. I refuse to pay that kind of money. Let Elmsford rot as a birthday track, cause its pretty obvious to me that money spent never makes it to track upkeep. The fact that so much destruction at one race, and the endless yelling of "TRACK" or "RIDER" in our ears over the course of 13 hours on a sunday for only two classes of cars proves we should have raced chainsaws on it instead. If the track was fixed in a few areas the need to charge so much would be mute as our time there would have at least been cut in half. Fix the OBVIOUS problems, so racing at one of slot racings hallowed grounds will become a welcome venue for Retro East and all of slot racing, as it should be.

I couldn't agree more with you there!
I am upset with me for pushing for an event there and them not once but twice having more than one issue running an event there. I am upset to the level of damage to fellow racers cars. I am upset that a place I have known for years has had it's day a long time ago...
The 30 for the pass and the shape of the track is something I am personally going to take to the powers that be there myself.

[tonyp]

Matt,

Glad to help you out race morning. I had a lot of free time on my lane because my good racer was destroyed while Noose was trying to figure out if we could do something about the deadman in green, it popped out and landed right in Jay's lane and got walled before I could utter a word. My practice car was no where up to the task even after I thrashed on it while trying to get a car together for the F1 race. I should have just saved the entry fee and sat it out. I would up not having a car for either class after the F1 race was moved. If I drove up myself I would have left... It was the least fun day I have had since I started racing again.

[Noose]

I dare ask what the cut was out of the entry fee for both races

As with all Retro East races, the raceway gets 2/3rds the entry fee for the 1st race and 1/2 of the second. The blanace of the money goes into the Retro East pool to pay for all of the stuff at the end of the series and some things along the way.

[matt@FridayNightRacer.com]

Thanks everyone for making us feel welcome at out first retro race. You are a bunch of good guys. Thanks especially to Dustin for helping us out in the GTC race. Isaac bought the the parts for his car and pushed me to get it together in time for this race, see http://www.fridaynig...tro_chassis.htm for my diatribe. I'm so happy he did not come in dead last - like I almost did.

Thanks to Ian Karr for painting a nice body. Thanks also to Paul for building tips and getting a car for me to race.

I put photos we took up on my website, see http://www.fridaynig...st_09-01-25.htm. Isaac took two videos, see for GTC and for F1 (make sure to select 'view in High Quality' at the bottom right of the image to get the best image).

The track is what it is. There are certainally some places where the lanes could be better and the braids are not flat. I guess we should travel more to try out the pristine tracks.

Elmsford does have weekly series. Isaac races in the junior Friday Night Races - mostly wing cars with blueprinted S16D's (he want's to use his GTC this week). They get a good turnout for Drag Racing. Paul re-started the Thursday night series for GT cars, the points series started Jan 8. He wants to get a retro series going. BTW, the other tracks were filled with rentals Sunday, there were no birthday parties - they would have used the tables.

[Noose]

Great stuff Matt! Thanks for joining us and Isaac is great kid! He did great in his first race and will surely be one to contend with in the future. Keep an eye out on the Retro East schedule for the races coming up. Hope to see you and Isaac again!

[JerseyJohn]

It was great racing You and Isaac. He is a great kid and loads of fun. I even tried to bribe him so I could come in second. He wouldn't bite LOL

[Larry Mattingly]

Hey Jersey...

You never offered me any bribes...

Depends what you are offering...

LM

[NJ Racer]

As with all Retro East races, the raceway gets 2/3rds the entry fee for the 1st race and 1/2 of the second. The blanace of the money goes into the Retro East pool to pay for all of the stuff at the end of the series and some things along the way.

For the future we must set a standard for the cost of a Pit Pass and publish it in the race schedule. We must use raceways such as Chicagoland, Keystone and/or Dom's to set the standard. This is only fair to the racers, and shame on Elmsford for imposing such an unannounced surprise fee to our racers.

[tonyp]

Maybe use a formula.

If they open at 8 and we tech at 10, that gives 1.5 hours of usable track time. You got to figure not everyone (ray) is there when they open.

The Pit pass has to be less than buying 90 minutes of track time.

Whatever the practice time in the morning is deduct 1/2 hour and base it on that.

If we run a later in the day race we will worry about it then.

[Noose]

I obtain the Pit Pass cost from the raceway and post them. They lied to us. Period.

[JerseyJohn]

Hey Jersey...

You never offered me any bribes...

Depends what you are offering...

LM

Name your price LOL

[tonyp]

Mark Agreed! Its when you have to pay more for just time than you can actually get to use that sucks. You provide more extras like doms does and the pit pass should reflect that.

[JerseyJohn]

Some of us are just trying to make racing as convienent & enjoyable as possible.

I consider it part of my job. problem is, it all has to get paid for as well.


We had a conversation last night here at the raceway about pit pass, costs ect. My comment was that I could actually see a $30.00 pit pass being worth paying, if it was truely worth it. Man I got some funny looks Truth is I got a first hand veiw of operating a raceway and costs involved.

Could you imagine going to elmsford with brand new gerding built replica's of the current tracks, Hot Coffee, Fresh Donuts(Chocolate covered!) A catered buffet lunch that go's above and beyond! I don't know about you guys,but i'm salivating!

Everything costs.

NOW that would be worth $30!!!!!!!!

[tonyp]

Dream on!

[tonyp]

You forgot 1000.00 in wrecked cars for that wonderful day of fun. LOL...

[tonyp]

The dream track would be worth a 30.00 pit pass.

[slotcarone]

You forgot 1000.00 in wrecked cars for that wonderful day of fun. LOL...

And that was just the damage to your cars---what about everyone else!!!