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[Pappy]

Maybe a good compromise might be, remove the kits from Can am,GTC & F-1, Clarify chassis requirements. put the kits together in a spec kit class,instead of having the exclusive JK spec class.

Mark, I proposed the same thing to the board two days ago. This was Hershman's idea way back when the JK kit first came out. Start a chassis kit class with the Warmack, JK and any other kit that came out and met the kit rules. The board didn't want anything to do with it.

[TNTTires]

Just ban all kits and you are back where you want to be. "JUST SAY NO"

[tonyp]

Bingo!

[Noose]

OK but say I sell all the parts..pans, axle tubes, drop arm/guide tongue piece, in a package and don't call it a kit. Maybe I have K&S make up the bags of the stuff. It's not a kit. It's a chassis parts bag. You could make one chassis out it or you could take it and use the parts on several chassis. Maybe I'll throw in some piano wire and brass tubing. No instructions. Nope you are on your own. Sell it on the K&S rack.

Stop the insanity. The pre-allowed kits were good for the growth of this aspect of the hobby because they still required scratchbuilding. You couldn't just snap/key them together.

"RETRO is a Scratch builders class, it is not for everyone, it is not designed to save slot car racing, it is not about modern technology, it is a scratch builders class."

[Howie Ursaner]

The only reason there have been so many entries at these Retro races is that the Warmack and JK kits have made it so simple to have a great car that can actually win races.If they were not allowed than the same few people would be racing each other and half of them would be buying their scratchbuilt chassis.
Its all a matter of maintaining balance.These kits lend themselves to modification and design improvements that can be rewarding, and scratchbuilt frames seem to be run about the same lap times.

When i first saw the S7 i realized that this was a game changer and i thought that it would be a must have. The other kits are different and should be dealt with differently.I think that keeping things working is in the discretion of the people in charge.

I always like to tune in to Slotblog and see what the lastest drama is.It's FUN

[Noose]

So who would want a new shirt that reads?

"We were there
We know
It ain't Retro"

Send all orders to Retro-R-Us

[TSR]

Some want anyone and everyone to be able to put a car together, regardless of their building skills. Not everyone shares that opinion.

Everyone is free to do whatever they want, and no one ever pretended that retro racing, that DOES involve building your own car as its basic philiosophy in the style of mid-1960's machinery, is for everyone.
In other words, if you want to join the fun, it might be wise to learn from the very willing free teachers out there, how to do it. And it is certainly not rocket science.

It is regretable that those 28 years of lazy-picking ready-to-race Flexi chassis over the counter have so damaged the ability of so many dedicated slot racers to build their own chassis using basic materials and solder.

When we began D3 in California in May 2006, it was specifically for the purpose of BUILDING vintage-style chassis and enjoying racing them. At the same time, some newcomers and younger people simply could not build, and acquired chassis or cars from others who could. Some took the time to learn and after a while, built their own. Others still purchase what they need to this day. But MOST are slowly learning things they never knew before, things that Flexi racing never taught them.

[Pappy]

Why don't we just make a Spec class for "each" different chassis kit like we did for the JK kit?

[jimht]

Just keep in mind that the thing that makes this work for beginners & retrogrades alike is the motor restrictions.
Not having to spend hours & bucks looking for more horsepower means much more time for chassis building.
Define a chassis or kit however you want...but even building the Slick 7 would be way more fun & slotcarly educational than wasting time with motors.
Thanks, Todd

[gascarnut]

When we began D3 in California in May 2006,

For the sake of correctness and completeness, D3 began in January of 2007.

What came before that in SoCal was not called D3.

The CanAm class was called either "Nostalgia CanAm" or "Retro CanAm" depending on which version of the rules you look at.

The F1 class was based on what had been called "Vintage Spirit F1" by the Vintage Hardbody NASCAR guys who had been running them before the CanAm racing started up.

The first set of formal rules for CanAm are titled "Rules for "Retro" CanAm class racing", dated 7/31/2006. This initial set of rules was arranged in a table format that was re-written on 8/1/2006 into a no-tables format that formed the basis of the first web-published set of rules.

The second version is titled "Rules for 1/24 Nostalgia Can-Am class racing" and dated 9/3/2006.

[John Streisguth]

PDL:
Exactly my thoughts, although if you can build a decent car for any of the USRA classes, it shouldn't be that much of a leap to build a chassis from scratch. You just may have to build more than one to get the hang of it. Back in "the day" it would be months before you could see what everyone else was doing, and most probably weren't too keen on sharing there latest ideas. With the internet, and specifically slotblog, you see what the latest winning chassis are sometimes in a matter of hours. And everyone seems to be more than happy to share ideas and give helpful tips.

As they say, this too shall pass. But the subject obviously needed to be discussed, judging by the number of posts here.

[TSR]

When we began D3 in California in May 2006...

For the sake of correctness and completeness, D3 began in January of 2007.

Indeed, I was merely speaking of the date of the actual first race, in mid-May 2006. There were actually EIGHT monthly races before the official name of "D3" was used for the new series from January 2007, but it remains that we are talking of the same animal here.

Exactly my thoughts, although if you can build a decent car for any of the USRA classes, it shouldn't be that much of a leap to build a chassis from scratch.

Exactly!
And indeed, today everyone is pretty much open to share their ideas, so it is not that difficult to see what works, so as not to waste any time.

[slotcarone]

One of the neat things about Retro racing is when you look at the chassis pictures from the race reports there is still no particular style of chassis that is standing out as having a distinct advantage. Many different chassis styles are turning TQ times and winning races even after almost 3 years of Retro.

[Rick]

There is one thing that may be being overlooked. When 99% of the racers read a rule or rulebook, they are aware of not only the rule but the intent. e.g. three sided motor bracket, most picure in their mind, immediately what is "intended" but you will always have that 1%er that will draw outside the lines. Same thing with the chassis kits, Warmack and JK knew the intent of the part(s) they offered and there were no problems. Nuf said.

The nice thing about club racing, they don't have to let anything in that they feel is outside of their intent of their rules. If they say tomorrow, we all have to run O/S Lola's painted dark grey, so be it. Comply or don't race.

99% grasp the intent, the 1% will have to watch from the outside..............

[Noose]

It's that 1% that are making the rest of my hair fall out.

[Dave Reed]

[Dave Reed]

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[TSR]

Dave,
Is there anything wrong with your I-pod?

[68Caddy]

What ever, I will buy one and play with it, even if nobody wants
to race with me?
It looks like a lot of fun to me, does it look like a D3 no, but so what I still will have fun with it.

Nesta

[TSR]

I think Dave is a student of Larry Mattingly.

[Dave Reed]

It is really very simple...You can agree with whoever you want... You can try to influence the BOD with post after post... You can kiss up to whoever you want... BUT, you are still just a single voice... Leave the rules to the PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!.. That is the IRRA BOD OR D3 LEADERS IF YOU DON'T KNOW!