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#26 Jairus

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 08:57 PM

Update:
Went to practice today. Modifications to the car are as follows, if anyone cares. I only report because I received three PM responses to this thread giving me a lot of great tips and information. So felt an update might be well received.

Modifications to the previous race car:
New Pro Slot "Big Dog" motor with can bearing replaced with a ball race. Shuntwires added.
Champion aluminum rattle pan replaces the steel pan plus new pin tubes.
Lost the front wheels and front axle.
New low low low wing car body in fluorescent yellow so even my blind eyes can see it.

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Results were a much better lap time of 4.8 right out of the box. Still need to mess with the guide and put on a new set of the tires. The tires I ran have been used twice before so they were pretty chewed up but I pushed it hard anyway even with a bit of chattering but still ran GREAT! Very quick and handled all turns like it was on rails.

A new set of tires and I am READY for the next race.

Built another car for my son Ken. Used a cheap eBay buildup Champion that already had all the right parts already except replaced the motor with the little "Big Dog" Pro Slot. His needed a good going through to make sure everything was flat, clean, and straight first. He managed a 4.4 within a couple minutes of running! (Darned whippersnappers have better reaction times than I do.) And that was running a 1/8" axle and my old vintage body from last race! We are both running 3.1 to 1 ratio as opposed to what the track guy suggested everyone else was running... which was 3.8 to 1.
I never had a problem getting to max speed with the higher ratio so I am staying! Mark, track manager and tech inspector passed his blessing on the little Pro Slot motor.. (WHEW! Thanks, Mark)

Jeremy hadn't had the time to spend working on his car so he still had the steel pans and lower gear ratio... but went home with some extra bits and will be ready for race day in four weeks. By that time both of them will have new Outisight bodies! No fish'n chips and beer this trip as we were short on time.

Sad news... for anyone who watched the YouTube video above... the tall racer, Kim Summers, passed away last Monday. So come race day, even with Ken racing, we will still only have six entries. It will be somber not having Kim's very funny dry humor and ready wit to keep us entertained. Kim will be missed by all the racers of Depoe Bay Raceway!

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 10:00 PM

Car looks good.

Sorry to hear about Kim.

Thanks for posting
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 10:06 PM

Jarius,

I'm sorry about your friend Kim. I'm sure his family and friends will miss him. :angel:

This very cool for you and your son, that the two of you are going racing. :victory: I have to disagree with you though, :acute: racing "FLEX-I" style cars is NOT STUPID :scratch_one-s_head: It's a very good starting point for your son and yourself to hang out with each other and understand the "HOBBY" of slot car racing. :dash2: I welcome your race reports on your day of racing. :victory:

If I may... In your picture of your ride, you have the spur gear on backwards. :shok: The gear hub ALWAYS goes towards the tire. :wink3:

Have fun racing. :yahoo:
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 11:09 PM

Thank you, Dave.

I know one thing about gears... they go round and round the same direction with no regard. However, I got this one worked in in that position because I needed the clearance in the prior race due to the larger Parma 16D motor. It barely fit even with a tiny, tiny little notch in the magnet. Now with the little Pro Slot motor I have 1/16 of an inch.

But swapping the gear to get the motor closer means the gear mesh might not the same. Reasons are that because of the Champion chassis has a thickness to it so the motor shaft sits slightly higher than the axle shaft. Right now the gear mesh is so quiet you can play Bach while driving and still hear the violins.

But... if you still think it will make the car quicker, handle better or my reactions faster... I will make the change... :D

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 11:29 PM

Jairus,

I'm glad that you are doing the racer aspect of slots, and all I can say is welcome to scene of racing, it's great. ;)
Love it more than doing my little cars, the people they give me more love this way and I'm getting used to being a fool. :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

There are builders and there are racers - which way to go? :blink: I pick racing: more fun and you hear a lot of great stories.

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 11:38 PM

Hey Jarius...

I'll trade ya some Flexi tips for some painting tips :laugh2: ... I've heard several reasons for why you should have the gear the way Vitter told you which is how most of us run it... but here are the two major reasons... I'm sure others will add other reasons:

1. much better gear mesh.
2. the tilt of the motor has a direct effect on how the car handles... (moving the gearing in and the motor back "should" make it handle much better).

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 11:39 PM

:D It couldn't hurt to change the spur gear around and while you're at it I would suggest putting on a smaller pinion - these PS motors like to rev and you will be faster for sure and have better control of the car with the motor spinning faster anyway.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 12:04 AM

Okay, okay, I'll change the gear around the other way!
Thank you all for the PMs and help.
Love the center punch idea!
Thanks for the info on front clearance.
Thanks for the info on taping the rear spoiler.

My son graduated from college few weeks ago with degrees in business and graphic design. He's been looking for work in that time and has been a bit... well, shall we say, quiet and reserved of late. I felt that getting his mind off paying back loans with slot racing would help.
I think is has! :)
At any rate, I want to thank you all for your interest. Updates as they happen along with pictures of the race and a full report.

However, this is just for fun. I don't want to "take anyone to the woodshed" here. I just want to participate in a program and learn about set up so that the rest of the cars I build will actually perform on the track as advertised. You know?

Got some bodies coming from Hershman so Ken and Jeremy get proper Wing cars. The third body is a tribute to Kim... more on that later.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 05:53 PM

:D It couldn't hurt to change the spur gear around and while you're at it I would suggest putting on a smaller pinion---these PS motors like to rev and you will be faster for sure and have better control of the car with the motor spinning faster anyway.

LIKE YEAH... :shok: ... I started at 9/27... no brakes and ran hot... 8/27 got more punch and a little brakes... tried a 29 Looking better... 7/29 WOW got lotsa straight speed and good brake and can now touch it... :D

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:26 PM

:D Now you're getting the idea!!!

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 08:20 PM

Just got back from the track.
Flopped the ring gear and changed the pinion to a 10 so the ratio is now 3.7 to 1. Brakes are great and performance seemed the same as before but motor stays a bunch cooler now. Tires are not getting as tore up either so I think things are starting to get sorted out. A few ideas were given to me via PM and so I will not share those here but all were effective in making the car handle like it was on rails!!! Didn't really improve my lap times but my confidence level rose a bunch and I know that now I can push the car a little more.

Oh, and I stayed on the black lane the whole time because that is the most difficult to practice with.

Here is a picture of the whole track.

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 08:39 PM

Look out, Jairus; you may fall into the same trap we ALL did... think we actually KNOW something about slot car handling! :laugh2:

That's OK; that's what makes it fun and keeps us coming back.
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Posted 12 June 2009 - 10:58 PM

Jairus,

At least you are turning laps. :laugh2: Way too much fun? ;)

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 05:41 AM

Nice little raceway... kind of an Engle-Klimber... even lanes... looks lots better than I have available in Charlotte...

But an original American Orange would be lots better... and require fewer turn marshals!!!
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Posted 13 June 2009 - 12:09 PM

Print Cheater's Turbo Flex Tome from the tech section. Study the Tome till you think you understand it, then try the different things till you do understand it.

After twelve test and race sessions you'll find you didn't know anything about Flexi chassis. With a Wing or GTP body and a well-setup chassis, most of the corners on the pictured track should be punched or at least just a blip "somewhere" before the corner.

I watched a National Champion straighten and align people's Flexi chassis for months. With just a quick glance and bending by hand, never removing the body, he would usually cut their lap times by half a second. For a fee this person would carry their car home and perform the things listed in the Tome, just bring the car up to what a Flexi should be. Using the exact same parts and adjusting the guide and front wheels at the track, the car was usually 1 to 1.5 seconds faster and VERY MUCH easier to drive.

Also, after being in the hands of the original owner for a couple of races, the cars would lose it's speed and handling. A racer has to know what he's doing.
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Posted 15 June 2009 - 12:33 PM

This is Mark from the Depoe Bay Raceway.

I wanted to stop in and clarify some things about our place. We have been up and running for the past five years. The owners do not have plans of closing any time soon. They don't need to.

Our little place started out with ideas that the local people would want to come and have fun and support a racing program. We were wrong about that.

Unfortunately, we only have a core of three racers locally (sadly one of the racers left us early in life to go to the other side), sometimes four from someone coming from Eastern Oregon (once in a six month stretch)

Our racing program involves four classes run in rotation every other Friday night: Flexi Wing, Flexi NASCAR, GTP, and JK Super Truck. Once in a while we all do a Group 12 race.

I was told recently that if we couldn't get more people involved in our race program, then we just might have to shut that part down since it takes up the one track availability to the public. Try as I might, I cannot get the locals around here to get involved. I think they would rather be at the bar or something. I must have sold a hundred Flexi chassis to people around here in the past five years. They buy, run 15 mins on the track and are never to be seen again. I have no idea why or where they went. We used to get the guys from Portland to come and race with us, but since the closure of the Vancouver, WA, track, all have disappeared.

So, what we do have is a tourist entertainment center, renting cars and track time, miniature golf, and a small arcade for the kids and adults to play. Our busy times are in the summer and our dead times are in the winter. Just the opposite from most the other track owners I have talked to.

Now to Jairus...

We have a program called Autotrak that runs the track time and race program. When you lost that one lap, it was noticed and I added a lap to you and subtracted a lap to, I believe, Carrie's track. The one heat you missed due to being on the wrong track... realistically other tracks would have said, sorry. :) But I have found that by doing an average of the next two heats and adding that average gives a pretty close indication of what you actually did. What I won't do, though, is move someone into first place using that method.

When we started our race program, we all decided to base the rules of set-up against experience. So we started out with Flexi cars with Parma S16s. When the racers got good enough with those, we moved to Pro Slot SpeedFX motors. Now we have the Pro Slot Outlaw American arms. All our racers (now just three) know that if we get new people involved in the races seriously, we will start following a more stringent rulebook. Mostly we would probably get the new guy up to our speed instead of the other way around... but that needs to be discussed when we actually do get more people.

Most of the time, I am the only corner marshall. I witnessed a race where they use the track call system. It took twice as long because everyone was busy calling track. Crashing and pausing track just doesn't get the good driver anywhere fast. It also teaches them to watch all lanes instead of coming around and just hammering the next guy into the wall. I think you just need to learn to drive the track with minimal desloting. We still have our nights of wrecks though, the one posted on YouTube is a witness of that. We have paused our track a couple times due to a huge pile up, but most of the time a track call isn't necessary since our guys do fairly well.

We don't do much tech since I know these guys and what they have in the box. All I really need to do is look at the tires to see if they have enough to finish the race. I think I have a good eye to visually tech a Flexi chassis within rulebook tolerance.
We don't do ceremonies because the guys just want to get their practice in and race. Only one guy, Jim, actually paints his body so concours judging would be a waste of time.

Most just want to buy off the wall, put on a body and motor, adjust a couple things, and go. Hence we don't have the interest in building Hardbody NASCARs like the OSCAR group or Retros like your group. I'd do it if it was agreeable with all, but majority rules here.

We all discussed whether or not to do awards or just a cash back type of race prize. All our racers chose the cash. :)

The guys leave pretty quick after the race because they have other things they need to do before it gets too late. Most want to be gone by 8:30 PM. Jimmy stays later sometimes and once you get to know him, he will be a little more open with what is in his box. He may even offer to zap your magnets or true your arms for free. He even builds the slot boxes (best I have ever seen anywhere) at a really incredibly cheap price. He is a cabinet maker by trade, and he is good at it.

Anyway, these are the reasons our racing is different than most other tracks. If we had the client base, such as being located in Salem or Portland, things would probably be different.

The other thing I wanted to mention was, it doesn't matter if they are standing up or sitting down. Its how many laps you got at the end of the race. I'd put our little Carrie up against any of you standing up. :)

We aren't "hicks" here. We are just a small group that likes to have fun and race without all the foo-foo.

Everyone is welcome here, and if you have a special group of cars you want to race, just get in touch and I'll set up a race for it. Nothing here is chiseled in stone.

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 12:42 PM

Welcome to Slotblog, Mark!

Hope I didn't say anything that was offensive and I agree with you about Carrie! She is one HECK of a driver. :)

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 12:48 PM

Hey Mark,

Are there any street fairs near you? That is a perfect time to promote the raceway and hobby... Are there movie theaters near you? Usually they have a table where you can put business cards... put the raceway's business cards there.... Do you do special things like free half a hour on your business card? How about once a week or month 10% off tires, or bodies?

If there is a 1:1 racetrack near you, find a driver that is willing to park his race car infront of the raceway for a weekend in the "off season" to attract new customers. Perhaps go one step further and have the driver do an autograph session on a Saturday from 12-3 or something. Or do you have someone who drivess a hot rod like a '32 Willys or really NICE sports car? i.e a 1970 Camaro, Chevelle, or Mustang.

Yesturday my friend parked his hot rod in front of the raceway I work at, and you wouldn't believe how many people looked at the raceway and some even came in.

Just a few ideas... you always have to think outside the box with promoting the hobby!

Call up your local church and ask if they would like to do a church outing at the raceway. I'm almost sure they'd be interested.

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 01:05 PM

Mark C.,

We have an open invitation with the Ferrari and Corvette clubs here, but they haven't shown any interest for whatever reason. The Ferrari and Lamborghini group had made a reservation a couple years ago six months in advance and waited till the day to cancel. :( We also have a car show, but the organizer of the group has a business on the other side of town and decided for some reason he wanted to keep the cars on that side for his own profit in business. I still have, and offer every year, the availability of our parking lot to show the cars.

We have local discounts and we have had coupons and brochures handed out in towns to the north and south of us.

We have participated in the local wooden boat show, the crab feed, and the Easter egg hunt. Giving out free track time and the like.

What really gets me is that we handed out at the very least 1,000 half off and free track time coupons only to get maybe five or so back.

People here on the coast are really that different from inland. They have no interest in anything as far as I can tell.
I also put some things at the Woodburn dragstrip, but when they came in they expected a drag track. :) That didn't work out well at all with those guys.

I do have restrictions as the owners don't like to do much paid advertising, so I just keep plugging away and trying to build a program. Actually, I just try keeping what interested people we have.

We have one local church youth group that comes in once a year. None show interest in getting their own car to race.
It's really frustrating to say the least, but we are always open for ideas.

I think for the most part, people that live around here don't have the money. If they do, it's spent at the local bars or spent on meth or something.

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 01:12 PM

I like the idea with the Ferrari and Corvette thing... perhaps get a big trophy... invite both of them down... and the top driver gets the trophy?

You could also talk to local auto body and mechanic shops. Somehow set up a series, where each place comes down to race... keeping track of most laps... and points perhaps... at the end the winning auto body shop gets to carry the trophy for a season until next season, could even do driver points.... best mechanic driver, best shop owner driver, best tire driver... etc.

Persistence will pay off... NASCAR is the most watched spectator sport right now, and is on the brink of surpassing NFL. Slot cars can be the perfect outlet for it.

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 01:14 PM

Hope I didn't say anything that was offensive and I agree with you about Carrie! She is one HECK of a driver. :)

No offense taken, Jairus. I just wanted to set up the scenerio about the track and the reason why we do things differently. :)
Glad you have decided to come join us whenever you can.

Now I got to get to work. :)

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 01:17 PM

I do know from observation that the Northwest coast is a lot different from other places.

I have gone to all auto body shops and suggested all those things. I still have open invitations with all of them. Even one of our own racers manages a NAPA auto parts store.

Nobody seems to be interested out here. If this track were in Salem... it would be different.

But I keep trying.

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 01:24 PM

Keep looking for the niche of your raceway.

Each raceway has to find it. Port Jefferson Raceway has found its niche in Regional, National, and now World Championship races, geared towards the fastest of the fastest and best of the best.

BPR... thanks to a few racers with the idea of retro racing has evolved into the revival of the hobby and has spread all over the US.

Slots-A-Lot Raceway, the track I work at, is geared for kids, i.e. birthday parties and good, clean, fun, family racing atmosphere with friends with occasional regional races as we travel to other raceways to race against others, and they do the same.

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 01:53 PM

Mark F.,

Do you have rental cars that someone off the street can come in to use if they just want to buy some track time? If so, how about advertising birthday party type social events? I've been involved in slot cars since 1963. In my opinion, a little local advertising is essential for success. No, you won't make all your income from holding races, you need to do the rentals and hold birthday party type events, too. Once you have a bit larger customer base, a good portion of your business will be word-of-mouth. :)

Oregon has a large number of racers running hardbody cars on home/club tracks, perhaps the greatest quantity in the US. I'd approach some of these clubs to see how you could integrate some of their racing programs at the raceway to possibly gain a few more racers and to help sell more parts. From what I know about Oregon, this hasn't been historically done by commercial raceways. It's been a "them" vs "us" situation. :shok:

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Posted 15 June 2009 - 10:12 PM

Bill...

We do the whole rentals and birthday parties thing, along with an arcade and indoor mini-golf. That seems to be the only thing that has worked out in the summer months and holiday weekends. Tourist season is between mid-June and September. That's when our majority of business occurs. We do OK with rental and parties at that time. What we don't do well at is local involvement and race programs (mainly due to lack of participation).

We don't have the track or inventory setup for Regional or National races... nor do I really want it to evolve in that direction.
We approached the Hardbody group. What they wanted was different than what we could provide them. Long story... but the short version is that they wanted to move in and take over the track while they were there, dictating to us how much they would pay for the racing fee and controlling our inventory for the racing.

Clubs basically don't want to use commercial tracks based on that one little problem of financing. However, I have tried to invite these people every time they come in.

Actually, the start of this thread was basically my attempt of explaining a little more about Jairus's experience here. I would like to grow the race program if I could, but if not we will continue to cater to the kids and tourist during the summer months and holidays. Not a problem for me.





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