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[Tex]

To quote Annie Lennox and the Eurythmics...... "Sweet dreams are made of these.....".

[MSwiss]

Any interest in these if I can dig up some quantity?

[dc-65x]

Hi Mike,

Can I get 4 please??????

Thanks in advance,

Rick

[Duffy]

I hate trying to photograph clear bodies but here goes:It appears to be...

Hi Mike

...But, no, as you can't photograph clear, nor can I SEE it--I do know that's not this one. Your link's a Lotus 19: Jerry Hansen's Lotus, which I believe he got out of Jerry Grant's Bardahl Special, seen here in some great slice&dice: Grant at Riverside

--A great moment here, as Grant accelerates out of the pits, skootching up half out of the car to look back and over that barn-door spoiler for oncoming traffic!!

John Dilworth has just got this subject out in Lexan, as well as Gurney's Arceiro Bros. Pacemaker. Rejoice.

Duffy

[Duffy]

Talk about seeing clearly...as I've mentioned, I'm in the middle of packing for a major move, and I just put away all my books in my work area & now have several sq. feet of table space; whereupon I've arrayed some dozen-plus Lexan shells, to decide what to do next! Yup, there they sit like tenuous Shmoos, all blinking expectantly up at me and keening, "Do MEE next, MEEE!!" "--No, MEEEEE, I'll be FAST, do MEE!..."

And I, half-blind and half-deaf as well, can't even tell who's talking.

Duffy

[MSwiss]

All right. What is it ?
Guys here at the track are arguing.
Sano Dave claims it's a Lotus 19.(Jerry Grant's 65 LA Times Grand Prix car)
Another local who is an ex-road racer swears it's a McKee.

I'm guessing PDL will probably know and quote what slot car company
originally pulled the body.

[Gary Donahoe]

Sano Dave is correct. Jerry Grants Lotus 19 Chevy.

[Duffy]

Respectfully, --well, uh-uh. Look at the peaked, humpy rear fenders, that's no Lotus. Dunno what it is, but the 19 has long, rather flat fenders (is that right? Fenders, right? or "wheel humps?") and this is not that. --McKee? Y'think?

[MSwiss]

Freezing the Youtube video at 1:55, it indeed appears to be that car.
The back opening of the slot body appears to be a bit narrower but it's the same shape.

[dc-65x]

I'm looking at my original body and it's a #151 Select Lotus 19 Special. I always thought is was Dan Gurney's Pacesetter Ford version?????? Anyway, Duffy, it's a Lotus 19 with huge fender flares and a honk'n Ford V-8. Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Coooooooooooooooooooooooooooool! Those were the beginning days of what turned in to the late great CanAm Series.

Gary,

Thanks for helping me remember that great time back at Pasadena Speedway. I don't remember, but I'm sure you out paced me. You were always the better driver!

[Gary Donahoe]

Grant's Lotus 19 was very heavily modified. Very little of the body remained as original. Not sure if I am remembering correctly but a one point in time I think they used a Bardahl sign board for the rear wing. Could be wrong but I'm pretty certain that this is Grant's car.
Rick, thanks for complementing my driving but the Pasadena Speedway track had an odd set of quick turns in succession that took many laps to master. With the home track advantage I'm sure you prevailed. As I recall the R&L team that I was on got stomped by both Pasadena Speedway and Foothill Hobbies teams.

Gary D.

[MSwiss]

They don't look nearly as peaky in this photo.
I'm pretty sure that Jerry Grant car was the only Lotus 19 with that style fender.

[Duffy]

Ohhhh, I'm tough tonight. Not havin' it, guys, sorry. Mike's photo is at a hard angle to judge those rear fenders, but apart from the big flares, they're just not the right shape.

Here's Moss at Laguna Seca with a fairly pristine 19, see how flat and smooth the rear is? Mike's car recurves back "up" off the hump as it approaches the ducts, Cooper-style, and is humped up past the flares as it rounds up over. I am just not getting that shape to reconcile in my eyes.

And, in Mike's high-angle shot, the nose is uniformly round and shows none of the characteristic protruberance of the 19s. The Gurney car--

--exaggerated this, but you see it better in Moss' ride above. And the Pacesetter lacks the big spoiler, so far as I remember throughout its career.

I just don't know, but I'm pretty sure I know what I know isn't. Sleep now, I'll see what you guys decide tomorrow...

Du<zzzzzz....>

[Duffy]

...AAAND after all that, we get a side shot, and, well, "NEVERMIND!!" Now I can rest...but I'll just leave up all my great gobblygook, so we can savor how very wrong something can go. STILL can't see clear bodies!

Dummy

[dc-65x]

Ya, it looks like the Pacetter Ford version didn't have a rear spoiler. Gary is right about some version using a sign for a spoiler . I remember the picture from the period magazines. So, what REAL car it's supposed to be, I'm not sure. But, the repop is from a Select #151 Lotus Special body..........whatever that is .

It looks to cool for school to me

May I have it?

Please!

[MSwiss]

It looks to cool for school to me

May I have it?

Please!

PM me with your address.
I'll send it out to you for what I paid for it ($0.00)

[dc-65x]

THANKS MIKE!

PM sent

[Tex]

Sano Dave is correct. Jerry Grants Lotus 19 Chevy.

Ohhhh, I'm tough tonight. Not havin' it, guys, sorry. Mike's photo is at a hard angle to judge those rear fenders, but apart from the big flares, they're just not the right shape.

Grant's Lotus 19 was very heavily modified. Very little of the body remained as original.

If I understood PdL correctly in the not too distant past, Mr. Donahoe brings some real world 1:1 racing knowledge and experience to the table; my money's on him.

[Duffy]

If I understood PdL correctly in the not too distant past, Mr. Donahoe brings some real world 1:1 racing knowledge and experience to the table; my money's on him.

Yah, and I conceded, the side view nails it--sure didn't look that way from on top, which is why so many Facebook portraits seem to be taken from that same high vantage point. --Not that I'm bein' judgemental or nothin'...

As Mike stated in his first post, likely the Bardahl Spl. in one of its many mods. Howmet has a new plug for this, with some stuff shifted around a bit. I keep going back & forth between that and the Gurney car...must decide, the iron's getting cold.

Well---not tonight, anyway.

[Toremeister]

Sano Dave is correct. Jerry Grants Lotus 19 Chevy.

Yessir ! Gary Donahoe knows a little bit bout 1:1 scale racing . He was Race Team Manager at Dan Gurneys AAR for many years. Remember those awsome Toyotas #98 and #99 being campaigned in IMSA if I remember correctly !

[The Bugman]

PdL wrong????????,,too funny,,(a typo),,but its about time,,,,,lol,

[Gary Donahoe]

In 1965 I was a 12-year-old avid slot car racer and motor racing fan growing up in Pasadena California. Aside from slot racing I lived to attend races at Riverside with my mom and dad and get my weekly issue of Competition Press so I could devour the information about racing worldwide. The sixties era racecars are very near and dear to my heart. My memory of those cars is pretty accurate however from time to time my now 56-year-old brain plays tricks on me.

Gary D.

[TSR]

Sano Dave is correct. Jerry Grants Lotus 19 Chevy.

100% correct. It is the Bardalh Lotus-Chevy that Grant drove at Riverside and Laguna Seca with the "barn-door" spoiler.

PdL wrong????????,,too funny,,(a typo),,but its about time,,,,,lol,

Wrong about what? I did not post anything until now.

First version with 2-piece spoiler:



Two more "19" in various states of disintegration so as to keep them competitive:



I am still looking for the picture of the actual car with the big one-piece spoiler that was even taller than on the Select slot car body...

[Prof. Fate]

Hi

Mike Swiss, do you have more? If not, lets have Howmet clone it for US.

I have footage from old "Glory Days" episodes of the car racing at Laguna Seca in White. I heard the "sigh" story as well, but don't know if it is true.

With those wide flares, though, it is WIDE compared to a stock 19. I bought a bunch of the old Stromie hard bodies in 1/32 with the intent of doing all these modded versions of the 19. But that is a different thread.

My surviving Cooper/Monaci/ King cobra using the pactra body is a 36d inline car!

A scale early chappy 2 is not any bigger!

Fun.

Fate

[Duffy]

Mike Swiss, do you have more? If not, lets have Howmet clone it for US.

In case we didn't read the first two times I said, Howmet HAS the Bardahl Special AND the Gurney car, both in his well-researched new pops; and is working on a "stock" 19 now that he's satisfied all us Racy guys with flared fenders. Here're pics of John's shells, and I'm no better a Lexanarrazzi than MSwiss!

Duffy