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[DirtyHairy]

Thanks Bill Fulmer for such detailed photos


just some thoughts about some pictures i seen,,,,Were there Concourse winners at Da Sano???? were there awards for the worst paint jobs????....Noose does some really really good paint jobs.....+Rep for Noose, i mean most of your paint is fantastic....

but what about a total lack of effort in paint jobs....I seen so many paint jobs of one color splattered on the body with no attention to detail whatsoever!!!!! i though these cars were supposed to be realistic????i mean 3 randomly placed numbers, with a miniature sponsor, if that????? I think there should be a spirit calibration done to the paint jobs on some of these cars!!!!! i understand the paint job dosnt race but maybe some of these cars should have a little more effort or "spirit" put into these paint jobs...

Noose,,,your paint rocks,,hopefully you can inspire some of these guys to get a little more into the paint

[Noose]

Yes there were concours at the Sano. I actually thought over all the bodies were more than decent for a change. I have seen guys really attempting to make the look better. Heck, even Ron had good looking interiors! LOL

Are there still some uglies out there ..yup..for sure. Jay Guard, who helped me in the first couple of techs assigned grades and some got some D minuses and were told.

I was fortunate to win 3 concours. Both F1s and the Can-Am for the Flat Track. My buddy and fellow artist Jack Beers win the GT coupe and Can-Am with very, very detailed bodies. DZ won the JK Spec Concours with a very pretty body.

[DirtyHairy]

congrats on the concourse, and to Ron, his interiors were good looking, but the body itself was about as boring as they come!!!! Im not complaining about the bodies, but at the PREMIER IRRA event i expected more......but hey while we are on the subject, What would it cost me for a Custom Noose body with some DiRtYhArRy on it?????

[Josh Crutchfield]

Noose,

Congrats on the concours awards.

Justin,

Ron has come along way with the body detail with detailed Stacks, exhaust pipes, and painted sides.

Josh

[DirtyHairy]

just thought that some of these top notch racers would present great looking cars......maybe thats why im slow...i guess a little more time with the chassis and motor and less thought about the body!!!!!! LOL

[MantaRay]

Ken Swanson was nominated in all classes............he raced 'em all..................."Sano" Dave also had very nicely fogged and detailed bodies in all of the classes. The pics for Concours were out there on Bill's flickr site, maybe you just missed 'em. Maybe next year, you will show us some of your handy work.

[DirtyHairy]

i couldnt tell if you were being sarcastic, but i though "even my least detailed body had more "spirit" than a majority of the bodies ran in the premier event..IMO
example..my least detailed Retro body...

[Ron Hershman]

and to Ron, his interiors were good looking, but the body itself was about as boring as they come!!!! Im not complaining about the bodies, but at the PREMIER IRRA event i expected more...

Yea it's all about the bodies

I expected to see you at the premier race..... you could have shown us all your painting skills, building skills and driving skills.

Maybe next time????

Not to disappoint ya.... I WILL BE THERE with another "boring" body.

[MantaRay]

My point is...................Most, not all, of the top notch racers had nicely painted, highly detailed bodies. Some folks spend a lot of time on Concours, some on getting the car to go fast, some do both. To each his own. Come race with us next year.

[Noose]

Ron's bodies were fine this go around. He even had good interiors!

Here are the concours winners by classes:

Can-Am King Track
Jack Beers 1st, Noose 2nd, Ken Swanson 3rd






Can-Am Flat Track
Noose 1st, 2nd Ken Swanson, 3rd Jay Guard






F1 King Track
Noose 1st, Jay Guard 2nd, Ken Swanson 3rd






F1 Flat Track
Noose 1st, Jack Beers 2nd, Jay Guard 3rd






GTC King Track
Jack Beers 1st, Noose 2nd, G, Suar 3rd (Eddie Mac body)







JK Spec King
Eddie DZ 1st, Noose 2nd, G. Suar 3rd

[Ron Hershman]

Thanks Bill Fulmer for such detailed photos


just some thoughts about some pictures i seen,,,,Were there Concourse winners at Da Sano???? were there awards for the worst paint jobs????

but what about a total lack of effort in paint jobs....I seen so many paint jobs of one color splattered on the body with no attention to detail whatsoever!!!!! i though these cars were supposed to be realistic????i mean 3 randomly placed numbers, with a miniature sponsor, if that?????

While I appreciate you taking notice of my paint jobs and cars.... the Sano was advertised as a "RACE".... not a concours contest or model building contest or a painting contest.

Concours was a optional part of the event.

It was billed and advertised as a slot car race using IRRA retro racing rules.

In these rules it states the bodies are to be painted within reason.

My paint jobs passed tech as you can see by the race results. You have to pass tech before you can race.

The rules require 3 numbers........ mine had them.

The rules require the bodies to be painted..... mine was.

The rules do not require more than one color.

The rules do not require a sponsor.

Read the rules before making comments please.

How pretty a body is painted or how realistic is up to the entrant to do so...... it's a choice "thing"

Got it????

[Noose]

Ron is right...although the 3 number thing threw him off once.

[Tex]

i though these cars were supposed to be realistic????

???

Based upon what?

You may be confusing the actual BODY being realistic(relative) as opposed to the paint job.

Good on ya for painting yours up beyond the minimum. But, as Ron pointed out, it's a race and race prep takes precedent over appearance for most racers. Don't fault them for doing so(wasted negative vibes); enjoy the ones that DID go above and beyond.

[Victor Poulin]

I have to agree with Ron and Noose on this one. While the fancy 3 and 4 tone paint jobs and fine detailing are nice, not everyone has the talent of Noose and some of the others. I know I dont !! But that doesnt mean they cant set up a chassis or build a race winning motor does it ? I know over the years, I,ve been smoked by many a car, that lets just say, were far from winning any beauty contest. Also remember, in these hard times, not everyone can afford to pay for someone else to paint their bodies up for them. To me it dosent matter how pretty the car is that just blew my doors off In fact, if its real pretty, it just pisses me off even more

[DirtyHairy]

OK so you forgot one thing.....SPIRIT!!!!!! you can argue with me all you want about it but IMO there were some lame bodies......A total lack of effort...Just my opinion,,,obviously it struck you at heart. i understand it was a race, and how the car works is more important but can you see any Top Nascar driver racing a Primer Gray car with just 3 numbers at a Nascar race????? C'mon you guys know what i mean about some of these paint jobs being minimalist....You would think the top drivers would be driving some good looking cars,IMO...

Thanks for the Cheapshot Ron,and to think i picked you to win, shame on me for thinking you were a class act ,,,,,Im pretty sure he can afford to have someone paint him a body...IMO....

Way to go Ken!!!! Congrats on winning a race with a good looking car!!!!!!

I thought painting and building were both in the SPIRIT of retro slot car racing?????? I didnt bring this up to be negative, it just happened to catch my eyes when i was looking through the photos........If it bothers you that much, then paint a better looking car!!!!!!

[Mopar Rob]

OK so you forgot one thing.....SPIRIT!!!!!! you can argue with me all you want about it but IMO there were some lame bodies......A total lack of effort...Just my opinion,,,obviously it struck you at heart. i understand it was a race, and how the car works is more important but can you see any Top Nascar driver racing a Primer Gray car with just 3 numbers at a Nascar race????? C'mon you guys know what i mean about some of these paint jobs being minimalist....You would think the top drivers would be driving some good looking cars,IMO...

I think you have some sort of romanticized fantasy going on about slot car pros and nicely painted bodies? Your comparison to NASCAR is just in real racing you're talking about major money of sponsorship, and if they don't have it they usually paint the car all black or all white.

You need to remember Ron is a businessman and is worried about making money to pay his bills and come race, not attempt to paint a nice body. Jerry Kulich (JK products) came and raced the spec race with a borrowed car with a one color paint job. Everyone was happy to have him come race with us and I don't think anyone cared that his car wasn't his or he didn't have fancy paint?

Now to be mean

I'm not impressed with your least detailed body. Come on show something capable of winning concours, not some fade with a couple of stickers.

[TSR]

OK so you forgot one thing.....SPIRIT!

yes, indeed.
Thanks to the guys that really put up the effort!

[DirtyHairy]

ok,,,,just thought the Top Guys would have great looking stuff.....its just my opinion,,,im not forcing it upon you or anyone else,,,,,,it was just something i noticed....

i thought some of these guys owned companies and had sponsors,,,i just thought ,,,once again,,,,IMO ,,, they would have better looking rides.....you say im romantisizing about pros and nice bodies,,well when your proffesional , i think you should present yourself that way.......obviously im not a pro but 99% of my cars look more "Pro" then some of those......but once again this is my opinion

like i said im not a pro, so take it with a grain of salt

[Ron Hershman]

yes, indeed.
Thanks to the guys that really put up the effort!

Looks like P forgot his spirit and effort..... his entry from the Checkpoint Cup....."THE" Premier race on the West Coast

[Mopar Rob]

BTW:


What you also missed were Eddie DZ's other non-concors cars in his box. Some of them were litterally primer gray with a "don't care" written with a Sharpe on the body. DZ chose to only run spec for whatever reason? Had he raced the other classes you would have seen bodies that you would have complained about.

[Ron Hershman]

Thanks for the Cheapshot Ron,and to think i picked you to win, shame on me for thinking you were a class act ,,,,,Im pretty sure he can afford to have someone paint him a body...IMO....


I thought painting and building were both in the SPIRIT of retro slot car racing?????? I didnt bring this up to be negative, it just happened to catch my eyes when i was looking through the photos........If it bothers you that much, then paint a better looking car!!!!!!

Your welcome for the cheap shot.... but you started this...now you wanna cry I gave you a cheap shot..... what or where exactly is the cheap shot?

Here is what a 1969 Ferrari 612 looked like in real life......



Here is my "retro slot version"



So while the color is different...it has three numbers like the rules and real car does.... mine even has a sponsor..while the real one doesn't. My company sponsor is on my car.

Did you ever see any real full size Can-Am bodies with the drivers name painted down the whole top of the rear fenders? Nope...only in slot cars and not all of them in the day were painted that way either.

So next time you want to stir the pot with me about my paint jobs....... better bring a bigger sized spoon. I already got mine and stir regularly.



And if you want to discuss "class" one who gets on here and judges the other paint jobs at a race you didn't attend..... you really show that you have no class as you was not even there to tell them face to face their paint jobs were boring, worse than others, lacking spirit or effort. You have no class hiding behind a keyboard.

[markdshark]

One thing to remember, Can-Am cars of the era, were often painted in a single color. McLaren and Chaparral, as well as the above mentioned Ferrari, are good examples. However, if we want to represent slot cars of the era, multi-color paint jobs were not uncommon. How can you have a Retro Race in Chicago, without someone coming up with a Dave Bloom type paint scheme??? I guess, that a case could be made for either approach!

[Ron Hershman]

BTW:


What you also missed it were Eddie DZ's other non-concors cars in his box. Some of them were litterally primer gray with a "don't care" written with a Sharpe on the body. DZ chose to only run spec for whatever reason? Had he raced the other classes you would have seen bodies that you would have complained about.

Now your talking "spirit".

[Ron Hershman]

One thing to remember, Can-Am cars of the era, were often painted in a single color. McLaren and Chaparral, as well as the above mentioned Ferrari, are good examples. However, if we want to represent slot cars of the era, multi-color paint jobs were not uncommon. How can you have a Retro Race in Chicago, without someone coming up with a Dave Bloom type paint scheme??? I guess, that a case could be made for either approach!

Ding ding ding...we have a winner!!!!

[TSR]

As usual Ron, cheap shots. ALL your cars at ALL the races look, if you allow me, like crap. Sure they run good, sure, your technical knowledge and your driving experience brings them right up there at the end of the day, but their presentation should cost you and similar cars done similarly by othes, some kind of penalties in the final tally. of course that's not in the rules.
So to make your crummy point, trying to squirm under the criticism by others, you take ONE example of ONE car done at the last minute in the FIVE classes I ran at the Checkpoint, in which my cars placed in Concours twice, then make an example of it. I call this pure hypocrisy.

You have been hinted by plenty of people for the past two years that of all people, YOU should be giving an example, but instead, it's one crappy body after another. Don't feel that you are alone here, by the way, but you are alone in trying to make every excuse in the book, to the "letter of the law". F*** the "spirit" of course, that meaningless ugly word.

Then you, Plain & Simple Ron, give lessons in BS to everyone here.

I have to congratulate you, you are really good at it.