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[Quickcars]

Hey Joe,

That is too bad. One of the guys from my club called and was told that they didn't know anything about a club meeting and he was booked with birthday parties so all the guys decided not to go, including my ride.

He said the one open track was a "King" that the Wing car racers would be using...

??

[Joe Mig]

Well, he was wrong. There was a party from 2:00 to 3:00 on one track and we were the other party so we had any track we wanted.

[Prof. Fate]

Hi,

P, you are correct, the three new cars got the new nose, the ex-Holbert car had the old nose, but still the bulged rear fenders for the new wider tires.

Number 95 if memory serves. A "'63-1/2", then?

My copy of Nye is the later expanded edition, but, while fun, sadly short of photos!

My disappointement with the new MRRC issue of the 97 car in orange was just the standard '63 in orange; didn't have the spoiler OR the nose, let alone being the full lang conversion!

Other photos I don't have. The "Purple People Eater" modification. Mono did one reissue with the cut wheel wells and mini flares. I have footage on tape and DVD of the car running at winter Bahamas race but I haven't seen a still of the car. Of course, never done as a vac either.

Another mod, the first of the CM61s in America had a longer nose than the ones made famous, but no one did that version either.

So, the question, Philippe, is this obsession just you and I and are we boring everyone else?

Fate

[Quickcars]

Hi Joe,

I saw the picture of the your "King" in the other thread and it looks fantastic! Wish I could have seen it run. When you have a chance, please post pics here of the car and chassis setup. I'm curious to see your setup.

Thanks,

Paul

PS: Prof and PDL, I never tire of the information you guys provide regarding both 1:1 and slot cars of this vintage!

[Joe Mig]

It is nothing like the others so here it is. The body is a thin repro but the rest of the car is NOS parts I had. I made the brass pans that the body mounts to and it has a plumber hinge.

[Quickcars]

Nice work, Joe; I likey Nice build on that Dynamic chassis.

I'm working on a trade for these two bodies. They look a bit different than yours.

[Pete L.]

Joe,

Cool King Cobra, nice set of wheels, too! Gotta see that baby with the body off one of these days.

[Ramcatlarry]

Body DETAILS changed in the old days from race to race and car by car. ANY mold made can only be a point in time, a photo, or a detailed measured drawing. I saw the Chaparrals at Meadowdale also. One car ran the angled-up pipes and one ran the early horizontal pipes. When I made my race model, I made the horizontal pipes. The Shelbys are no different. Each car on the team may have shared a common design tub frame, but individual cars may have different details on their cars as they evolved and experiments (and repairs) were made to the Cooper Monaco cars.

I am going to put my Lancer on a new chassis this winter as well. I have my original modified Monogram to restore as well. The rear wing I made is missing, but otherwise intact, less chassis.

[TSR]

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One car ran the angled-up pipes and one ran the early horizontal pipes.

That was in 1964 when on chassis ran a Chevrolet engine and the other an Oldsmobile engine.
The 1/32 scale slot car kit and the two static kits that Hawk made showed the Olds version, while almost all others modeled the chassis with the Chevy.

[Ramcatlarry]

We all know the Chap II 'c' and on designations. Was the Olds motor the IIa or IIb or just plain II? I know the Chap I was the front engine T & B car.

I have a Hawk kit to build out as well.

[Horsepower]

That's what I like to see! True vintage building.

Joe, those Mille Miglia wheels look great! I am presently restoring a set by bead blasting and sealing to try to finish a Russkit Porsche 906. I wish I were a machinist, so I could figure a way to convert those to set screw.

The King Cobra is one I never saw at the track in the late '60s.

[Horsepower]

By the way, Larry's King Cobra is not good. It's AMAZING!

[Joe Mig]

Switchblade, on Nov 10 2009, 03:07 PM, said:

Joe, those Mille Miglia wheels look great!

I cleaned them with juice of lime and then polished them about one year ago but they turned.
I cut the wheels just a bit and they work fine. It is not the only car with Mille Miglia wheels I have that works good.

I'll have to do a rebuild on the motor one day as it is low on horsepower.

[TSR]

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We all know the Chap II 'c' and on designations. Was the Olds motor the IIa or IIb or just plain II? I know the Chap I was the front engine T & B car.

Actually, the first two 1964 cars (fiberglass tub, flat body sides, one fitted with the Chevy, one with the Olds, one with a Cooper 5-speed gearbox, one with a prototype semi-automatic 2-speed supplied by GM, both with black "wobbly" wheels, then black "kidney-bean" wheels), were simply called "Chaparral 2".

In early 1965, the very same chassis received the wider front and rear wheels, new Coke-bottle shaped sides to enclose the wheels, both were now Chevy-powered and both had the auto tranny and were still called "Chaparral 2" but in recent times, the suffix "A" was added by historians to clearly separate the new from the old. Jim Hall has clearly said that they were never called "2A" when they were racing.

The 2C is a completely different animal, wider and lower, ran only two races in which it DNF'd then crashed, and its repaired aluminum tub was used to make the first 2E.

[gascarnut]

TSR, on Nov 10 2009, 05:28 PM, said:

The 2C is a completely different animal, wider and lower, ran only two races in which it DNF then crashed, and its repaired aluminum tub was used to make the first 2E.

The 2C did win one race, at Kent, WA in 1965.

According to the Chaparral website:

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1965
Chaparral 2
Sebring, Hall/Sharp fastest lap and 1st
USRRC Riverside, Hall 1st, Sharp fastest lap and 2nd
USRRC Laguna Seca, Hall 1st
Bridgehampton, Hall fastest lap and 1st, Sharp 2nd
Mosport, Hall fastest lap and 2nd
Elkhart Lake, Hall fastest lap and 1st
USRRC Watkins Glen, Hall fastest lap and 1st, Sharp 2nd
FIA Mr. Tremblant, Canada, Hall fastest lap and 2nd, Sharp 3rd
USRRC Kent, Hall 1st Sharp fastest lap and 2nd
USRRC Continental Divide, CO, Sharp 1st, Hall 4th
USRRC Mid-Ohio, Sharp 1st
Road America 500 Hall/Sharp/Hissom 1st, Hall/Sharp/Jennigs 2nd
Bridgehampton, Sharp fastest lap and 1st
Mosport, Hall fastest lap and 1st
Kent WA, Hall fastest lap and 1st, Chaparral 2C, Sharp 2nd
Laguna Seca, Sharp fastest lap and 2nd
Riverside, Sharp 1st
Las Vegas, Sharp 1st, Hall fastest lap and 3rd
Nassau, Sharp 1st, Hall fastest lap, Chaparral 2C

[TSR]

Dennis, you are correct, I forgot Kent that was the lone 2C's first race. I should know better from memory since the 2C (the REAL 2C) is my favorite Chaparral racing car.

[endbelldrive]

Prof.Fate, on Nov 9 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

So, the question, Philippe, is this obsession just you and I and are WE boring everyone else?

You're not boring us... Perspiring minds want to know!

[TSR]

Obviously a hot subject!

[Quickcars]

Joe,

I really like what you did with you King. The wheels do match up with the car very well. I'd like to find something that does the car justice as well. I have found some really interesting paint schemes for this car on various websites. Not sure if any of them are actual race liveries but they still look cool.

I'm thinking maybe this cool yellow one or maybe something silver....

[Horsepower]

Here's a set of those wheels before and after bead blasting. After is on the left side. I sealed them with Future floor polish but I'm going to use clear spray next time. The sides of the wheels were polished to a shine but application of Future made them look like flat aluminum like the rest of the wheel.



A better close up.

[Joe Mig]

Switchblade, on Nov 10 2009, 11:24 PM, said:

Here's a set of those wheels before and after bead blasting. After is on the left side. I sealed them with Future floor polish but I'm going to use clear spray next time. The sides of the wheels were polished to a shine but application of Future made them look like flat aluminum like the rest of the wheel.

A better close up.

I think you should try Lime Juice on the wheels then polishing, insted of bead blasting .

[Quickcars]

A few more Kings!

[Prof. Fate]

Hi

Notice how all those bodies are WRONG!

None have the little dent in the nose of the first photo.

Grin.

Fate

I have one, as I said, on the Champion plated "jail door" chassis for the 26d.

[Tex]

I love the "tape job" on #97.... that's really cool detail!

[Quickcars]

Rocky,

I'd love to see a pic or two of your car...please?

Paul