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#176 Keith Tanaka

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 02:05 PM

For years now I have been running many tires I have purchased over the internet from various sources. EVERY SINGLE tire I have ever run has been nothing trick and potentially and READILY available at Buena Park in a couple of days from several distributors.

No one has ever said a single word to me about this being illegal and everyone I know has purchased some tires at one time or another at places other than Buena Park.

Since we are trying to clear this up I have a couple more questions. Should Buena Park be expected to carry every single tire combination by every single manufacturer and if so in what quantities?

If they are temporarily out of stock of a certain brand on a given day, does it make that particular tire illegal that specific day?

Where does it end?

Bryan, I agree some of us have purchased tires at other places other than BP. I'm one of them. I purchased JD tires from Swiss when they first became available since BP didn't have any "JD" tires initially when Jail Doors began racing. Of course, since those days, we now have JD tires at BP (except for Swiss JD tires!).
We certainly can't expect BP to stock a lot of different tires as the track will end up with a lot of inventory which will probably not move quickly and therefore a business liability.

As far as: "If they are temporarily out of stock of a certain brand on a given day, does it make that particular tire illegal that specific day?"
No. They are still legal. The raceway cannot be expected to have stock available at all times and therefore those tires which have been sold at BP (in stock now or not) will be allowed unless they have been banned.

After the Checkpoint, the D3 board needs to address the "current" tire situation to come up with a fair and reasonable tire policy (to be included in the posted D3 rules) which is good for the local raceway (BP in our case) and "fair" to all D3 racers, local or not. It's difficult if not impossible to enforce any tire policy unless anything goes. However, as we've seen in the past with USRA, anything goes or the latest, greatest product endorsement leads to an unstable environment for everyone, especially the raceway.

Hopefully, we can get a good quorem of racers to participate in the tire discussion after the Checkpoint (sometime) to make sure we address everyone's concerns. It's an impossible task to come up with a rule which "everyone" agrees with and will stand the test of time, but we need to start somewhere as far as including a tire rule in our posted D3 rules.

The D3 rules were intentionally made as simple/concise as possible. Paul Sterrett doesn't believe in having a lot of rules (i.e., NASCAR, F1, etc.). I don't either as we know some racers never read the rules and complain later when they realize they haven't been following them. It's obvious now that we do need a tire rule included in our posted D3 rules.

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 02:08 PM

I blame Howie and Simon for this whole thing ! It is their way of cracking open a Speight's Beer and laughing at all of us :laugh2:

Philippe, is that a burning 3RD Eye Controller I see that you are using to light the torches ??

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 02:34 PM

However, as we've seen in the past with USRA, anything goes or the latest, greatest product endorsement leads to an unstable environment for everyone, especially the raceway.



Ohhhh those evil USRA racers. If it hadn't been for some of those USRA evil wing car racers..... you may not have that very nice King track you retro guys like racing on so much. ;)

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 02:38 PM

Hi

So, now the fear is that someone has out of town rubber that will be faster than the guys dialed in at BP?

Since I know most of you and know that in person you do not go on and on with the sort of heat I see here, I am amazed. You realize that some of my friends who were planning on visiting BP from out of town see this stuff and get a very WRONG impression about racing at BP?

You guys are mostly my friends, and BETTER than this crap. Sheesh!

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#180 Keith Tanaka

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 02:48 PM

Ohhhh those evil USRA racers. If it hadn't been for some of those USRA evil wing car racers..... you may not have that very nice King track you retro guys like racing on so much. ;)

You're right. Although it would be nice to have a more appropriate type King (old style without the bumps) to race our retro cars on.
The swoopy King is popular as it makes racers "feel" like they are good drivers. So much for perception.


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Posted 03 January 2011 - 03:16 PM

. . .wall-o-text. . .
I expect smiles and high fives all-round!


Sorry, that's not allowed here. . . :blink:
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Posted 03 January 2011 - 03:39 PM

Paul and Keith,

I volunteer to be the tire police at the Checkpoint Cup. I have probably seen and have more of the kinds of rubber than anyone else, and with my able backup team will keep the minions at bay ,,,,, Mill

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#183 Keith Tanaka

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 03:46 PM

Paul and Keith,

I volunteer to be the tire police at the Checkpoint Cup. I have probably seen and have more of the kinds of rubber than anyone else, and with my able backup team will keep the minions at bay ,,,,, Mill

Thanks MIll, we need as much help as we can get for the Checkpoint.

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p.s.- I'll need two people to help sell/distribute the handout motors for the Can Am race, early Saturday morning (7 am). Any volunteers?

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 03:48 PM

...I have probably seen and have more of the kinds of rubber than anyone else,,,,, Mill


Sounds Kinky :wub: , should be a good show for the CPC.:laugh2:
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Posted 03 January 2011 - 03:50 PM

I would, but you know how that would be perceived... :laugh2:
Get Dave Larsen, he would be large enough. :)

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 03:53 PM

I can do it Keith as I will not be racing CanAm. I may be helping others out so can you give me a idea of how long we will have to sell motors?

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 04:02 PM

Sorry, that's not allowed here. . . :blink:


:laugh2: Thank you Dennis!

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 04:12 PM

I can do it Keith as I will not be racing CanAm. I may be helping others out so can you give me a idea of how long we will have to sell motors?

Thanks Barney!
After the initial rush of racers to get their Can Am handout motors on Saturday morning beginning shortly after 7 am, probably one person can handle distributing the motors to the remaining late arrivals. Can Am tech opens at 10 am, closes at 11 am.
Most of the motors should be distributed within the first hour or so I would hope.



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Posted 03 January 2011 - 04:30 PM

i recently went out to diner with some friends due to a very special occasion, and to celebrate this, i purchased a 2002 Corison Cab from napa to have with dinner. Because we brought our own wine there was a reasonable corking fee assessed. maybe we can do the same with the tires that some wish to make. "This is also part of the Hobby" like chassis making body painting and controller tuning. Just for giggles not to put any one on the spot but can i get a TonyP chassis with a Noose Ferrari body , Sorted by Gorski and a Speedshop Controller Tuned By Lee Gilbert and have it ready to go when i get there on Friday to be final purchased at the track.:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

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Posted 03 January 2011 - 04:39 PM

There will be a gluing inspection done at the Track on Friday morning for those who wish to true and glue their own donuts. The glue will have to be officially sniffed, the hubs inspected for unobtanium, and the rubber validated. Ben Franklin's assistance as always, welcome !

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 01:45 PM

Philippe, is that a burning 3RD Eye Controller I see that you are using to light the torches ??



You mean this one??

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Posted 04 January 2011 - 01:54 PM

Did you guys really just spend all this time discussing which LEGAL tires you are going to allow just days before your premier event???? :shok: I can't wait to see some of you on a thread discussing how screwed up the USRA is :laugh2:

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 08:45 PM

Roman,
You are the wise one, so we are taking you as an example to follow. No worry, we will soon be unionized and get lots of money for doing nothing too. :)

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 11:15 PM

This pic brings back memories. The look on Mark Greene's face after he noticed those controllers burning was hilarious :laugh2:
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Posted 07 January 2011 - 06:51 PM

Someone PLEASE send a picture of that melting 3rd Eye to Howard Smith. I'm sure he'd love to see one of his masterpieces going up in flames......

And is Vitter in charge of being the "official" tire grinder for this event?
Give him a "pop" and a "burner" and he'll grind donuts all day.......

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:13 PM

Jeff I think Vitter is busy talking as you know! :laugh2: Him cutting tires for others you must be kidding me? :rolleyes:
He is in the Vitter land at this point.
I found out tomorrow when I see him. :shok:


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Posted 08 January 2011 - 02:29 PM

Ah the Checkpoint cup, good friends, lots of thrashing, good racing, making a rookie mistake and hooking up my lead wires backwards, it was still better than staying home!

Hopefully Sunday will be even better but I will be missing Pete Zimmerman in F1.
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Posted 09 January 2011 - 12:48 AM

I lost a 3rd Eye Renegade controller Friday nite after the RetroPro race, if someone accidently picked it up please let me know. It has my name on it and a bunch of fiberglass tape wrap around the handle. It was last seen near the camera station by Keith T. pits.
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 02:12 PM

HEY DOUG.a controller was found sun nite with black tape around the handle. is it yours?chk with bpr
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Posted 10 January 2011 - 05:08 PM

No, my 3rd Eye Renegade Controller had Clear Fiberglass tape wrapped around the handle and "Doug Matthes" written on it with black Sharpie.


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