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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:34 PM

BTW - how much are the kits listing for?


Looks like about $60.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:51 PM

Looks like they're going for $42 on eBay from at least one seller.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:20 PM

Being such crap kits, they're bound to be collectible.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 04:05 AM

All you really need is a suitable hardbody kit and one of these:
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 04:19 PM

Three things to add.

1. As far as price, These started at about $69.00 when they first hit Ebay, Now can be had for as low as $42.00

2. Let's go back to my earlier prediction in this thread. You will see these in the Big Lot type stores ( not sure what they call them around you area ) probably for $15.00 or even cheaper soon enough as AMT dumps the slow moving stock as they usually do.

3. And here is best idea I've had in years, Are you ready? Jairus presents the "AMT REISSUE CHALLENGE ! " How cool is that. AMT, former parent of Dynamic. However, as sold it would have to be one race with ten laps :bomb: . I am serious about this though. We could make a list of acceptable mods. Mr. Bader can give us a deal on a group buy. What do you think? This piece of %&#@ will separate the men from the boys for sure.
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 04:40 PM

WOW!!... now thats a good idea Joe :clapping: Now if we could get the price down to say $14.99 ???? :laugh2: it would be a winner...

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 05:42 PM

All you really need is a suitable hardbody kit and one of these:


I just wonder how clever the designers of these ProTrack chassis are.
Take a look at their 1/32 "Spider" chassis. Notice anything peculiar? :laugh2:

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 06:52 PM

...And here is best idea I've had in years, Are you ready? Jairus presents the "AMT REISSUE CHALLENGE ! " How cool is that. AMT, former parent of Dynamic.


I'm game. I'm a glass is half full kind of guy...so what the hey. :pardon:
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 07:07 PM

I just wonder how clever the designers of these ProTrack chassis are. Take a look at their 1/32 "Spider" chassis. Notice anything peculiar? :laugh2: Posted Image

no? except the funky guide setup?
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 07:34 PM

3. And here is best idea I've had in years, Are you ready? Jairus presents the "AMT REISSUE CHALLENGE ! " How cool is that. AMT, former parent of Dynamic. However, as sold it would have to be one race with ten laps :bomb: . I am serious about this though. We could make a list


While I don't disagree that it is a good idea... I currently have too much on my plate to organize an event. But... I might enter a car.
Anyone else want to take the reigns of this one?
I figure one race on a flat track with the stock chassis (slightly modified) with stock body and a spec motor just might be the ticket.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 02:11 PM

OK, call me Svengali-ish. Check my previous posts regarding price.

They started at $69 on eBay, which by the way some sellers are still asking. Current market value has dropped from a low at $42 just a couple days ago to a new all time low of $36.60. That's almost half of the original price already. Getting closer to my predicted $15 every day.

No doubt the numerous bad reviews have killed these things. Don't get me wrong. I am not happy about this. Would have been much happier with a quality product that would help the hobby. Someone should investigate making a "tune-up" package for these including axles, oilites, wheels, and tires etc.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 02:26 PM

I already did:

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Along with some chassis mods:

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Just no time to play with it... :dash2:

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 02:40 PM

Great idea, but isn't there room under the body to move the guide post forward; in front of the axle?

If so, I would be inclined to solder a guide tongue over the original hole. :)

Somehow the guide behind the axle offends me. :bad:
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:25 PM

The AMT kits are just a start. Their first attempts back in the '60s weren't great shakes either but their second generation chassis is still a good handling, go fast design.

Looking at the bigger picture... I hope this isn't the end of their attempts to bring back slot car kits.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 04:31 PM

I keep reading these reviews and mod ideas and I'm shaking my head. Kind of pathetic isn't it that many of the very same mistakes or lack of attention to detail seems to have repeated itself in these kits as we experienced in our first slot racing experiences in the mid-'60's? It isn't like these learning experiences have been kept under lock and key all these years. Spend a couple of hours on the internet on sites like Slotblog, or some American and European club sites, not to mention any number of sites that basement racers have set up, and your learning curve (good ideas/bad ideas) would be about 95% complete. Sad.

Another chance for momentum and a fresh perspective from a large manufacturer - AMT - seems to have been lost... again.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:34 PM

I guess the only way to "have time" is to make time so... after burning out on the current projects on the bench, I changed tack and pulled this one back out of the box.

Ground away at the guide holder so it could fit a decent flag by Parma and a set of standard pickup braids.

The front axle holes fit a set of 3/32" axle ball bearing races with-out modification.

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Out back however, it took a stepped drill to open up the holes to 1/4" in order to accept 1/8" axle bearings. However in this case, since the rear end was so narrow I used a set of "Duffy made" extensions soldered into the openings to extend the track of the bearings a little wider.

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Still, the ride height under the chassis screws is quite a bit above the minimum 1/16" track clearance. Looks like I might need to turn down the rear wheels a bit... or mount the rear chassis lead weight UNDER the frame, thus keeping the CGI low as possible.

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At any rate, here is the finished, modified chassis ready for the track. (Think the paint on the body is pretty much cured, time to decal and finish this puppy!)

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 04:52 AM

Looks mucho betterer.


That mod around the guide holder would be an easy mod in the tooling, but I'm guessing that mother AMT won't want to spend any more money on this project.


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 08:43 PM

You may want to solder some bracing as well. A Slick 7 guide tongue will help a lot as will a simple U-brace from the motor bracket to the bearing holders. Another issue is the low-hanging screws under the center of the frame.

I am certain the this short nose is universal to fit the 1/32 bodies as well as the Nova in 1/24. I already have the Batmobile body and will get a Camaro to get parts. I intend to use the Camaro on an FCR.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 09:31 PM

Got my Camaro this weekend.

Good things: Bushings are standard size 3/16" OD so standard generic 1/8" or 3/32" bushings (and 3/32" ball bearings) will pop right in. Another motor adapter on the market (for years) is the Pla-fit flat plate... adapts the FK to the vertical 16D style.

AMT did make good wheels and tires - nice and round and a reasonable tire compound to be usable on a track.

I can see now why you (Jairus) used two flat washers on the flag... the flag shaft IS standard 3/16", but the hole is (?!) oversize.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 01:45 PM

Why haven't they made kits with Ford or Mopar bodies? Believe it or not, not everyone wants a bowtie.
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:10 PM

Good point, Doug! I'll ask.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:41 PM

It's Government Motors! :laugh2: My guess would be they're using old molds and the Chevys happened to be in the best shape requiring little work.

Jairus, who owns the AMT name these days? I know it's been sold at least a couple times. :)

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 03:55 PM

Tom Lowe is president of Round 2 L.L.C. and just a few months ago they purchased the name, the molds and all rights to AMT and attendant holdings (MPC etc.)

They started out by leasing the rights, but (not sure if it is publicly announced yet) I heard from John G. the product manager that the deal when through during the late Fall of 2011. Pretty sure it's well known by this time, you know?

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:41 AM

My first two slot cars in the fall of 1964 were both AMT's because I was a builder of their car kits and a big fan of the company. I got a 1/32 Mustang fastback and a 1/25 Mustang coupe. The 1/32 car was okay but the 1/25 car was a joke because of the motor. They put a re-cycled motor from their Turnpike cars in it and it had a 20 tooth pinion on it! It was geared 20:36 for cryin' out loud... so they mis-engineered that one, too. The 20 tooth pinion was solid on the end and could not be removed with a conventional gear puller. As a twelve-year-old kid, I had no tools or knowledge of how to get it off. Nowadays, a few minutes with a Dremel would take care of that, but that was about two or three years before I got my first Dremel.

IIRC, the motor out the 1/32 Mustang was the first one I ever tried to rewind. Along about that same time, either Car Model or Rod & Custom came out with an article on de-winding/rewinding, so I thought I would try it. The motor was identical in every way to a Revell SP500. It had the armature where no two laminations were identical and the multi-piece nylon comm that would melt in lukewarm water.

Needless to say, my first attempt ended in failure because I melted the comm trying to get the wires soldered to it. All I had was a 15 watt iron at the time that came with a Heathkit radio my dad had gotten me for Christmas the previous year. I did a great job soldering the components to the PC board in the radio and it worked the first time I tried it, but I hadn't perfected my soldering skills yet and destroyed the comm. Once Mabuchi came out with the brown comms in their 16Ds, I was all set!

Jairus, nice job with the "hop up kit"! I remember a couple years ago you asked us here on Slotblog what old AMT slot car bodies we would like to see re-popped. Obviously, that was leading up to this project.

I wish AMT had gone with the brass flat pan chassis they came out with in the 1960s. It was a simple but good design, and for a while, was the way to go at our local track. I held the 1/32 track record on our small track (an 80' folded figure 8) until they went out of business with one.
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:41 PM

The bottom screws can be countersunk and flathead screws used so both ends could be dropped down more...

Still a shame of a modern kit... Someone should send them a link and tell them to step out of the stone age!

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 01:08 PM

I connected Philippe to John Greczula via email and let them talk it out.

John's response was enlightening to say the least. Whether they choose to modify the kit or drop it altogether I don't know. My understanding was that this was suppose to be a "collector item" of sorts. Nobody at AMT really believed anyone would build one and try to race it.

At any rate, I forwarded a link to John and he passed it onto the designers of the actual kits. So... to that end, I have been very careful about what is said here and that it remain helpful and informational. :)

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 01:22 PM

Jairus, thanks for your thoughtful and thorough report on the AMT kits and their build-up.

And thanks for your diplomatic services between the slot car buyers and racers and the model/slot car manufacturer.

FYI, your artwork is prominently displayed in the current Round2Models Newsletter email (just sent out today).
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 01:30 PM

Really? Cool.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 04:09 PM

FYI: This review turns up in the Google search for AMT Slot cars.

If the chassis KIT was offered as a separate carded item along with secondary cards for 1/24 and 1/32 wheels and tires, then ALL brand kits on the market could be built using the frame. Pricing is the question... A $20 model kit and a $15-20 frame plus other parts is worth HOW MUCH?

I intend to use 1/32 scale wheels and tires from Super Tires for the Batmobile.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:03 PM

All you really need is a suitable hardbody kit and one of these:
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So who makes this chassis? model#? this looks intersting, need more details!

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:04 PM

It's ProTrack, but sadly the chassis has been "on hold" for months.
http://protrackcorp.com/24hardbody.htm

They made a sidewinder version for a while. I don't know if that one is still available.
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 12:04 AM

That Pro Track chassis does look interesting.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 12:20 AM

Jairus,

Any word yet on if Fords or Mopars are in the future for these?
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 07:53 AM

No mention from AMT regarding any second issues. My last conversation with John was with the impression that the first batch would be the only issue. He truly seemed surprised that anyone wanted to build one and thought they would be purchased as a collectable.

I know... it made no sense to me either.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 08:55 AM

Very bizarre reasoning actually. Generally, collectors collect objects that ARE collectible.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:47 AM

here are the next 4 kits coming out

due out 9/30/12
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Due out 11/30/12
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 12:47 PM

No mention from AMT regarding any second issues. My last conversation with John was with the impression that the first batch would be the only issue. He truly seemed surprised that anyone wanted to build one and thought they would be purchased as a collectable.

I know... it made no sense to me either.


If they were meant to be "collector's items" them it seems to me they just should have went on epay and bought several mint 60's AMT kits and just sent them to China and told them to just copy them. :wacko2:
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 02:46 PM

maybe they would have designed them better having known people where acually going to use them and not just be shelf queens?

and what Charles said, i thought thats what these where in the first place, it would be really cool if they repoped the originals.
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 02:50 PM

Sometimes, people do bizarre things. This one is indeed quite bizarre. What a lost opportunity.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 11:06 AM

What i find strange about this whole topic- AMT can produce the same slot car as a kit that i built several years ago. what i made was quick, easy to assemble, and only took a few minutes to have a completely ready to run slot car. Here is what i did- from a slot car website from Las Vegas (?) that is no longer in business, they were selling ProTrack rtr 1/24 hardbody chassis ($40 then) along with your choice of AMT promo model cars ($25ea). I purchased a '57 Chevy, which was completely assembled AND painted. The body is 1 piece, no gluing hood, trunk, or any other parts; interior is a tub type, 1 piece, chassis is 1 piece, front and rear bumper assemblies are each 1 piece. The bumper and chassis assemble together with 1 screw front and back. Unscrew the 2 screws, toss the chassis; screw back on the front and rear bumpers, glue/tape in the interior tub assembly- now a complete, ready to use body. Line up the rtr chassis, mark 2 holes under the interior tub, drill holes in chassis; i used 2 wood screws to attach the chassis to the interior tub (body assembly) and now i have a rtr slot car, painted, assembled, complete, and it works fine!!!

So- what AMT really needs to do: use their existing line of prepainted model kits and/or promo cars, purchase the complete chassis assembly from a company that already makes them (e.g. ProTrack, H&R, Scaleauto, etc), OR pay whoever is pressing out the re-issue AMT brass hardbody 1960s era chassis, add a real 1965 era 36d motor (thousands of nos available), add the rest of the chassis parts, and you have a usable slot car kit that can be collected as well as raced. And can be quickly and easily assembled.

NO need to design a new chassis- there are usable chassis existing. There are prepainted and decorated, even assembled bodies (promos) available within AMT's line. so what's the big deal here anyway at AMT???

the vintage era packaging is right on- perfect!

the model kit bodies- no interiors? glue in the hood? no good decal sheets? : waste of money and effort

the chassis- not usable as is- a complete waste of time and effort.

i am really glad that AMT issued these retro kits, and i hope they do a better job with a different, and usable, chassis design, with better body kit components next time.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:35 PM

AMT sent me a NEW Slot Car kit to review. This time it's an Oldsmobile 442. Came last Friday and it was not until this morning that I figured out a plan for this one!  More on that later...

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At first glance I can see that a lot of great improvements have been made, including aluminum set screw wheels, a nice looking set screw crown gear and some set screw spacers which do away with the difficult "cut your own" spacers.  Most of this is standard slot car fare and I applaud AMT for following suit.  

 

I'll open the box tomorrow morning and get the chassis built. Pictures too of course. 


Stay tuned this week for updates on my "modified" version.  cool.png

 

Because I plan to add bits from the Revell "Hurst Hairy Olds" in order to build a proper drag car this time. (2 new drag tracks just opened up in my area and I wann'a play!)

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:37 PM

Good for AMT for improving them.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:01 AM

Jairus do you have any pictures of your first AMT kit in this post that are of the finished car?  We'd love too see it.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:35 AM

That's because I never got it finished Joe. I sent it to AMT for them to examine the modifications, or more specifically the guide mounting modification. And I just received it back on Friday with the new kit.

The body is painted and mounted but no bumpers, glass or decals yet. Hope to find time to finish it up over the holidays.

 

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:39 AM

I'm curious.  Who do they feel is the potential market for these kits?



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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:37 AM

I guess I never asked.

 

But sales of the first run are selling so well that they made vast improvements in the next run. So... there is a market out there after-all!

 

I am uploading pictures and feel that this one just might make a good class for running the flat track!


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:48 AM

Okay, I opened the box and took some pictures. First the parts, then my opinions on some of the changes followed by the build up.
Should get this done today sometime. smile.png

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As before, the parts are arrayed out under the box top and packaged below in little plastic bags.

Window glass is both kit stock and vacuum formed tinted. (The latter eliminating the need for an interior.)

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Decals are of course BEAUTIFUL!!!!  Whom ever designs these (I think it's John G. himself) should do a line of decals aftermarket in my opinion. Because I would love to have extra sheets of all the Slot Car kit decals for other projects.

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Chrome tree seems a bit empty. Probably because this is an old mold from one of the AMT model kits where they only run plastic through the body, chrome and clear.  Wheels and extra parts are blocked off.  But... no worries. I have some great plans for this one.

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Stay tuned as the build up is next!


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:30 PM

Jarius - I have great admiration for you painting and model building skills, but the screw heads through the body sides look awful, (in my humble opinion).  Please consider Velcro or H&R button mounts.   :)


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:30 PM

The assembly:

 

All four wheels are now set screw and cleanly made. An allen wrench is provided to tighten.

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Guide still remains two piece with "assemble yourself" brushes.

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Allen set screw is same size as the industry standard! Way to go AMT!  smile.png

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Wheel inside measures about .575.

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Assembled wheel measure 1" dia. exactly.

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The motor goes together same as before, screwing the adaptor to the motor and then fitting the NEW brass gear. (previous was plastic)
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But... found a problem. The armature shaft seems to drag slightly on the adaptor.  I tried to reposition the adaptor and then tighten the screws but it still touched the shaft. Even swapping the screws and turning the adaptor around didn't help.

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So.... 2 minutes on the drill press with a step-drill provided a solution. Unfortunately it's a solution that should not be needed.

But then... I might have simply gotten a bad adaptor so no judgments. Just reporting.

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Now we're cooking!  cool.png

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Onward! 


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:56 PM

Continuing the assembly... I got the motor pod assembled. Gear is slightly wobbly with out the set screw. This creates a slight not-concetric rotation for the gear. But after a minute of running gets quieter and quieter since aluminum is softer than is the brass pinion. The more it works the smoother it becomes. 

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Wheels fit the axles with no wobble. Very clean tight fit and the set screw provides a good hold. But... the axles are about .0001 smaller than an industry standard 1/8th drill blank axle so replacing them will require some mill work.

The bearings are the same nylon and no problem. Cox, Monogram and Classic used these during the vintage years so no drama there.

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Now we have a roller.

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Brushes go together same as before.  I suggest soldering the braids to the brass clips... or replacing them entirely. But.... I managed to follow the directions with one change...

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The only change from the directions was soldering the wires directly to the brush clips.

Other than that... the above chassis is build directly from the directions.

One last thing to note is the guide nut. While the nut is same as in any Parma guide package.... the threads are not. For some reason the shaft diameter is smaller or for whatever reason but the guide nut will not remain tight.  As before, I would suggest changing out the guide and crown gear for better Parma items. But that would be all I would change with this version. 

 

That is saying something!

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Now... time to mount the body.
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