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#51 Jairus

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 12:15 PM

Update:
We were suppose to take the cars to Pelican Park Raceway for a photoshoot with the cars on the track last wednesday. That would have given the guys a chance to test them on the track and set up a date for the first of 3 races. But... the weather didn't cooperate at all. Freezing temperatures, freezing rain and 5 inches of snow canceled the race.  
The cold snap is over finally as of yesterday, so the plan is to go down to Eugene this coming Wednesday.  Race date will be announced along with some pictures of the cars on that beautiful scale track. 

The cars in the paddock waiting for a chance to stretch their muscles.
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The nice little hand made car display stand in the back will be awarded to the winner of this series. :-)
Hope to take and post some studio pictures along with specifications this week. 
So stay tuned!
 


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 12:50 PM

Good luck to all the Goodwood Proxy racers!! :good: Great picture Jairus ! The cars look sooo cool sitting there together :D


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 03:58 PM

:good:  Thank you  Jairus

 

and good luck


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 12:16 PM

Hi Jairus,

 

Nice to see that group of hand carved beauties. :victory:

 

Looks like I changed my cars number from 4 to 14 for nothing. I made the change at the request of a non-registered number 4 car from Europe. It is not in the lineup......"Much Ado About Nothing"  :scratch_one-s_head:

 

Perhaps I can remove that "1" decal I applied so Rodney and I can be team numbers 3 & 4 again.

 

Thanks for the update Jairus :good:

 

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 11:29 PM

It must go without saying that I'm very happy and excited to see this event get started  :)

 

All the cars look awesome and whether they win, place or draw everyone deserves much praise and should be very proud of their hard work and efforts, as well as their patience and endurance :D  

 

Big thanks must go to Jairus for taking on the arduous task of of organizing and running the 
Proxy. Carry on Soldier, carry on... :clapping:

 

 Thanks indeed for the carved wooden Trophy base too, a very fitting tribute!  For the winner that will remain a handsome reminder of the event and point of conversation for years to come  :good:  

 

I wish all the entrants the best for a safe and competitive race, rain, snow or shine  :victory:

 

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:34 AM

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In no particular order, the cars were tested on the local track.
Yesterdays race at Pelican Park was canceled because neither of the guys I was going with wanted to make the trip. So... we had a bunch of racers tonight test all the cars on the Edgewater Raceway track and the unofficial results are as follows.

Car 3, 10, 14, 22 all preformed beautifully!  Ran smoothly with fair to no brakes but good handling and smoother than I expected. Best runners were the two yellow beasts by Rick Thigpen in my opinion. But, we haven't run the race YET!
Car 11 a little less... probably due to the narrower rear tires.  But no problems with it other than cornering. Smooth and quick.
Car 77 wouldn't go due to the tire on one side touching the chassis. (Sorry Jaak, will fix it)
Car 7 was fantastic for being built nearly 50 years ago!  Not as fast as the first four but handled just as well on those vintage tires which shocked me.
Car 1... vile!
Truing up a set of Ortmann tires to replace those vintage Monogram Tiger pieces of cr*p for the next test run but I have no illusions to winning in any way shape or form.
 

 

Probably won't hold the first round till after the holidays.  But stay tuned.


(As for Rick T. I now hate you! :treaten: )


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 08:11 AM

thank you for this information Jairus

I am very happy in the photo, I'm in front of Rick :dance3:
But I think this will change in the race  :(


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:28 PM

Hi Jairus,
 
Thanks for the update. It's fun to follow along with the process.

 

 

 

 ......Best runners were the two yellow beasts by Rick Thigpen in my opinion. But, we haven't run the race YET!

 

I agree Jairus, anything can happen in a race!

 

It's too bad we didn't have a bigger turnout so we could have separated the GP's from the Sports Cars. It's understandable though. Carving a body is not easy!

 

It's been a long time since this all started so I want to show Rodney's vintage hand carved California style Sports Racer / Hot Rod that started this Proxy:

 

 

 

Is this a cool vintage slot car or what? :sun_bespectacled: The body is hand-carved WOOD!

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My buddy Rodney sent me these pictures of his latest build. Here's his story about the car:

I just completed another 1/24 scale wood-bodied slot car. A one-off 1963 Cash Spl. The late Ron Cash carved the body out of balsa wood.

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The R/D chassis was assembled from a new kit.

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It's Revel-Pittman RP77 powered.

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The car drives great. Eric was really surprised how fast the car is. The balsa body weighs very little. The chassis has a very low center of gravity. The Cash Spl. body has great style and is reminiscent of the many American V8 powered specials I saw in the '60s.


Maybe Rodney will send me a little info on the late Ron Cash that I can pass on. It's obvious he was quite a craftsman.

Hope you guys enjoy the pics. :)

 

That car inspired us to make our cars "BEASTS" just like Old Yeller II that terrorized the expensive foreign sports cars in West Coast road racing:

 

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Man I love that car. Look at those WHITE WALL TIRES!

 

OOH OOH! :D

 

Jairus.........now don't shoot me but..........not being much of a wood carver but loving the old Pittman's and such..............the first thing I thought of when this Proxy was discussed was..............ANOTHER PROXY! :shok: :laugh2: :crazy: :dance3:

 

I know what you're thinking, :shok:  But before you pull the trigger, let me tell you what came to mind:

 

Quite simply, it's the same mechanical rules as the Good Wood Proxy but with say model kit, mid 60's and older, front engine sports cars. Perhaps two classes, Over 2 Liter and Under 2 Liter. :dance3:

 

The idea would be to recreate the "fiberglass body" era of slot racing. Those bodies are rare but hard plastic model kits are available and would be a good substitute me thinks. :crazy:


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 12:51 PM

Our those knock-offs meant to cut your opponents tires ala James Bond?  ^_^


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 01:26 PM

That's vintage! :)


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 10:41 AM

It's only been 6 days that the Concours post has been up and we have a grand total of ..... 3 votes.  We'll leave it up for the duration of all three races and I only want members of that forum to vote since none of them have "dogs in the fight" and being modelers, they understand what goes into scratch building.  I will stay on them till we have at least 25 votes total.

I really don't want any of the racers joining and voting please. Let's leave this one up to the greater unwashed. (Just wish they would get over the "slotcar" stigma most static modelers have.)

 

 

All the cars have been tested and we are almost ready.  Jaak's car still is experiencing some rear tire contact with the body so I will fix and test again tonight.
My car runs and handles much better now with trued up tires but the gear mesh is not as smooth yet. Those bevel gears need to get worked in.  Probably put it on the test bench for a while till it quiets up.

However, I have no illusions of running even close to Rick's and Rodney's cars.  For some reason those machines are fantastic even with-out a chassis pan.

Personally, I would have thought them to roll over on their tops at each corner.

But I think we are ready. Taking all the cars to the track tonight and will get the first race planned.  Maybe Saturday afternoon if the other drivers are willing.


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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:02 PM

Cars look amazing Jairus :good: :D  Sounds like the DC65 powered cars are gonna be a force to be reckoned with!

 

Good luck to all competitors & cars :) Look forward to reading the results of each race & how each car goes, really interested to see how your Maserati & Bruces Merc run..



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:41 PM

Bruces Mercedes already runs rings about my car.

I have absolutely no faith in the performance of the Maserati.

 

If I had to do it all over again... I would have done what Rod and Rick did and go fantasy, lower the C.G. and use a huge torque motor with a wide track and longer wheel base.  Because that seems to have done well for them.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 11:24 AM

Okay, we have a first race date set for Next Thursday night at Edgewater Raceway.
Wish us all luck because these cars are not easy to drive.  I just hope there are no accidents or damage...
Full report on Friday next.

That is all.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 12:06 PM

Flexi racers driving balsa wood bodied vintage cars at ten tenths as if they were made of steel and lexan............a terrifying thought! :shok:

 

Jairus, please tell them that eight tenths is fast enough. :)


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 12:23 PM

You are more than welcome to come up here and help drive.  :victory:


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 12:55 PM

 

Wish us all luck because these cars are not easy to drive.  I just hope there are no accidents or damage...

 

I appreciate everyone's participation in the event and I thank them all in advance. :thank_you2:  It's just that car's like your Maserati and the other beauties are works of art to say the least......... :) 


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 04:06 PM

I made a suggestion offline to Jairus some some time ago about running them in a Time Trial fashion rather than heat racing, and I still think it should be worthy of consideration. 

 

In this case it seems almost appropriate, same as they do the real priceless vintage autos they "race" at the 1:1 Goodwood Festival of Speed  :).

 

Sure they might hit a few hay bails going "up the hill", but at least there wouldn't be any multi-car pile ups :shok:

 

Would this not be a viable option :pardon: ?

 

 


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 05:27 PM

I say, let them pile up! 

 

As Rocky/Professor Fate always said, "they're all doomed".... 

 

And if you can get one of the local drivers to nerf Rick's car, I'll send him some good French chocolate... 

 

Cheers, 

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 05:40 PM

 

I say, let them pile up!

 

:laugh2:  Well Don, I'm not so worried about Rodney and my team cars or your vintage battle scared warrior but the other 5 entries are really works of art. :wub:

 

 

......running them in a Time Trial fashion rather than heat racing......

 

Bruce, this is what we'll be doing with the R&C Proxy. The cars will be driven by the same great driver, on the same lane, on the same day. The best times and driving impressions will be recorded. A tech sheet similar to the originals in the magazine will also be provided.

 

Please consider building a car for that event. It's going to be a hoot! :good:


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 07:57 PM

Yeah, I am strongly considering that prospect Bruce.
The first race will determine how the following two races will be held. But a time trial of 2 minutes on each lane with total laps recorded makes a lot of sense.
Although I doubt a race held with 4 cars on the track at the same time would be much different.
 


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 07:59 PM

... but what I do know is that I am making plans to build a much better car! Because I had more fun building than I did planning a race.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 08:18 PM

What car are you looking at making next Jairus? Any ideas yet? :)



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Posted 11 January 2014 - 08:31 PM

... but what I do know is that I am making plans to build a much better car! Because I had more fun building than I did planning a race.

 

What car are you looking at making next Jairus? Any ideas yet? :)

 

Rodney and I are in the middle of building mechanically the same era of slot car but with a model kit body. Kind of a tribute to the fiberglass body era. They will be front engine racers from the mid 60's and earlier.

 

So far, mine is a 289 Cobra for the over 3 liter class and possibly and MGB for the under 3 liter class. Fun stuff!


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 08:39 PM

Same rules. Balsa wood construction, pre-1965, open can motors. That sort of stuff.

But this time lower, slightly wider and DC65X powered.
Because I really like making laps in those wonderful machines Rod and Rick built. 

 

No rules other than that. No scale under chassis clearances either.
And... no specifically replicated cars. Fantasy all the way!


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 08:45 PM

Hey Jairus, any chance you'd open it up to the many non-wood carvers by using model kit bodies?


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 08:50 PM

It's not a proxy race. I am done with those.

And... I might even use a model kit body myself. Got tons of them in storage from my static model building days. 
Some pretty rare.

 

289 Cobra you say huh?  Pretty short wheelbase dude....  :laugh2:


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 09:37 PM

Yes, but I just love this first racing Cobra. Slab sided with wire wheels and a little racing windscreen:

 

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It's also got a short nose so a short guide lead.  :o

 

The great builder-racer Russ Toy got a hard body 427 Cobra racer to run absolutely fantastic. I know it can be done.....whether I can do it remains to be seen. :laugh2:


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 10:21 PM

That's going to be an interesting build Rick :good: :) Any thoughts on powerplant for the little Cobra?

 

Looks like there's been some more votes in the Concours :good: Love Don's original find !



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Posted 11 January 2014 - 10:32 PM

Yeah, I had to put a pity post up linking to the proxy in order to drive those scale builders to actually take part.

Some of them are soooo narrow minded that they won't build or even look at something out of their interest zone.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 10:34 PM

Rick,

How about Vintage NASCAR 1960 to 1965?  Big bodies, big motors and lots of guide lead. Bet we can get one of those DC-65x motors to push the car around the track at six seconds eventually.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 10:39 PM

Yeah, I had to put a pity post up linking to the proxy in order to drive those scale builders to actually take part.

Some of them are soooo narrow minded that they won't build or even look at something out of their interest zone.

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmm................perhaps we're showing our wares to the wrong audience. Do we need some slot car builders to chime in?


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 10:43 PM

Rick,

How about Vintage NASCAR 1960 to 1965?  Big bodies, big motors and lots of guide lead. Bet we can get one of those DC-65x motors to push the car around the track at six seconds eventually.

 

Jairus, that sounds fun. The front and especially the rear track would have to be narrow to fit inside those bodies. I don't mind as I personally think that was an awesome era for NASCAR.

 

You can even fit a big DC85 in one those! :)


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 11:56 PM

 


I say, let them pile up! 

As Rocky/Professor Fate always said, "they're all doomed".... 

And if you can get one of the local drivers to nerf Rick's car, I'll send him some good French chocolate... 

Cheers, 

Don 

Hey, line 'em up!
I knew going in what they would be in for and am still willing to give it a go. I trust the big Merc is overbuilt enough to withstand the rigors of racing, and fully trust it's handling too  :D. As I told fellow racers at BPR all during the build, any dents or dings encountered in the racing would only add to it's story :good:  
I do honestly fear an overly anxious Marshall as much as I do the racers themselves though :mega_shok:
 
 

 

 Bruce, this is what we'll be doing with the R&C Proxy. The cars will be driven by the same great driver, on the same lane, on the same day. The best times and driving impressions will be recorded. A tech sheet similar to the originals in the magazine will also be provided.

 

Please consider building a car for that event. It's going to be a hoot!  :good:

 

I would love to Rick, thanks for the invite!

I've built a Sports car to D3 specs , but really been wanting to do an early version F1 too. The work seen on them in the

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 blog so far has been awesome and inspiring! 

Trouble is, about the only thing I have in stock for a build is a Russkit motor bracket and the K&S brass. For sure I'll look into it. Maybe my buddy Jimmy Bling can help out :sun_bespectacled: .


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 11:24 AM

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmm................perhaps we're showing our wares to the wrong audience. Do we need some slot car builders to chime in?

I am not sure how you can suggest that. These are pure modelers who delight in the details while they create dust collectors.  They're the perfect audience I think. They have no dogs in the fight and can be totally objective.
Yes I am a member over there, but not as well known as I used to be. So I doubt that my name (and I almost left off the builders names) holds any water there.  Besides, I was kicked off once because of my political views.

And... I did NOT post a build thread over there yet so as to not effect the outcome.

But I will later.

 


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 12:13 PM

I am not sure how you can suggest that................

 

 

Well...........actually, I thought you were becoming frustrated with them:

 

Yeah, I had to put a pity post up linking to the proxy in order to drive those scale builders to actually take part.

Some of them are soooo narrow minded that they won't build or even look at something out of their interest zone.

 

But I gladly differ to your good judgment and vast modeling experience :good:

 

Onward :)


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 06:18 PM

We have a bit over 20 votes so far.  I'll keep reminding and posting links to the cars in various sections of the forum.
Some of those guys don't go further than their favorite sections.
 

 

On another completely unrelated subject. I dug through some of my stored model car kits and found a very nice 1964 Galaxie 500 body and bumpers.

Also have one set of Ulrich steel wheel rims and looking for another set on eBay.
But all searches for a Pittman DC-65X motor have so far come up empty.
Any one out there have one to spare or trade for?
 


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 06:37 PM

Hi Jairus,

 

I've got an extra DC-65X (6-volt) motor I can spare.

 

Also, just a thought, you could use resin or model kit wheels as inserts in Russkit set screw wheels instead of the threaded and expensive Ulrich wheels.

 

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 07:12 PM

Rick,

How about Vintage NASCAR 1960 to 1965?  Big bodies, big motors and lots of guide lead. Bet we can get one of those DC-65x motors to push the car around the track at six seconds eventually.

That sounds like fun.

:)


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 07:28 PM

The hard body NASCARs sound FUN :D

 

Just found these on epay Jairus, if they would work? Bigger O.D than the I.D of the Riggen repop wheels but only being resin you could probably sand the diameter down easily,

 

 

Just $5 for pair of fronts & pair of rears , resin kit steel wheels, the seller has Halibrand & others available.

 

Resin Steels

 

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Btw I've seen a few pairs of NOS Ulrich wheels of the Halibrand type & they are often $50-75 , only ever seen one pair of Ulrich steels before and they went for at least $80 :shok:

 

That Galaxy is going to make a sweet NASCAR :good: :D

 

 



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Posted 13 January 2014 - 07:58 PM

Tom Anderson wheel inserts:

 

http://home.comcast....lsandresin.html


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 08:43 PM

We have a bit over 20 votes so far.  I'll keep reminding and posting links to the cars in various sections of the forum

 

 As of right now, depending on how you read and interpret them (some seem not to be able to simply vote once by car or post number as per your instructions)  there is a total of only 14 votes.

 

Sure, exclude the entrants, but I myself would rather be judged objectively by our peers here on Slotblog and the members of Slotforum (remember there is still an active post about this Proxy race on that site :D ). 
IMHO these people have a much better understanding of what Concours means when related to a slot car event.
 
I also think since the drivers will get to touch and feel each entry up close, they should get a vote too. In fact, for a truly objective ballot add them all up, the more voters the better.

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 09:14 PM

Oh..... I suspect you will win anyway Bruce. 
But I will consider putting a like voting poll up here and on FOLM.  Not Slotforum tho. None of the members there finished a car and some even took offense and dropped out. I have hardly been on SF since then.

Rick, I will accept your motor in trade for a paint job. Is that fair?


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 09:27 PM

Tom Anderson wheel inserts:

 

http://home.comcast....lsandresin.html

 

Rick - I really like those inserts; what size are they?  (wheel opening)


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 09:32 PM

Hi James,

 

Eyeballing the picture I believe they are the same size as the repop Russkit wheel inserts shown. That would make them .500" in diameter. We should email Tom and make sure though. :)


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 09:34 PM

Rick, I will accept your motor in trade for a paint job. Is that fair?

No Jairus, that's too much. I'd need to include some other goodies for a full paint job. PM me and we can work it out. :)


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 11:33 AM

All the cars will be at the track 4:00pm today.

We will run the race as soon as we get 4 drivers and enough people to marshal.
The plan is to coax the cars around the track in round-robin style, 4 two minute heats per car in each of the 4 lanes. Total laps determine the winner. Our normal race night is tonight at 6. I am going early in order to clean the track surface so all the rubber tires have equal footing. (Visited last night and after a week of running on it... it's pretty dirty and way too much glue.)

What's a good cleaner by the way?  Windex?


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 11:54 AM

Great news Jairus,

 

We always use lighter fluid, or some derivative that comes in large cans (kerosene? gas?), but not sure what that would be in the States - Last time I cleaned my local track in Chicago was 45+ years ago, and I must admit I don't remember what I used...

 

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:14 PM

That's great news Jairus, hope the drivers have some fun with them :) .

 

Probably too late, I just checked in at 7 PM CST/5 PM PST, but popular track cleaners I know of are..

 

Coleman stove "white" gas or straight Naphtha, which is the cheapest as it is sold by the gallon.

 

Zippo or Ronsenal lighter fluid is the same, but much more expensive in the little cans.

 

Clean the track with a rag soaked in fluid, then wipe until dry with clean rags.

 

Note: Use with adequate ventilation and self protection or else... :crazy:


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 01:37 AM

What a night.
Not sure I want to carry this race on for another round.
 

The podium.
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Rodney took it by two laps over Ricks entry followed by Bruce and then Régis in 4th.

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The breakout was pretty much what I expected after testing all the cars. 
What I didn't expect was found out in the first heat.
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In the first heat we had Régis, Jairus, Don and Nicolas Cavoleau's car running.
Don's car beat the other three by one lap at 11 total with the rest running almost a dead even 10 laps.  It was almost magical watching all those hand made vintage F1 open wheeled cars magically power sliding through the turns they were that close together.

But.... the magic went poof pretty quick.
Second heat Bob got the Maserati 250f on the red lane and busted it.

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The Rogues gallery of drivers......
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Left to right: Bob Schafer my nemesis, Paul Painter the builder of this track and heck of a nice guy, Lightning Larry who builds vintage 1/1 racing cars (with his finger up his nose), and Dave Smith who has been in this hobby since... well, forever!

Yes, Bob rolled my car three times on the banked turn.  Didn't matter that I warned him time and time again to BE CAREFUL!!!
So... my car got a DNF... but it took him three wrecks to knock off the wheel. But it can be fixed and no major damage to the body other than my pride.
Ran better than I expected anyway.

 

On to the performance. 
Bruces car was very predictable as were the Rod and Rick entries. (no surprise)
Nicolas Cavoleau's  machine handled way better than I expected. The motor just didn't have the power to overcome that vintage machine Don found on eBay for some reason.
That darned vintage #7 car ran really well!  I really expected it to bomb.... but it drifted with smooth prediction and was blistering down the straight.
Régis' #22 had a great sound as it ran the bank. I could almost hear that open header in-line 4 crackle as it passed.... 

 

Okay.... the damage.
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Jaak's #77 lost it's drivers head and the mirror which were saved and will be in place upon return or the next race, whichever comes first.

 

We also had a bit of a problem with the wheel and tire choice Jaak picked.
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Seems they had a nasty habit of popping off the rim. Really effected the lap times I think.

 

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Of course there were a few times when the cars traded paint......

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No noticeable damage to #7, #22 or #11.
So... do we want to continue to race or is everyone satisfied?
I have another race scheduled for Monday the 27th at a local club track. Smaller venue with no long straight this time. Same drivers... and all cars will be repaired by that time.

But I already have a buyer ready to take the Maserati 250f off my hands provided I can fix it...

So I am happy with the results so far and I await the response of the other 7 entrants.
Let it ride or.... do we quit?

 

Respectfully submitted.


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