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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:21 PM

Excellent!  That must be the sliding weight that Philippe talked about. Thank you Rick!
 

That body looks like a Porsche 908 Spyder to me.
But it gives me an idea for the paint.

Anyone have a clue about colors now?  Dark blue and yellow maybe?


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:40 PM

Super. That's it.

I thought he was fully "Bloomed" out.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:52 PM

The middle color looks like it could be a fade of some sort? Maybe Yellow to orange type fade perhaps?

 

All I know is the start of the chassis looks beautiful with all that brass :D plus whatever color you lay down is going to be amazing :good:



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Posted 16 August 2013 - 11:10 PM

Well, speaking of brass...
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All the necessary bits have been soldered and wire wrapped.  I wish I could dump it into the tumbler.... but that would take off the Champion flat black paint on the can.... so.... steel wool will have to suffice during construction.

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Hopefully tomorrow I can get some of the motor stuff assembled.  :aggressive:


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 11:26 PM

Looking good :sun_bespectacled:  will be great to see this finished and what magic you can work on the paintjob :good:



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Posted 17 August 2013 - 01:05 AM

Excellent!  That must be the sliding weight that Philippe talked about. Thank you Rick!
 

That body looks like a Porsche 908 Spyder to me.
But it gives me an idea for the paint.

Anyone have a clue about colors now?  Dark blue and yellow maybe?

Hello Jairus. Ed let me drive that car prior to a large race in Cincinnati. The body paint, as I recall, was almost a Sunoco theme with the traditional blue and yellow. Ed dominated the race on the particular track that day in Mt. Washington, an eastern suburb of Cincinnati. The car was smooth and planted, quite a bit of an engineering feat for the day.


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:18 AM

Got the endbell together this morning. Starting on the magnet and shim grinding next.
Clearance on the (clearance clarence) brush tube is going to be tight. No wonder Ed suggested spring insulation.
JK has some non-conductive springs. Maybe I should try those?!?!?!

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Still searching for a likely body.  My first thought was that it's a Dynamic Porsche Spyder due to the spread of the intake stacks and placement of the gas cap.  Still might be, but the rear spoiler seems smooth across the back with no dip in the middle.
Dynamic Abarth is the same way but with no gas cap present.

Stay tuned...


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:39 AM

Now... before I start the long task of grinding magnets.
I'd like to thank everyone who helped yesterday providing various bits of information, Tom Hansen, Bill Fernald, Rick Thigpen and especially Dennis Sampson. All of you provided a needed nugget of information and THIS forum is indeed the best "clubhouse" on the internet and you guys are the "gang" worth hanging out with.  THANK YOU!!!!

You too Greg, for watching over all of us dude, thank you!


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:55 AM

Your welcome Jairus :)

 

I'm looking at my summer 1970 Auto World catalog and the picture of the Dynamic 1534 and 3534 Porsche 917 roadster looks like a good possibility. I don't know if those have been repoped and I don't have an original.


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:04 PM

Rick, I got one!  Victor has been re-popping that Dynamic body and I have a fresh one currently being stored in a vintage Dynamic box correctly marked "Porsche Spyder".

Also have Marklin yellow train wire, black styrene driver figure and a nice Jet Flag.  
Only thing I need now is...... time.

 


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:11 PM

Make sure it's not the Porsche 908 Spyder. I have an original and Victors repop of that. It's a later 917 version. Mike Morrissey put a wing on one in the Dec. 1969 MRJ.


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 01:20 PM

Here's the article Jaiurs:

 

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 01:25 PM

Well that's a bummer.  I knew the rear spoiler didn't have a dip in it.  Guess I need to start looking for a vintage 917 body.
Thanks buddy for the information.

:) 


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 02:50 PM

Ed was Team Champion then, not Dynamic.......

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 07:32 PM

Tom, I understand and realize. BUT... not many manufacturers are re-popping Champion bodies. And that Porsche 917 (Champion or Dynamic) is not currently available. So, my only option is to use the Dynamic body unless one pops up miraculously.

As for the motor building. 
Got the magnet ground out so the axle spins freely.  Arm is in the can and turning smoothly so.... next step is to cut down the arm shaft on both ends, install some brushes, springs and see if it runs! 


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 09:04 PM

I don't think I've ever "quoted" myself before but...............
 

You're using period parts and I think that is what matters. We can't always find the exact part but making the effort to get as close as you can is what counts in my book.


We do what we can and you're doing great Jairus :good: :)


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:08 PM

Low and behold... Victor has one!  He said it's currently not showing on the catalogue but he'll send me one of those 917's that looks just like the Ed Lewis body you posted.  Says he thinks it's Dynamic and not Champion. But at this point I really don't care that much.
I'll get the paint as close as possible and it'll look BOSS!

Got the motor together and it runs beautifully! Sure I must'ave screwed something up along the way.... and the axle wants to knock the spring off it's perch when I slide it home.  

I think this is my LAST sidewinder for a loooonnng time.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 02:04 PM

The Waters/Champion M8 body is available from Eagle distributing, not sure of the manufacturer..... Item # CH3111

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:31 PM

Tom,
Pretty sure that by 1970 racers were using whatever body was hot regardless of manufacturer.  Proof already has been given that Ed used a Dynamic Porsche body... so that's what I plan to mount on this chassis.

Speaking of the chassis.
We have a roller!
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Brush spring on the axle side (side?) needed a lot of adjustment besides the "spring insulation" Ed noted, in order to make things work.
I had to put a major kink in the spring, carve out the brush tube AND radius the brush in order to provide clearance for the axle and sleeve.
Holy cow! 
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Track testing begins Tuesday.
Body is on it's way and updates as they happen.

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Till I get some paint on the body... later dudes!  :wink2:


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:47 PM

Beautiful car!   :good:


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 11:54 PM

Jairus,

 

Beautiful car!

 

I have a question. In post #1 you showed the arm you intended to use in this project. Was that the arm used in the final product?

 

The arm in post #1 is timed to go clockwise (very possibly a Lenz) but your car is built for a counter clockwise rotating arm. Did I miss something?

 

I'm confused :crazy: :wacko2:


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:58 AM

Well now... that is a mildly disappointing.  :dash2: 

I spent so much attention on the chassis and axle clearance that I never even noticed the timing.  In my defense.... the motor sounds equally the same running forward and backward. But... I've got other arms here and it's an easy swap.
Thanks for the sharp eye Doug. :) 


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 01:34 PM

How did you shoehorn so many wires into the flag holes ? :)

Those donuts look fresh enough to eat :good:  

That is ultra-cool, Jairus, I can't wait to see the best part-the PAINT :D


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:34 PM

Well, here are a few of the vintage arms I picked for this project based on wind and looks.  #1 and #2 I choose because of the pan type drill bit used to balance the arm, which match those used on my stock Champion Orange Picker motor.  Unfortunately, I picked the wrong one.
#3 is marked RehCo #24s
#4 is marked #24s and is probably also a RehCo.
 

 

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Paul, I drilled a second set of holes in the guide. Then twisted the wires together in pairs.  Was pretty easy actually.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:53 PM

Aha, I knew there had to be a trick to the wires :)

 

Jairus, on the arm timing subject, just because the attachment points for the wires appears to be oriented slightly towards the "wrong" direction, I would not lose one minute of sleep over it. The comm slots may be different.

1. It looks like "Mild" advance anyway.

2. You said yourself she sounds about the same in either direction.

3. Small amounts of reverse timing sometimes result in more torque at the expense of high RPM's.

If she runs cool and strong in her current configuration, I'd call it a success.

I wonder if Doug agrees, or disagrees with me ? :)


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