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#1 Gator Bob

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 11:40 PM

Something I've been messing with.

 

All NOS parts.

 

Tasks to complete:

  1. Install bracket for com. wet wiper.
  2. Add body mounts
  3. True rear tires
  4. Find a set of matching fronts (or change rears)
  5. Send body out for paint
  6. Mount body
  7. Fill fuel tank with Nitromethane / horn Castor Oil mix   :good:
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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:10 AM

:) That brings back some memories. Is that a Pitman or a Kemtron? Never seen one of those com wet wipes. It looks like a great idea. That reminds me, I need to get to work on my Ram 222 car. I have all the stuff just not the time. Maybe if I hide my laptop from myself. LOL!!! :sarcastic_hand:


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:25 AM

What are you going to use for a body?
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Posted 29 January 2014 - 10:01 AM

Hey Red, that is Kemtron power. :bb:  I think you're too busy prepping cars and winning races but .... make some room on the bench for the 222

 

Joe, I set the wheelbase and track width for a  :secret:  1963 Plymouth Valiant 2dr body bought from Pattos.   


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 10:34 AM

hey gator,

 

Your Kemtron powered brass chassis is really the most. Show us the way to make the fine wire straight contacts from lamp cord innards or lead wire. Love it!

 

Shakey George

 

P.S. What voltage class ?



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 12:53 PM

Very cool. Ditch that Rannalli guide and plastic spur. Just my opinion

 

Why not go with an AWB hard body like these. Rear wheel wells moved forward on both. These are a real hoot to race. They wheelie to about half track and then settle down softly like a real car.

 

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How about a proxy race for drag cars. Four classes, scratchbuilt chassis, store bought chassis, Big motors like DC85, Ram 857 et al and another class for DC65,any Kemtron etc.  No holds barred on motor mods, anything goes, run what you brung. Every part must be vintage.  Anybody?


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 05:47 PM

No holds barred on motor mods ??? I'm game .



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 06:56 PM

...How about a proxy race for drag cars. Four classes, scratchbuilt chassis, store bought chassis, Big motors like DC85, Ram 857 et al and another class for DC65,any Kemtron etc.  No holds barred on motor mods, anything goes, run what you brung. Every part must be vintage.  Anybody?

Me and Proxy deadlines have been an "issue" the last few years...but I figure I'd better do something with my old junk.  Uncle Fred (Correnti) is a wealth of information on the old magwinders.  I've always wanted one but they cost an arm and leg and another arm these days.

 

Vintage AMT 40 Willys flip front Gasser and a vintage Revell Fiat

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Old funky Aurora 1934 Fords from 1962 or 3

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 07:22 PM

Bob, I'm with you on obtaining a complete Magwinder, on the cusp of unobtanium. I have one and a half unfinished Magwinders from the 60's. Not mine, somebody else started them. Been a dream of mine to complete them. They need so much work and I'm currently not up to all that drilling,filing etc.

 

Love your body choices. Willys and Fiat are AMT and currently available for trim pieces etc. Those Aurora Fords are very rare. If you have the whole kit don't pirate the bodies, if not, who cares. Go ahead and use them.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 07:48 PM

Maybe re-think a Proxy drag race. Can't remember the details other than to just get the story started but perhaps Howie had a car disqualified in a big, maybe Car/Model, proxy race not because it was illegal but was way faster than it was supposed to be. Details just not clear but maybe occurred in 1966 or 67.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:02 PM

Just for fun, no real strict rules. Heads up run what ya brung. Fastest car in class wins. Simple as that. I think Sandy had a 1/32 drag car with a Ferrari body disqualified as well. Much faster than anything else, just did not pass tech. Maybe that's the car you are thinking of Don.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:29 PM

I like the proxy idea. No track prep, toggle switch even start!!

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:29 PM

Joe,

 

You may be right, Sandy and Howie were sort of...twins at that time. I just mentioned the story hoping someone did remember all the details.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 11:22 PM

Wow ... lots of interest in vintage drags.

 

This is what I was thinking.... a Ramchargers 413 powered SS/SA pushbutton (left thumb :good:)  Mopar lightweight.

Pattos list this body as a 1963 but it really is a 62.

1962 predates the AWB A/FX class creation in NHRA by one year, the new models would be on the dealers showroom in the Sept. time frame. That would make the 62 Valiant available in Sept. of 1961. :victory:

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hey gator,

 

Your Kemtron powered brass chassis is really the most. Show us the way to make the fine wire straight contacts from lamp cord innards or lead wire. Love it!

 

Shakey George

 

P.S. What voltage class ?

George,

I think I know what you're saying and I will go for it ... yes it will get the WireGator treatment ... love the idea and thanks for the inspiration.

 

Class... LOL... I've been told I have none.

Voltage ... low ..  local 1000 footer is 14.8 IIRC

 

Very cool. Ditch that Rannalli guide and plastic spur. Just my opinion

 

Why not go with an AWB hard body like these. Rear wheel wells moved forward on both. These are a real hoot to race. They wheelie to about half track and then settle down softly like a real car.

 

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How about a proxy race for drag cars. Four classes, scratchbuilt chassis, store bought chassis, Big motors like DC85, Ram 857 et al and another class for DC65,any Kemtron etc.  No holds barred on motor mods, anything goes, run what you brung. Every part must be vintage.  Anybody?

Joe,

It's a Revell gear, I wanted to use 64p Weldun but tooo wide.

Cool cars you have there !

 

Proxy ... ??? :shok:  :clapping:

 

Me and Proxy deadlines have been an "issue" the last few years...but I figure I'd better do something with my old junk.  Uncle Fred (Correnti) is a wealth of information on the old magwinders.  I've always wanted one but they cost an arm and leg and another arm these days.

 

Vintage AMT 40 Willys flip front Gasser and a vintage Revell Fiat

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Old funky Aurora 1934 Fords from 1962 or 3

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EBD, Looks like a great headstart for some 'nifty' hardbody cars :crazy:

 

I like the proxy idea. No track prep, toggle switch even start!!

Toggle Yes!

That car looks... 'Fun,Fun,Fun'   ;) Till Daddy'O keeps you in-line.  

 

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 10:03 AM

The Valiant is great!  My T-bird is a little crude-looking, not great body detail, but I wanted to build one of my old-time Kemtron frame kits and that's what happened many years ago.

 

It might be nice if we had 24v + like the "old" days, but if you've got a spot, we should race regardless. Padlocks and maybe open-frames only.


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Posted 30 January 2014 - 12:35 PM

...Love your body choices. Willys and Fiat are AMT and currently available for trim pieces etc. Those Aurora Fords are very rare. If you have the whole kit don't pirate the bodies, if not, who cares. Go ahead and use them.

Hi, Joe

I got lucky last year and found another one buried in one of those online auctions for boxes of junk.  Could barely see a corner of it in the photos but took a chance anyway.  :dance4:

 

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 01:16 AM

There have been a few guys interested in a vintage drag proxy.

Can we get 16 cars for a proxy to run here in Sunny Florida? 

 

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More than one car per person is OK. $5.00 per car entered.

One Trophy to the overall winner and a box plaque for car judged best appearing and best engineered.

Time slip for all runs.

Run them Heads-up with a DPST switch so it is all about the car.

 

 


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 06:36 AM

You betcha Bob!

 

How many volts would we run on?

 

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 10:53 AM

Sure Bob...don't know about best engineered ,most of the period-correct stuff was pretty crude by today's standards. I'd be happy to send a couple of cars.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 12:11 PM

Very cool......
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Posted 31 January 2014 - 12:43 PM

Great !

 

With the growing interest I think it would be time to set the basic rules which is more of a vintage component timestamp.

 

Lets pick a 'no later than' year from the early to mid 1960s for the components ...

 

Don, I'll get the exact voltage and report back ... IIRC it's a low 14.8.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 04:43 PM

Thanks Bob, that's kinda what I figured. 

 

We ran some vintage drags 8 years ago or so in Bordeaux, alongside the vintage race, and I think we used a 16V power pack. Very interesting: at that voltage, the rewound Mabuchis were definitely faster than the laminated pole motors, although I'm sure we hadn't tuned them anywhere near their potential... If I remember right, I was turning about 1.7 seconds with some period DC85s or DC857s, and the fastest 36Ds were more like 1.3 or maybe a bit better... But the track was nowhere near level enough and there were also a lot of flying cars and breakage.... 

 

Time to break out the Graupners...

 

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 05:55 PM

I just confirmed the track voltage at 14.7.

No batteries...a power supply only with large storage capacitors.

 

As you can see in the picture it is a smooth and level surface.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 06:20 PM

hey gator,

 

just do it.......the ups or usps man will get tired delivering the cars........charge enough to cover the shipping.........use some really good batteries and various voltages to have an American stock car class all the way to AA fuel!

 

Shakey George Blaha

 

P.S. I'm ready!



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 06:25 PM

hey gator,

 

I was typing while you were entering information,.........sorry........but I'm still ready.......no matter what! 

 

 

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