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[Greg VanPeenen]

Motorsports, boxing, bull-fighting, and a few other things are sports, Everything else is just a game. So pay your money and go watch your game. Football, baseball, basketball, golf, soccer, polo, etc., etc., etc. JUST GAMES. Racing is my sport no matter what scale, 1 to 1 or whatever.
 
Regards,

GVP

[Samiam]

Lap counter off... Hobby.
 
Lap counter on... Sport.

[Rick]

Sport: Salary, contract, earnings, paid spectators, arenas, fields, television, radio coverage, etc.
 
Hobby: Braggin' rights, bowling trophy, cheap dash plaque, and twelve people know about it...

[Gator Bob]

hobby

noun,

1. an activity or interest pursued for pleasure or relaxation and not as a main occupation:

 

sport

1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

2. a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.

 

diversion  (the tact of getting off the main topic of this post)

noun

1. the act of diverting or turning aside, as from a course or purpose:

2. distraction from business, care, etc.; recreation; amusement; a pastime: 

 

 

[John Streisguth]

IMO, whoever made a private text message public should be ashamed of himself. 

[One_Track_Mind]

I'm not at all, John!!

[Cheater]

Cheater, are you implying that the racers should choose between the organizations? Originally, I noticed that you used the word "save" themselves by supporting both orgs.... I find that interesting because I thought that us racers were all just hanging out racing cars with good friends regardless of which organization. I didn't realize that I was recusing or saving myself...

John,

The statement I made was that racers "will decide which agenda they prefer"; I made no implication that they "should" do so.

The word "save" does not appear in my post #7. If you are referring to another post elsewhere, please point me to it.

Is it not obvious that a racer who attends events run under both organizations' rules by his actions is not expressing a preference for one over the other?

[Rich Goucher]

Will racers soon have to have either a TM or LLC tattooed on their forehead soon to continue racing?

Relative newcomer not to amused by politics in the big Retro leagues. Play together nice, respect one another, or stay home. Simple.

[Cheater]

The spin continues...

Will racers soon have to have either a TM or LLC tattooed on their forehead soon to continue racing?

Not at all, Rich. It's just like the grocery store, where one can elect to buy whole or 2% milk, or both.

[Cheater]

Oh... and I hate to tell you... but slot racing is not a sport... it's a hobby. People show up a pay admission to watch a sport...

Really, Hugh? I don't recall ever having to pay an admission to attend a HS football or baseball game, nor Little League games either. I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of coaches and players in those actvities will be pleased to hear your dismissive opinion of their activities.

And since the spectators at THIS FORM of racing didn't pay admission, it's just a hobby too, by your definition.

[Pappy]

There's an old saying "don't start any sh!t and there won't be any". Does anyone know who started all this sh!t?

[One_Track_Mind]

Take a look at the original poster of the thread?!

[Cheater]

Uh, Brian, this thread was posted in response to dishonest and untrue crap posted elsewhere on the web. To suggest on any level that the situation in Retro was started here in this thread is utterly laughable.

[One_Track_Mind]

I have four races instead of two at REM, because of all this going on in Retro. Please explain how that is a bad thing?

 

As far as any sponsorship for an upcoming Retro race, seems to me, you would go to those who have sponsored the event from the start of the first one.

 

Just my opinion.

[idare2bdul]

"History tends to repeat itself. Retro is a chance to change that."

 

It doesn't look likely. IRRA™ chose not to race under D3s rules and D3s rules caused internal dissent. I think some of the rules IRRA™ adopted, especially the minimum weight and motor rules, were improvements but obviously the SoCal racers didn't embrace those changes. Having unified rules makes way too much sense, but I'm not expecting logic to overcome personal issues any time soon. 

 

As for Ron, he took a lot of heat for things that I suspect most if not all were unfounded, that tends to make one a little touchy or even vindictive.

 

It would be nice if everybody would just decide to play nice and enjoy what racing has to offer.

[Pappy]

I have four races instead of two at REM, because of all this going on in Retro. Please explain how that is a bad thing?

 

Brian,

 

To me it's all about the atmosphere and fun.

 

Remember the very first Ohio Valley Retro race at Fast Eddie's in Richmond, IN, where we met. The atmosphere was fantastic and if I remember correctly you even won a race.

 

The atmosphere is not like that any more. When I watched the R4 warm-up race online the atmosphere was the best I've seen in a long time. I am now looking forward to getting back into Retro racing next season. "Go, Retro Hawks."

[One_Track_Mind]

Pappy,

 

I remember that day very well!! It's the only time I ever won a race.

 

You obviously need to attend a race at REM and join in the fun we have there. No matter of what 'group' is there.

 

I see the competition being greater too than what we first experienced, guys are more serious about their race programs.

[Steve Deiters]

Butch: I'm looking forward to getting back into Retro next season.

 

Why wait? If you come up to see some of the R4/7 races make sure you bring your controller with you. I'm sure there will be extra cars floating around.  Maybe even one with a Retro Hawk in it.

[Pappy]

I'll be there on Thursday and Saturday, Steve, but just to watch.

 

On Thursday I want to see the painting seminar. When I get back into Retro I want to race my own equipment, to me that's the fun of it. And since I won't be spending all my time before the race organizing everything hopefully I can be more competitive.

[One_Track_Mind]

Steve Koepp does a wonderful job of teaching anybody to paint!!

 

Trust me! If I can do it, anyone can! LOL! 8-)

[Rusty Pinion]

Really, Hugh? I don't recall ever having to pay an admission to attend a HS football or baseball game, nor Little League games either. I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of coaches and players in those actvities will be pleased to hear your dismissive opinion of their activities.

And since the spectators at THIS FORM of racing didn't pay admission, it's just a hobby too, by your definition.

 

Gee, Greg... when my youngest son (who is now 28 by the way) was still in high school... Hell yeah we HAD to PAY admission to the games. Now we didn't have to pay to get in a Little league game... because we PAID for them to play. You need to do better than that.

 

Also how many racers make a living racing slot cars? (I'm not talking manufacturers or track owners either.) I'm talking guys that race collect their paycheck at the end of the race and support their family with it. You know of some? Name them.

[MSwiss]

I understand one party may have held out an olive branch but nothing reciprocal took place.

Bob,
 
Do posts from LLC officials like below on an Facebook page, seen (yesterday or today) by about 60 racers, look like ones from an org holding out an olive branch?

 

Larry Mattingly: If you CHOOSE to race under TM rules, my suggestion is to suck it up buttercup... No one is holding a gun to your head to attend their races and race under their BS rules...
March 8 at 7:32pm

Jay Kisling: Every decision they make is rushed and not thought out. You would think after seven yrs. They might look at previous mistakes but no its always a knee jerk reaction. BOD = Bozos on drugs
March 8 at 7:37pm

 
Bob,

Posts like the above, and the constant railing by Ron this year that the Retro Hawks, an IRRA™ approved motor, can easily be cheated on, have me a bit skeptical and believing that their talk about a truce is nothing but a publicity stunt.
 
I know you think if you get on Facebook, they (Facebook) will start transmitting microwaves to your brain.
 
Obviously you have strong opinions about every issue in slot racing,  but in the case of Retro racing, you know about 17% of what's going on because of your reluctance to get on Facebook.
 
So please don't be surprised if a lot of your questions and comments fall to deaf ears.
 
Back to Facebook, the LLC/Ron has even gone as far as now starting a second, public, PG-rated, less incendiary FB page, named Slot Talk (also the name of an existing Facebook page)
 
If they were serious about a reconciliation, it seems to me that they would of discontinued the "over-served on a barstool", Slot Chat version.
 
Bob, please don't respond to this post unless you are going to answer the first question posed. TYIA.

[Gator Bob]

I'll go out on a 'limb' here... I don't 'do' Facebook or internet C₂₁H₂₃ NO₅ .

 

And this has me totally lost.   Bob who? Me?    Who wrote this?... if that is addressed to me I'll respond.

[MSwiss]

My post was directed to you, Bob Israelite.

 

Is the above recent Facebook post one of an org really wanting reconciliation?

[MSwiss]

Bob I,

A simple "Yes" or "No".
 
No posts of YouTube videos needed.