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[Rick]

Hey racers, we have a real actual race coming up this weekend and not just your run of the mill event, either. What's with all the fircken drama on R4 week? Check it at the door. we have some birds to pluck!. haha.....

[MSwiss]

  Check it at the door. we have some birds to pluck!. haha.....

 

Rick,

 

Is Ron pro-Retro Hawk or anti-Retro Hawk?

 

Hard to tell from the below.

• I'm bringing some "good" Hawks for Rick. With one of these baby's we should see Rick in the semi finals at the R4

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  Ron Hershman Lots of guys have "good" Hawks as I released the last batch from the "nest" here today to go along with others from the nest last week.

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  Chris Radisich Hope you remembered to put Fast Ones seals on them Ron, so you can take the credit for the wins.

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  Larry Mattingly Hmmm... What does it all mean Chris?

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  Ron Hershman no seals....no stickers...... "IF" they win..... it will just be "our little secret"

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  Chris Radisich Don;t know Larry. I suppose it all means you can take your FK or PD motor, give it a good old zapping, squeeze the can lightly and go race.

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  Chris Radisich LoL Ron, I bet you will not remain silent if one of your FK motors wins

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  Ron Hershman Mum's the word Chris

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  Ron Hershman WOW who squeezes Fk and PD cans Chris???

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  Chris Radisich I'm not sure Ron, maybe you'll have to ask around. The question is, if the can is squeezed, but still meets the checked dimensions, is it legal ?

[Brian Russo]

Not really, Noose.

[stemmy]

Nope... let's get this crap straight here... Little League is Little League... nobody PAYS TO WATCH THE GAME... however High School Football and Basketball... In Gwinnett County you have to pay admission to get in...but I guess everybody in Norcross is special and don't have to pay huh??As far as the Rally spectators... I didn't click on the link so I would not have a clue.I tell you what... why don't you climb down off your holier than thou high horse and quit trying to humiliate everybody with your superior use of your thesaurus and kiss my redneck ***... I'm done here.

Well said, Hugh. I've been to alot of high school sporting events and have paid admission to all of them. If you're not paying either your a player or your sports just stink.

[stemmy]

I'll take ten of those Hershman Hawks.

[Gator Bob]

Hey racers, we have a real actual race coming up this weekend and not just your run of the mill event, either. What's with all the fircken drama on R4 week? Check it at the door. we have some birds to pluck!. haha.....

 

Is somebody is going to get a "feather in his cap'?

 

Come on Rick ... Throw us a bone.

[MantaRay]

You might want to wait...

[Rick]

I have removed myself from (FB) Slot Chat and also Slot Talk. I no longer want to be drawn into the drama and BS they spew.

I want my Retro experience to be fun and keep it that way. No more negative vibes! I do not want to be labeled for what and where I race. I want to race and have fun and promote my products, nothing more, nothing less. I have never been as a$$ kisser and will not start at age 64 to get the "good chit"!...

[MSwiss]

I have removed myself from (FB) Slot Chat and also Slot Talk. I no longer want to be drawn into the drama and BS they spew. I want my retro experience to be fun and keep it that way. No more negative vibes! I do not want to be labeled for what and where I race. I want to race and have fun and promote my products, nothing more, nothing less. I have never been as a$$ kisser and will not start at age 64 to get the "good chit"!...

Smart choice.
 
In the meantime Ron is continuing his crusade of reconciliation with the TM.

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  Ron Hershman Hard to tell???......let me spell it out to you Mikey......... the only problem I have with the RH/FK motors is the issue of security. What can be done to them and NOT be detected by most tech inspectors.
  
  The endbells can be removed from the motors, motors worked on and endbell re-installed with no detection. People have the tools to do this and are doing this.
  
  Without removing the endbells..... the arms can be knocked balanced, magnets zapped and the radial orientation changed, arm spacing changed, brushes notched/timed, brush arms tweaked, epoxy added to the arm windings, timing adjusted by moving the comm without removing endbell. Again without detection unless the motor is protested and torn apart. If it's not detected..... it's legal........just like magnet zapping correct?
  
  Most of this has been done and is being done by those who know how to do it.
  
  Now if you and the BOD really want to make it fair to all of the racers..... those who choose to use RH/FK motors at TM events should have to purchase a marked, hand out RH motor the morning of the race and race that marked motor. No allowance of un marked motors.
  
  That would eliminate racers knock balancing, magnet zapping, etc of their RH motors at home or paying someone else "big bucks" to do it for them. Many guys like Stemmy are willing to pay the money for "tuned" RH/FK motors.
  
  Before you bring up no one has to run "hand out" PD motors..... that's because they have been verified to be legal before being sealed. Racers are no longer allowed to work on their motors before sending them in for refurbing and even though the refurbers would find anything out of spec and not seal such a illegal motor....the same can not be said when racers are allowed to run motors that are not verified in any way, shape or form. Sure racers can modify their motor brushes by cutting or timing them, but again that is illegal and not verified at races. If a racer was found to have done this, he would be DQ'ed immediately. There is NOTHING that verifies a FK motor has been worked on before it's raced. Not much is detectable UNLESS the motors are torn apart to make sure they are unmodified. So why allow a motor to be used if it can be easily modified in so many other ways outside a raceway?
  
  It's simple.... at races where FK motors are allowed........ racers have to buy them at the raceway the morning of the raceway, they are to be marked before giving it to the racer(s). It would be totally fair to all involved and stop the accusations of "special" FK motors and who is doing what or not.
  
  At TM Premier Hand out FK motor races...... the motors marked and hand out can not leave the raceway. Remember at your Sano races..... FK motors have been handed out on Friday night..... then they have to be turned in and impounded Friday night and if they are not, they can not be used the next race day. We all know why this is done.... to keep racers from modifying them over night in their hotel rooms.
  
  One would think the same should apply to all races were FK motor are allowed. It makes no sense to enforce it at certain events and not at regular monthly type events or non hand out events.
  
  Whatever could be done to a hand out motor over night in a hotel room, can also be done to a non hand out motor at a racers home.
  
  BTW....how did the four RH motors you sent to Koford run? Better or worse than a "off the shelf" RH motor??
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  Larry Mattingly 'The truth shall make you free'...
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  Dan Ebert Looks like a Hail Mary to me !!!!
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  Ron Hershman or a "Penance"? LOL
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  Larry Mattingly I don't think Dan is convinced?
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  Dan Ebert Well I hope you haven't done this for people/racers going to the R4 Because to me it would speak volumes about your character.
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  Ron Hershman Mum's the word Dan.
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  Dan Ebert Even worse the fact that you portray that seed of doubt.
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  Ron Hershman Even worse that I speak the truth that all this can be done, undetectable by many others??
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  Dan Ebert If you are doing this Ron and bragging it here. I guess you are the really the Cheater that some on the other side claim you are.
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  Ron Hershman Dan Ebert where exactly did I say I was doing this?
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  Dan Ebert Why bring it up if you are not
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  Ron Hershman why not bring up the motors have security issues?
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  Dan Ebert If your org is not using them why bother
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  Dan Myers I'm sure the king of "knock balancing" will have 50 or so already hammered before he gets in the building, wouldn't want another suspension for doing that in the raceway. lol
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  Ron Hershman Why do you think Nascar hired Gary Nelson so many years ago..... he knew who was doing what and what to look for. That way the ORG could stop the cheating.
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  Ron Hershman Dan if you really think that all of the FK motors at the R4 are going to be un modified or not tweaked...... you are not as smart as I thought you were.
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  Larry Mattingly Dan M: Have pliers will travel... LOL
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Ron brings up motors that have security issues as a "public service" while implying he might be working on said motor, in another thread, on the same Open FB page, the same day.

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  Ron Hershman Lots of guys have "good" Hawks as I released the last batch from the "nest" here today to go along with others from the nest last week.
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  Chris Radisich Hope you remembered to put Fast Ones seals on them Ron, so you can take the credit for the wins.
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  Larry Mattingly Hmmm... What does it all mean Chris?
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  Ron Hershman no seals....no stickers...... "IF" they win..... it will just be "our little secret"
   
  Like a PM I got earlier; with a few spelling errors corrected, "He's trying to create a controversy before the race and ruin it for everyone. Funny no one dissed his big race on a public forum, but him and his lackies have no problem trying to tear R4 down."
   
  He's been doing his public service announcements since January.
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  I think the fast ones sticker is an illegal modification, jk
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  Larry Mattingly LOL...
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  Gary Clinton Haha!
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  Jay Kisling Good job Ron that must be a 1% er lmao
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  Larry Mattingly Oh yeah...
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  Jason Holmes Jay that's just what I said on the TQ post where does he get them or is it the CAR 
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  Jay Kisling As far as I know this was Rons first race with a chikenhawk lol
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  Ron Hershman Jay it was a 1 percenter when I got done tweaking on it....... time for a new "service" 
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  Jay Kisling That makes it a 100 %,er lpl
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  John Miller Hmm, how easy are those to disassemble and tweak? lol
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  Ron Hershman 100% tweaked?  100% Hersh-ized?? It is interesting times we live in..... hey it passed the "eye" of the Series Director.......LOL
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Ron Hershman They don't need to be dis assembled to be tweaked and legal. But the tweaking does make a huge difference. 40.00 will get it torn down 

 

If anyone wants to post, claiming Ron is indeed doing a public service, despite implying he's selling motors that may of been worked on, and in no way is doing it to create paranoia to harm the R4, please do so.
 
Everyone needs a good chuckle.

[stemmy]

I'll take two if there $100 a piece. Ron's and evil genius.

[stemmy]

I guess that larger can opening was a blessing in disguise.

[Samiam]

He's got competition: LINK.

I've said this before. Cheaters suck. People that do it for them suck more. Plain and simple. Anyone that buys from cheaters sucks. And that does not mean you cause a pressure differential.

[Gator Bob]

Mike, as anyone... I want to post.
 
Ron IS doing a service, now I don't have to go on Facebook to get to an 18% knowledge level of what is 'really' going on.
His posts got you to bring Facebook here to Slotblog.

[Pappy]

People came down on me when the split first happened because of what I said about the character of anyone who would do what Ron did and the character of anyone who follows him. I've also been telling people privately that there is blueprinting going on, it does help the motors and it's part of the reason I quit Retro.

I think this proves me right.

[John Miller]

Sounds like the Retro Hawk may have security issues...  Didn't the west coast guys weld the endbell to the can to prevent such antics?

 

When the Puppy Dog motors were perceived to have a security problem the TM Bod made the manufacturer add motors screws. 

 

Question to the TM BoD:  Will you consider having the manufacturer weld the endbell to the can on the Retro Hawk motor?  This would eliminate the doubt and controversy that they are being disassembled and worked on away from the track.

[stemmy]

There's a lot you can do without needing to take it apart.

[Fast Freddie]

All this consternation over a little $12 motor and the "perceptions" of others. And you thought my PD motor blueprinting was bad. You guys need some professional help and medication and I'm not talkin "Happy Weed" although for some it might help.

[MSwiss]

John,

The SCRRA isn't doing it now, AFAIK.

Not important.

IMO anyone willing to have pliers made, or whatever it takes to open one up undetected, is also not beyond having security seals printed up for PDs.

But this isn't about which motor is more secure.

It's about a motor refurber of PDs, right before a competing org's biggest race of the year bragging about shipping out Retro Hawks, that may or may not be special, to create doubt in guys' minds that the racer next to them may or may not be running a tampered-with motor.

All this, while still having the chutzpah to claim he's trying to reach an accord with the other org.

[Samiam]

I wouldn't have any concerns racing the R4. None at all.
 
What I would be concerned about is racing under an org's banner run by someone who brags about cheating. Unless you are on the list of special racers who get "the good stuff". Everyone else beware.

This is worse than the old days of "special" equipment being handed to sponsored racers.

[John Miller]

The SCRRA isn't doing it now, AFAIK.

Not important.

 
So, is that the official opinion from the IRRA™ Board of Directors?

[Ralph Thorne]

It's about a motor refurber of PDs, right before a competing org's biggest race of the year bragging about shipping out Retro Hawks, that may or may not be special, to create doubt in guys' minds that the racer next to them may or may not be running a tampered-with motor.

 
Maybe if there was rule against this it would be a different story. As I read the rules, zapping is completely legal. Has it been posted otherwise and I just missed it?

[Noose]

Yeah, you missed it.

[Ralph Thorne]

Thanks, Noose, can you post a link?

[MSwiss]

So, is that the official opinion from the IRRA™ Board of Directors?

I posted before you edited your post and added:

Question to the IRRA™ BoD: Will you consider having the manufacturer weld the endbell to the can on the Retro Hawk motor? This would eliminate the doubt and controversy that they are being disassembled and worked on away from the track.

 
If you want to ask that question officially, go to this LINK.

[Cheater]

John and Ralph,

See this LINK.

 

Ralph, aren't you assuming that zapping is the only "tampering" being done?