And I'd speculate that most of us here know more about the content of our rulebooks, and others' rulebooks, than we do about the actual wording of the Constitution, or our local ordinances, or the DMV handbook for that matter; all documents significantly longer than any Retro rules set, and all vastly more relevant to our daily survival. What're we spending our time with here?
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:37 AM
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 10:55 AM
Semantics, yes, but since there are some Retro organizations that are so dead set about being absolutely anal about their rules, EVERY word, term and expression should have its own glossary and thesaurus attached.
Geez, Mark, nearly 300 IRRA racers/participants don't have a problem understanding what a 'main rail' is, or what their purpose is...
Must be an SCRRA/Northern California thing...
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 11:31 AM
Rule #1: Don't make rules that are difficult to enforce.
If flattened piano wire main rails are allowed, then as stated previously, the chassis would have to be inspected to make sure the rails were not machine cut spring steel.
It's easier to ban flat rails than to add more hassles at tech.
It's certainly not about how easy, cheap, interesting, or uselessly anal it is to flatten perfectly good piano wire to make a chassis bow in the wrong direction.
If flattened piano wire main rails are allowed, then as stated previously, the chassis would have to be inspected to make sure the rails were not machine cut spring steel.
It's easier to ban flat rails than to add more hassles at tech.
It's certainly not about how easy, cheap, interesting, or uselessly anal it is to flatten perfectly good piano wire to make a chassis bow in the wrong direction.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 11:35 AM
Hey, Jim.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 11:46 AM
We'll try this again.
Next question.
Flat rail talk is over.
If you have anything you need to convey to anyone, send it in a PM.
Next question.
Flat rail talk is over.
If you have anything you need to convey to anyone, send it in a PM.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 12:37 PM
Please honor Mike's request, gentlemen.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 01:13 PM
Without reading the previous 30 pages...
General rules call for the 'body to cover all chassis parts when viewed from above'. I know the rear of some F 1 bodies have an exception, but on the Stock Car NOSE:
Must the chassis be built to ensure the entire guide flag be covered on short nose bodies - regardless if the guide lead is almost nil; or can we claim that the guide flag is not part of the chassis and just make a uniform 3/4" guide lead???
Some pictures I have seen are confusing and I hope to build and race a stocker this year.
General rules call for the 'body to cover all chassis parts when viewed from above'. I know the rear of some F 1 bodies have an exception, but on the Stock Car NOSE:
Must the chassis be built to ensure the entire guide flag be covered on short nose bodies - regardless if the guide lead is almost nil; or can we claim that the guide flag is not part of the chassis and just make a uniform 3/4" guide lead???
Some pictures I have seen are confusing and I hope to build and race a stocker this year.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 01:17 PM
The guide can stick out as long as you have the MAXIMUM 3/4" guide lead and the tires are in the wheel openings.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 01:18 PM
Motor question.
Do the 4002 (non-US) motors have to have the security screws installed? Are the new ones coming of the assembly line with the screws?
Also??? why are the big honking new screws being used in the PD's?
Do the 4002 (non-US) motors have to have the security screws installed? Are the new ones coming of the assembly line with the screws?
Also??? why are the big honking new screws being used in the PD's?
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 01:28 PM
1. Not at this time. When they are refurbed they will have screws installed.
2. Not at this time.
3. Ask Pro Slot.
2. Not at this time.
3. Ask Pro Slot.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 01:44 PM
The guide can stick out as long as you have the minimum 3/4" guide lead and the tires are in the wheel openings.
Oops, I meant MAXIMUM 3/4" guide lead.
Original post has been edited to correct.
Mike Swiss
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 01:58 PM
Isn't it 3/4" (or 5.25") only... with no plus or minus?
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 02:03 PM
... Retro organizations that are so dead set about being absolutely anal about their rules, EVERY word, term and expression should have its own glossary and thesaurus attached.
I refer to "Retrosaurus"... My cars speak.
Bob Israelite
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 02:06 PM
Bob,
No, it isn't.
The Simplified Specification Reference at the top omits the maximum term and I'll point that out to Noose so he can revise it.
No, it isn't.
B.
2. Guide Lead: Maximum of .750" (19.05mm) measured from the center of the front axle or 5.25" (133.35mm) when measured from
the center of the rear wheels.
The Simplified Specification Reference at the top omits the maximum term and I'll point that out to Noose so he can revise it.
Total Weight = 120 grams minimum
Chassis Width = 3.00" maximum
Wheelbase: 4.50" minimum.
Guide Lead = .750"
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 02:15 PM
Thanks, Greg.
I stand corrected, I thought it was hard spec .750". or 5.25".
I stand corrected, I thought it was hard spec .750". or 5.25".
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 02:16 PM
Bob, in a sense it is. You must also have the wheels within the wheel arches of the body. If you went longer with your wheelbase it isn't going to meet this rule.
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 02:21 PM
Isn't it 3/4" (or 5.25") only... with no plus or minus?
From the rule book:
2. Guide Lead: Maximum of .750"
(19.05mm) measured from the center of the front
axle or 5.25" (133.35mm) when measured from
the center of the rear wheels.
No rule against moving your guide back if you wanted to tuck it other the body for appearance.
Oops, posting at the same time as Greg.
Mike Swiss
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 04:00 PM
So basically if you want the maximum allowable guide lead, you have to build to the minimum 4.5 wheelbase. The only other direction you can go is bit longer on the wheelbase and shorten the guide lead (keeping centered within the body wheel openings, of course).
I doubt that would help the car handle any better, but who knows? Has anyone tried it?
I doubt that would help the car handle any better, but who knows? Has anyone tried it?
"Whatever..."
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Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:00 PM
Has anyone raced Stockers on a Gerding?
Maybe a 1/2" or 5/8" guide lead would work on them.
FWIW, I bet the shorter the guide lead, the harder the car would be to marshal.
Maybe a 1/2" or 5/8" guide lead would work on them.
FWIW, I bet the shorter the guide lead, the harder the car would be to marshal.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 12:27 AM
We've raced them at Port Jeff.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:50 AM
Has anyone raced Stockers on a Gerding?
Maybe a 1/2" or 5/8" guide lead would work on them.
FWIW, I bet the shorter the guide lead, the harder the car would be to marshal.
Mike,
Are you using the name Gerding as a reference to swoopy King track?
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:52 AM
Yes.
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 06:46 AM
We've raced them at Port Jeff.
Yes we did, and not only were they fast they handled pretty good also. But to me the best part about it was it was they were a lot of fun to drive.
Roger Ruggieri
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 06:57 AM
Wait until you get up to SRR on the hillclimb with them...like a Bristol race!
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 07:25 AM
" like Jett's in a gymnasium ". LOL. I'm not sure who's quote that is. Might be Buddy Baker. I'm sure someone will be able to give us the correct answer. I will try to make the summer race there. Stock Cars are on the schudel, correct
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