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#1 B Meharry

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Posted 28 December 2014 - 09:07 PM

Not sure if there was ever a forum to post results and whatever for our weekly hardbody program, but I figured I'd go ahead and start one anyway. Turn outs have been really hit or miss every week compared to last year, and I know a lot of folks just think hard body cars suck to drive....and I've asked 20 different people what they'd like to race and got 60 different answers. So, I'm sending out an open invite to get some run what 'ya brung flexi racing started in between our two hardbody classes.

Nascar, LMP, Indy/F1, or retro.....just no high downforce stuff. Any cheapo motor bought off the wall. Run them all together.

Just get out and race and we will see what sticks.

Anyways, here's the results from Saturday night.

 

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 07:49 PM

It's awesome you posted about your hardbodies series on Slot Blog; Brian.

 

To anyone wondering what in the heck the draw could be .. for me .. it's full-on / totally nostalgic! .. building model race cars in my youth and racing the Revell home sets way back in the day.

 

And; bottom-line it's those huge Revell sets we loved as kids on steroids .. the builds look fantastic in originality and detail and they are very fast with the motors allowed for the series.

 

Suck to drive?  Well; to a certain degree that means with diligent practice newer racers have a shot at the podium and at the same time seasoned veterans are really challenged to keep a string of podiums going. That's good competition.

 

The club literally defines camaraderie too.  Right from the get-go; everyone .. and I seriously mean EVERYONE racing .. has been helpful with build tips and race tutoring, patient with newbies and our goofy questions and really let a guy know they are glad you come out to race. 

 

Another plus; we're all a bit tighter on cash these days for whatever reason and the series is not expensive to be competitive and have a blast.  

 

Maybe start a race night results ongoing thread and sprinkle in some pics from the history of the club in the race announcements section here; Brian?  My 2 cents since one of my day gigs is working on marketing projects. :D

 

The series is addicting ~ I just picked up a sweet 1/24 1966 Ford Fairlane model kit for it.    

 

Come over on race night and check it out yourself racers ~ 

 

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Posted 04 January 2015 - 01:22 AM

01/03/15 Hardbody results. Best turn out we have had so far this season with Mike being in the new location. Mike seemed a bit tired from all the ISRA events earlier in the day so we skipped trying to do a flexi "run what 'ya brung" race.  A few faces returned that we have not seen in a long time, and there seems to be a few new faces currently building cars, so hopefully we will see some more participants.  See you all next Saturday..

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Posted 04 January 2015 - 10:53 AM

Hi, could we get any line up pics? Saw a couple of racers shooting the starting line up. Thanks, Mark.

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Posted 04 January 2015 - 02:01 PM

I would like to know the programs that the winning racers used.  By that I mean I would like to know the specs on the winning cars, and if possible a look at the chassis etc.  I am leaning more towards hard body builds, due mainly to the more realistic look of the cars. John D. 


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Posted 04 January 2015 - 10:41 PM

The rules we are racing with are brians'.... start with an FCR 4.5" wb, raise the axle centerline to use 1"+ tires, use a Proslot FK or demon/evil-9 motor, 1/8' rear axle, velro body mounts.  Chassis can be made using a streched womp or similar frame (inline).. Brians B & E spring steel frame has been very good. No flexable frames or hinges. Simple and some soldering needed if you build one. Cars range from 135 - 200 grqms.  The body choices affect many issues.  Trans/am(pony car) is one class and larger cars another....no convertibles.

 

Maximum width is consistent and cut out wheel wells like local short-track racing prefered.  Model body WB dictates end racer WB...most pony cars are too short for a 4.5 and most nascar bodies and full size sedans fit the 4.5"(+/-).

 

Wanted: used brass or steel womps for recycling to hardbody hotrods.


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Posted 05 January 2015 - 09:22 PM

A few shots from Saturday night. A well dialed in FCR based car or stretched womp chassis are just as competitive, but I ran a spring steel Eliminator frame built to 4-3/8" wb, firm tires out back, proslot FK geared 7/34 on the flat track, which Larry ran for a third place finish on the King. we run them at 12 volts....keeps the chaos down a bit.

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 02:59 PM

Some more pics of race cars from the fun as all get out hardbody race series.  First 2 cars pictured were built by the race series creator and our Chairman of The Board; Brian Meharry.  See parts and RTR cars available at B&E Slotsport on Facebook ~

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 03:40 PM

I think one of the issues with hard body racers is the only thing in common is that they prefer their bodies to be hard plastic or resin rather than Lexan. Besides that you got:

 

Plastic kit builders

  1. With a simple brass chassis like ProTrack
  2. A more sophisticated chassis like a B & E or Scholer/Plafit
  3. D3 Hardbody

1/24 BRM/ScaleAuto

 

High-end Composite Body

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and hybrids that cross categories. 

 

I'm into hybrids so it looks like if i race Scaleauto I'm stuck racing 99% stock cars :-(


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Posted 06 January 2015 - 04:45 PM

Dennis,
Has anyone ever nailed down how much an RTR composite car sells for?

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Posted 06 January 2015 - 07:11 PM

I really love the "dirt-track" look of your ProTrack wheeled hardbodies.  That and the hand painted numbers.  They look terrific. :good: :heart:


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Posted 06 January 2015 - 07:28 PM

Guys,

Keep up the great work! Hardbodies rule! As Dennis mentioned, there are pockets of real scale 1/24 1/25 hardbody racing in the west and the northwest all with different rules. In Oregon we have two groups - one in Roseburg and another in the Portland area. Both of these groups have gravitated to the Scholer or Playfit chassis (we also have a few classes featuring the old ProTrack brass or H&R chassis). What attracts me to hardbody racing is the realism of the plastic or resin models. The Scholer or Plafit chassis handle quite well and depending on the class we are using Deathstar, Proslot 16D, Falcon 7, Falcon 2/4 or ProSlot Ps4000. My favorites are the Porsche 917, GT40, Trans Am and some of the Group C cars. I have posted many images on this site. In the Phoenix, Arizona are they race an H&R class as well as BRM 917s and Scale Auto. It is all fun!! Some dislike hardbodies because they are more difficult to drive, but properly set up they are fast and handle quite well. Below are a few images of recent grids and my favorite ride the 917

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 01:40 PM

Awesome!!!  I love the realism of the hard bodies. In regards to the chassis, any that  a group decides to use as a basis should be fine, just like the motors.  No difference with that than the agreed choice of motors.  As long as the "group" agrees on chassis and motor combo, the race is on!!  Great looking group of cars!! 


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Posted 07 January 2015 - 01:53 PM

$200 for chassis and running gear. $100 for body would be a start. You can go up from there.

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 02:02 PM

Even my 1/32 slot.it runs pretty well. With no aerodynamic downforce you have to slow down and apply power out of the corner. I've lowered my best lap time by over 1/2 a second just by adjusting screws and stiffening the chassis and this is with plastic.

We are just now embarking on a Scaleauto program under national rules. Whether this works or not for our local racers is still an open question but has the potential for a series of races on the west coast headquartered out of Tacoma. WA

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 05:28 PM

We are just now embarking on a Scaleauto program under national rules. Whether this works or not for our local racers is still an open question but has the potential for a series of races on the west coast headquartered out of Tacoma. WA


Good Luck Dennis - I ran the Scale Auto class in AZGR and they were pretty well stock. I was surprised at how well they ran. The chassis looks similar to the Scholer. The more "tame" motor they are using (stock) keeps the speeds down and carnage to a minimum. If there is a series on the West Coast, I might just have to participate!

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 05:33 PM

Awesome!!!  I love the realism of the hard bodies. In regards to the chassis, any that  a group decides to use as a basis should be fine, just like the motors.  No difference with that than the agreed choice of motors.  As long as the "group" agrees on chassis and motor combo, the race is on!!  Great looking group of cars!!


Thanks. I have posted a good deal on this site so many of our cars are shown. In addition, you might want to look at my photobucket . See the link http://s1324.photobu.../?sort=3&page=1Hundreds of hard body builds and images of my track - Electron Raceway

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 01:12 PM

The "tame" motor is my only concern but we'll see.

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 01:21 PM

The "tame" motor is my only concern but we'll see.


You can't just screw in something faster?

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 10:17 PM

If the goal is to run to the national ruleset, then they would be limited to a 21,000 rpm motor that's stock to the Scaleauto cars as shipped. Said motor is a long can type, so I would believe that either a Puppy Dog or FK style motor would be an easy drop in.
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Posted 09 January 2015 - 02:24 PM

The 4000 series Proslot (the puppy dog IS one) will snap into any plastic car that uses the (scaley/slot-it style) short can FC-130 - can drive is best. Of course it will screw in to the other chassis as well.  The base model is about 25K rpm, PD maybe 50K, grp 12 arm maybe 80K(?)....

Another good use for the Proslot 4002-FK.

 

Most plastic frames cannot handle the torque or RPM of the 25K+ arms.  We need to glue or screw many motors in place for these.


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 02:59 PM

National Scaleauto rules are very restrictive. Standard motor, gear ratio, no added led weight. We'll see where it goes locally. I'm trying to keep an open mind. You weigh local rules against the ability to host larger races.

 

In out Slot.it series I use a Flat6 RS motor which is 25K. I think a 38K motor like this NSR motor Is about as hot as I would go. Anything more and it gets really hard to handle. These are FK-180 motors which are similar to Falcons but longer. To make them work with a plastic chassis takes some work but once done they go very well. You need to go with the sights pod and of course you need to screw the motor in and I would hot glue it as well.

 

Create float with the hard body and I use magnetic susspension set real soft but limit the movement. 

 

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 03:06 PM

Dennis,
A few questions.

Who is behind the series?

Does Frank Sarkela carry Slot-it cars?

If so, know who he gets them from?

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 03:25 PM

Slot it comes from the same people that carry Scalextric in the US which last I heard was Hornby America. ScaleAuto and also BRM I think are distributed through Alan Smith at 132 Slotcars.

 

The Scaleauto series is considered the entry level series in Europe so is run stock. Alan recently had a 24 HR Enduro running Scaleautos and from what I heard it was a very successful event.

 

When I tried to discuss making them a little faster I was basically told to get lost. LOL 


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 03:34 PM

This is what I currently run:

 

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 03:41 PM

I assume a Slot-it?

Is it inline or sidewinder?

IIRC,they have both.

If so, are the pods for both interchangable?

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 04:43 PM

Yes they are interchangable but since I use the long can they need to be either inline or angle winder. The Porsche comes standard with an angle winder pod that I replaced with a stiffer one. As you can see there are six screws holding the pod. I used three different screws from front to back. The back two also include the magnetic suspension. The from screws I use to limit front to back movement, the middle up and down as well as yaw and the reach for the vibration reduction. Those are I think wonder rubber mounted on Slot.it rims using the 2_True tire truer. LOL

 

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As you can see there is a lot of weight being used. The total car weight is around 110 grams. The fronts are independent and they don't touch the track except when going around a corner and I'm running on two wheels. ;-)


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 05:26 PM

When I tried to discuss making them a little faster I was basically told to get lost. LOL

At least they didn't castrate you. Lol

I hosted a few BRM events in conjunction with the iHobby show and got a dose of their inflexibility.

I was sitting there at 1am while the drivers that made the final did the mandatory motor replacement.

Which would of been fine, except even though there was 8 racers, it had to be done in 4 shifts, only 2 drivers at a time, because that was the most they felt the 1 or 2 race stewards could keep an adequate eye on, to prevent cheating.

When a racer had a minor part fall off, after getting torpedoed, he had to stop and reinstall the part under time.

"It's his responsibility to keep his car out of that situation".

When we held some other events for 1/32 cars, he couldn't understand why I asked if racers needed lane stickers.

"You're going to allow them to go back in the slot?"

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 05:57 PM

Oh and as far as castrating you've not met my little knife. Used this when I was in S&R.

 

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Posted 11 January 2015 - 04:32 PM

Saturday 1/10/15 results. I made the 58 Plymouth my own and raced it on the flat track. Jim Crider wins on the King. Neil Isler makes a return to commercial racing, and takes the win in the Flexi "run what ya brung" race.

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Posted 11 January 2015 - 04:39 PM

More shots from Saturday night. Good times had by all.

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Posted 15 January 2015 - 10:32 PM

I was just talking to Dave Geehring and he mentioned that he , Rick and J.P. were coming by Saturday night to race.


Should be fun.
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Posted 16 January 2015 - 08:37 AM

Try to talk them into staying over for Sunday's races! Would be good to have them :good:


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Posted 16 January 2015 - 12:52 PM

Your news about our Saturday night hardbody race series made my week; Mike :D

 

Gonna be a blast racing with our friends from NW Indiana!

 

If you show me how to race direct with the key board; would love to see you compete too with the Cuda you built (I really liked driving that car myself!)


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Posted 16 January 2015 - 02:05 PM

Watch out for Ricky (Stagen), he takes no prisoners! LOL
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Posted 16 January 2015 - 02:58 PM

Yeah but Stagen's "King Track Program" $ucks  :laugh2:  :laugh2: Just ask him...


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Posted 16 January 2015 - 03:00 PM

What kind of chassis and motors you guys run in these?



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Posted 16 January 2015 - 03:29 PM

It's a mix of FCR's, stretched Womps and B & E steel.

In a nutshell, anything goes, but it has to be a solid chassis.

No moveable pans or shakers.

Motors are asst. Proslot minimotors and asst. FK's.

Tires must be 1" plus, which IMO, is what makes them cool(er).

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Posted 17 January 2015 - 07:25 PM

18 racers tonight, a new record.

16 in the first race on the flat track.

15 in the second on the King.

11 in the third for flexible on the King.

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Posted 18 January 2015 - 01:45 PM

Big fun last night, especially with 4 South Bend racers in attendance.

On the Flat track, Edmalyn Sy took the B Main, while Sano Dave dominated in the A.

On the King, Dennis Clark, romped in the B, running A times, while Brian Meharry took the A.

In the Flexi Fun race,Dave Geehring took it, with Dennis 2nd, and Neal Isler 3rd.

Brian Meharry was the winner among the JK Indy cars.

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Posted 18 January 2015 - 05:15 PM

While we all look up to those that win the big events like the Checkpoint it's these small weekly races that mean the most for the rest of us.

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Posted 18 January 2015 - 05:24 PM

That's great Mike. Any starting line up pics?

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Posted 18 January 2015 - 05:32 PM

Maybe Brian will post some here, but there should be something on the Mid-American Hardbody FB page.

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Posted 19 January 2015 - 07:28 PM

Flat track results n junk. I don't care what happened....my chick won.

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Posted 19 January 2015 - 07:36 PM

King track results. Dennis Clark wins the B. I think I misplaced the A main results. No one cares though....we're just having fun.

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 07:31 PM

Please don't take this wrong but i think the cars would look a lot better if you used narrower tires front and back. You could do that if you used Scaleauto Procomp tires. They actually work pretty good on a commercial track and come in 4 compounds. Just a suggestion.

 

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 09:15 PM

I'm pretty sure those are 3 mm axle for 1/24th scale. Kinda pricey too if I'm not mistaken (about 19 bucks a pair?). Our rear axle is 1/8" and 3/32" or 1/8" in the front. We try to keep the cars budget friendly, and the parts can be bought at most slot shops.


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Posted 20 January 2015 - 09:44 PM

Dennis,
I agree with Brian.

Easy availability is all important to me.

Also,FWIW, the 1/8 axle Scaleauto are the same width as the B & E, that I carry.

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 09:47 PM

Understand absolutely. Yes you would need to use the 3mm version which come in a narrower width, 3mm axle, gears and different bushings and they are pricier.

 

Brian, I really like your chassis which I hope to see in person this Saturday at SCR. I think if more people knew about your chassis they would sell like hotcakes. ;-)


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Posted 24 January 2015 - 02:40 PM

Thanks Dennis. Still in the infancy stages here at B&E. Our original run of chassis and tires was marketed towards Chicago area hardbody racing and I thought I'd be sitting on the first run for a couple years. We unexpectedly sold out to racers all over the map. A new run is coming soon. We'll see where this ride takes us :)


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