77 replies to this topic

[Sean Mikuen]

Ok, sounds good to me! I'll make sure to do that when i get the chassis ;P

[Mike Henry]

When does the enduro season start I wanna try and make a few of them as long as they don't interfere with the big car schedule

[Wizard Of Iz]

September 12th in Melbourne.   

 

October would have been in Jacksonville.  Perhaps Bill, Greg, or Marcus can chime in on whether they're moving Winter Garden and Holly Hill up.

[DOCinCanton]

The races at P1 and Holly Hill have been moved up one month each to fill the date vacated by Jacksonville. This leaves December open.

[DOCinCanton]

The final rule set is C-21 chassis, handout JK Retro Hawk motors, MySeries GTP bodies, and minimum weight of 101 grams. I am thinking that the Red Fox bodies have replaced the OS bodies. MySeries legal GTP bodies are those bodies manufactured by Parma, JK, Kelly, and Red Fox. At least that's what I have from Bill.

[Mike Henry]

Maybe Ed will have his place open by December

[Rapid Rick]

I read here that there is another Series in addition to GRRR Retro. Is there a Rule Sheet that I can print out? Is any GT Body legal...as in the Audi R8 or R10?

 

I understand we will all us JK-21. Is there a grear rule? Can we run with 64 Pitch or 68 Pitch?

 

What is the rear chassis height?

 

I'm asking because I need to purchase most of this stuff as I sold everthing for Flexi before moving here to Florida. I only have Retro Can-Am and Coupe.

 

Thanks,

 

Rapid Rick

[DOCinCanton]

Do a search for "My Series".  In a nutshell, the endurance rules are: JK C21; GTP body (JK, Parma, Kelly, Red Fox only); 64 pitch gears; 0.062" rear clearance; 101 grams minimum weight. There is no tire diameter rule. Body must have 1/4" left in back. Decal driver is OK. The motor is a JK Retro Hawk, and the motors are handed out the morning of the race. They are serialized.

[dalek]

Are the Enduro rules written up anywhere?  I have a printout of the My Series 2015 rules but they don't include the Enduro.

 

If there is a link, please someone post it.

 

I've run the enduro but don't remember/know the specifics about front wheels/axle.

[TRP_Phil]

The updated 2015 rules are on the myseries.org website.

[dalek]

Thanks Phil -- I was mistaken when I said above that I had the 2015 rules.

 

BTW:  The download of the JK Indy rules is a docx file and my McAfee antivirus warned me against downloading it (but I downloaded it anyway, assuming McAfee was just saying the possibility of a virus existed).

 

Also, not everyone will have the software on their PC to read a docx file.

 

I opened it in Word and saved it as a PDF file if you would like to post it for download instead of the docx file.

 

 JK-INDY-CAR-RTR-Rule-Set.pdf   265.04KB   10 downloads

[dalek]

TECHING DURING A RACE:

 

I ran the last My Series Enduro and half way through it, all cars were teched.

 

One of the things that was checked was the .0625" rear clearance.

 

In reading the rules, in the General Guidlines section, it says
"Drivers are responsible for keeping their cars legal at all stages of a race."

 

However, a little further down it says "All cars must have a minimum track
clearance of .0625" under the rear of the chassis and gear at the beginning of the race."

 

Since the "beginning of the race" is stated, it appears that teching the .0625" clearance after
the Enduro had begun was not appropriate.

 

I think one car was found to have a clearance of less than .0625".  I don't know/remember
if that team was penalized in any way.

 

[dalek]

Body must have 1/4" left in back.

 

Decal driver is OK.

 

Actually, the Enduro rules don't have any bumper requirements.

 

Also, in the rules it says "Interior may be molded plastic, Mylar, or paper".  I assume Mylar means the Decal Driver that Doc referred to.

 

 

[dalek]

Regarding the motor mount -- I now can see why in the past, some racers cut away half of the C-21 motor mount.

 

In the General Guidelines (see previous post), it says in part "a portion of the mount must be retained".

 

Logically,as long as some of the mount is still left, the car would be legal.

 

Maybe that wording should be changed for 2016 but the racers that have already cut some of the mount off should be allowed to 

continue to use the chassis.  I mean really, how much faster laps times will someone run if that half a gram of motor mount is missing?  

 

And to those who say, a new C-21 center section just isn't all that expensive -- maybe the My Series should give the racer the 

replacement chassis and bushings and axle since the rules were written a little fuzzy.

 

 

[CoastalAngler1]

I know how you feel Dale.  Kinda hard to figure out MySerious rules, Huh?  Too bad it is so complicated, it scares everyone off.  Heck, the tracks in FL don't even run weekly with tho$e rules.

 

Now go cut half of the mount off, and angle the motor just a tad and solder it so you can keep up.  Don't forget the drag pinion 

[Matt Sheldon]

Nothing scary about the Enduro rules, in fact it should satisfy new and experienced racers. Simple motor, simple chassis, easy axle size and tire rules and looks to be a fairly open body rule. Nothing VooDoo about any of it from what I can see.

If you see a line item that does not make sense you simply ask like Dale did. Humans type this stuff in after all.

[DOCinCanton]

Concerning the body: the endurance series is running to the current MySeries GTP body rules. Therefore, 1/4" bumper is required at the rear of the body.

 

Also, the motor bracket is not allowed to be cut away. Only very minor modification is allowed to allow a reasonable gear mesh. If the top half of the motor bracket has been removed, the chassis is not legal.

[tonyp]

That was easy.

[dalek]

Easy but not correct (regarding the body).

 

I posted the Enduro rules and the General Guidelines above.

 

And here are the GTP rules.

 

There is nothing about bumpers or "1/4 inch across the rear" for Enduro or GTP.

 

 

 

[dalek]

ENDURO DRIVER:

The General Guidelines (see in post #63) say:

"All classes with enclosed cockpits are required to have a three-color 3-D interior."

So no stick-on decal drivers are allowed.

That was easy.

[CoastalAngler1]

 

[DOCinCanton]

Dale, looks like you are correct concerning the rear body trim on the GTP bodies.

[dalek]

MORE REGARDING ENDURO / GTP INTERIOR:

 

The Group-F rules (below) specifically mention stick-on interior as OK but GTP rules do not.

 

However, as to being 3D, the Tech Director's Checklist (below) says NASCAR and GT1 interiors must

be "3D Plastic" but GTP just says "Paper or Plastic".

 

So I assume that GTP / Enduro doesn't require a 3D interior after all.

 

 

 

[Chris Ippolito]

what is the schedule for Saturday?

[Wizard Of Iz]

Dale ..... I think you found most of your answers so I'll just throw in a little of the "why" some of the rules are what they are

 

 

On mid-race tech ....

Once upon a time, cars were teched at the end of the race and if you didn't pass chassis clearance, you were DQ'd.  Years ago (maybe even the first year) racers asked for the rule to be that we tech cars at the beginning of the race and not at the end.  Saves on time and allows for normal wear without damaging the track.  A few years into the Series a no tire change rule was added in response to guys that were passing tech and then changing to below-spec tires after the first heat.  I'm not naive enough to think that adding this rule stopped everyone from doing so.  This isn't NASCAR and there isn't an official in every pit area and there aren't TV cameras so it's been on the honor system.

 

The "responsible for keeping cars legal" part is in the general rules to allow for a in-race tech should a race official feel there's a reason to tech.  The Enduro races are usually the only races where I've seen an in-race tech.  That's because they have longer heats and two rotations so it's more likely that tires may wear below tech.

 

 

On Cheetah 21 motor mounts....

The first year that we used the Cheetah 21 chassis for the Enduro class, we used a Sealed Parma Super 16D motor.  (I still dislike those motors!)  It was a near necessity to open up the back of the motor mount to be able to get a decent gear mesh.  The next year we went to the JK Hawk Retro motor.  It didn't make sense to ask racers to buy new chassis with an intact motor mount just because of a change in handout motors, so we didn't change the rule about the back of the motor mount.  Tried to make it easy for guys to keep racing.

 

On GTP bumper rules

I don't think that the GTP class has ever had a 1/4" rear material rule.  Nor has the GTP class ever had a front bumper rule as was erroneously reported in another thread.  The rear material rule was/is the LMP/GT1 class which calls for a 1/16 minimum front and 1/4" material in the rear.  Guys have long confused GT1 and GTP.  Mike Rigsby was one of the first to correctly point out that the bodies we're running are LMP and not GT1 bodies.  But it's been tough to get guys to stop referring to the class as GT1 --- and then confusing it with GTP.

 

On GTP interiors

The GTP class has always allowed molded plastic, paper, or mylar interiors.  We could probably clean up the rules a bit by taking the line out of the General Rules since interiors are addressed in each class.