77 replies to this topic

[Ralph Thorne]

I agree, I think 3 is a good number.

[Eddie Fleming]

It all sounds good to me. I will run when I can work allowing.

[John C Martin]

4" NASCAR , Gtp , canam , stockcar and of course wings ,they all work great at Whitehouse..only thing that launches is my F1s..on black..track.soon to fixed there as well.
We just need to adjust the times to start racing maybe to 10:00 or 11:00 ?

[Russell]

Looks like a great start. Like the three, GTP, CAN AM & the 4 in NASCAR. Cars most have in their boxes already. opens up to a much wider race group. One motor in all classes is great idea.I have got where I race once a month so this is great.lol
Speed zone, flexi on the black track would be great start. Very nice track.

[brnursebmt]

All sounds good so far.  I think CMS is a great venue.  Eddie is a great guy and I'm sure he would love to have the buisness.

[Jay Guard]

You could probably get away with running 4 classes (Can-Am, GTP, Stockcar, $100 Wing) in one day if we didn't qualify and just ran round-robins for all classes.  Also I'd recommend $5 Pit Passes and maybe an entry fee discount if you run 3 or 4 races.   Maybe an additional discount if you agree to stay and marshall all of the races.  Just some food for thought.

[Brinkley47]

When I mentioned 3 races, I was referring to the total number of races this year. Earlier ralph mentioned 5. I think 3 is better. Give me too many options and I am more likely to miss one.

I say make it a points series as well. Prob will hurt the turnout at the last race some but the first race will be huge.

Also, if there is enough people for two races we need to qualify. Just give 30 seconds if needed. I want to be in the fast group if I have the car for it.

[Brinkley47]

Can someone define $100 wing car? I am only familiar with box stock.

[Jay Guard]

Hi Will:

 

I can't say that I'm real familiar with "$100 wing cars" but as I understand it it's a basic/low cost steel wing car frame with a FK style motor.  Not sure if the $100 number is etched in stone but the idea is to have a low cost wing car that's not stupid fast.  That way the initial investment is low and most guys will be able to drive it and not have crash-fest races.

[Bill Bowers]

                   yes i am in............

[SlowBeas]

Sounds like a heck of an idea to me. I'm not a wing racer, but I bet a wing car with a Retro Hawk would still be pretty fast. Maybe not stupid fast, but still fast.

 

Looking forward to hearing more about plans for races. Good to see you back in the fold, Ralph!

[Taylor Davis]

I think a $100 wing car can be fun! Maybe fun gtp, can - am, and wing. Don't need to class to death. More classes=less per race.

[Jay Guard]

If we only run three classes we could start a bit later, say 11:00.  This would allow the guys with a long drive to not have to get up and out so early and still give them some time to practice.  It would also mean the last race will end early enough that even when they stay to marshall the last race they won't be getting home super late.   I think that the requirement for everyone to stay and marshall for all three races is a VERY important point.  Nothing worse than having the guys that run the last race hunt and beg for turn marshals when they've marshaled for everyone else.  Although my idea of a "discount" might work I think probably the best way to do it is to impound the cars from the first two races.

[Brinkley47]

I agree jay. Great idea.

[John C Martin]

May I suggest Whitehouse gets first race then Peachtree because of air conditioning ,I won't need to wear my thong to either of those..

[Pappy]

I remember one time I was at T/R's Motorplex in Miamisburg, Ohio and a friend of mine was playing with a $100 wing car on the Red lane of a Gerding King track. He had the trigger pulled all the way and was standing there talking to me and not even looking at his car. Wouldn't be much fun to me.

[Taylor Davis]

I remember one time I was at T/R's Motorplex in Miamisburg, Ohio and a friend of mine was playing with a $100 wing car on the Red lane of a Gerding King track. He had the trigger pulled all the way and was standing there talking to me and not even looking at his car. Wouldn't be much fun to me.

Not every track we would run is a king and when you get 7 other cars are on the track you have to drive through traffic. Wing cars are not boring.

[John C Martin]

You're not going to run the king at White House wide open with anything.

Also, If you don't charge extra $$ in a points series it could work.  Otherwise it won't since locals who don't travel don't want to pay extra for a hot shoe who usually wins knowing that they will only race 1 or 2 races.   You need them to race or you won't have a good turnout, same goes for the B main racers, I know from Amsra experience.

I lean toward a 4" NASCAR , GTP, and Can-Am, all with Retro Hawks.  As being most poplar class maybe be flexible running wings as a option on some tracks or all 4 classes, if like Jay said move the program along, no qualifying, do only round robins.

Maybe have the track owner donate a Retro Hawk to whoever has the most laps total for the day.

[Jay Guard]

All good thoughts John, I especially like the idea about the raceway giving a small prize for top laps or something similar, but no money payout for sure.  In my opinion a points series doesn't really work very well when you have a "traveling" series.  Usually only one or two guys are in contention for the top spots since they can make every race and everyone else could either care less or they get discouraged and stop coming.

 

As for classes I much would rather run 4" Flexi Stockcars but the $100 wing cars could be a possibility if the demand, and time in the schedule, is there.  

[Russell]

. Caught JC riding to the last race. I will by u an aircoditition MR.MARTIN!


Trouble with the slower wings is u will be able to hold wide out. If GR12,27 u will not. CMS wide open and I think the retro motor is not as fast as hawk7 or a little fast. But u never know. I vote can am GTP 4in NASCAR.

[Brinkley47]

What is the extra cost involved for points? Just do a small box plaque and be done with it. No need to charge extra for something over the top.

I am not a big fan of gtp and 4 inch stock car. I say pick one and then run something else. It is ultimately the same class with a different body. Maybe a wing, maybe a 4.5" stock car. I dunno. Just something that requires a different chassis.

I think whatever is chosen, the most important thing is that we all support it and help where we can. It is nice to have big races somewhat close to home.

[Jay Guard]

Good points Will, this is what we need at this point, good constructive dialogue. Thanks and keep the ideas coming!

[Eddie Fleming]

It looks like most agree on the Can-Am and the GTP.

 

I am not a big fan of the GTP but I race them.

 

Why not run those two and rotate a third class in by track.

 

let everyone know well in advance that this race the third class will be $100 wing, or 4" stock car, or Womps or whatever the track owner wants.

 

All with Retro hawk power.

[Taylor Davis]

Excellent idea eddie!

[Ralph Thorne]

When you keep it to the same 3 classes it's cheaper to participate. Why make everyone go buy 6 diffrrent cars then they only get to race some of them once when you rotate the classes out? The point in running 4 inch and GTP with the same motor is to make it easier and cheaper to race. Which hopefully will increase participation. I'm not running retro stockcars, last time I put that on the schedule when everyone begged for it nobody showed up to race it. It was the least attended class. F1 cars launch at half the tracks we race at.