As a followup to the security seal question above: false purchase orders have been made with legitimate info but with separate shipping addresses and billing info. I don't know if it has happened in the slot car industry but it has elsewhere. The only trouble with this method is that it leaves a paper trail...
Counterfeit Pro Slot motor seals
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, Apr 23 2016 01:29 PM
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 12:22 AM
So which accusation is 100% correct?
Time to lock this can of garbage worms.
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 04:46 AM
Just to clear up the misconception, those endbells are not glued on. That may have been the original intent but the last four I took apart were just screwed on and the can tabs were bent. Not hard at all to separate the two.
True, $18 to refurb a $13 motor may not be worth it. It's all about going after the elusive top 1% motor without spending gads of money. If you got a really good motor, why not get it refurbed? It could improve, or not.
I heard a new line that I believe is applicable to this situation.
"That will just cost you more to lose."
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 06:53 AM
This particular bogus seal being discussed here is a different material than the real one. So it is not being made by the Pro Slot seal supplier. With today's printing technology this seal may be being made in the cheater's den.
The OP started this thread to warn tech inspectors of this situation. Whether it is a major event or just weekly racing, look out for these. If you find one, call the cheater out on it. Make it known to everyone racing who the cheater is and what you found.. Then ban him for life from ever racing with you guys again. Then post what has happened on your Facebook page. Name names.
And the excuse that it is a borrowed motor/car or whatever lame story they come up with... BANNED! The racer is responsible for the equipment he races.
The OP started this thread to warn tech inspectors of this situation. Whether it is a major event or just weekly racing, look out for these. If you find one, call the cheater out on it. Make it known to everyone racing who the cheater is and what you found.. Then ban him for life from ever racing with you guys again. Then post what has happened on your Facebook page. Name names.
And the excuse that it is a borrowed motor/car or whatever lame story they come up with... BANNED! The racer is responsible for the equipment he races.
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 07:24 AM
Any "approved tamperer" should also have "approved tape."
Bill, I tried to point this out in the beginning of this thread when the accusation was made that a certain motor refurbisher might be behind this.
Expect to get a "Give it a rest, Bill" from James Merriman.
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 07:49 AM
So where is this Pro Slot security tape being applied to the motors? In China by the manufacturer or in the US in Michigan?
Has anybody asked Dan Debella if there has been a security tape material change at wherever it's being applied?
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 09:31 AM
There was, at one time awhile back, a picture of a certain person's work space that showed several strips of security tape stuck to the side of a wall. I don't remember the exact quotation but it was similar to "not so hard to remove in one piece". Maybe someone more familiar with this site than me can remember that photo.
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 09:57 AM
Is anyone really surprised by the information contained in the OP?
Now... is it just one enterprising (if misguided) egomaniac or, perhaps, another organized slotcrime?
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 10:09 AM
Please, please make this thread stop! 
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 10:13 AM
That photo was of the old foil type seals, not the new type seals.
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 10:20 AM
Fred,
As Rick pointed out, what you are referring to were the old foil seals which were chrome/silver and shown in this THREAD.
Or possibly as Bill F mentions below, Parma Deathstar foil seals.
Regardless, your post is confusing and pointless to this thread.
As Rick pointed out, what you are referring to were the old foil seals which were chrome/silver and shown in this THREAD.
Or possibly as Bill F mentions below, Parma Deathstar foil seals.
Regardless, your post is confusing and pointless to this thread.
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 10:31 AM
Cheaters are going to cheat, if there is a will, there is a way...
Kinda like "haters gonna hate"...
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 10:35 AM
There was, at one time awhile back, a picture of a certain person's work space that showed several strips of security tape stuck to the side of a wall. I don't remember the exact quotation but it was similar to "not so hard to remove in one piece". Maybe someone more familiar with this site than me can remember that photo.
Fred, I think I recall the photo you're mentioning. IIRC those were Parma Deathstar tapes stuck on the edge of a refridgerator door. I don't know where that photo is, but it may have come up in one of the threads discussing Ken O's California operation. Sam, where is it?
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 11:34 AM
It is what it is today. We race sealed/tamper resistant motors. A few years back when we raced restricted classes, we bought arms, lots of arms for the sweet 5%ers, now we buy cheap motors, same game different rules.
BTW, the cheap motors are 1/2 to 1/4 the price of an arm. A little fiddlin' with the brush hoods or your own special break-in method and go test them out. Race the good ones and toss the bad into a box where you store your old arms...
BTW, the cheap motors are 1/2 to 1/4 the price of an arm. A little fiddlin' with the brush hoods or your own special break-in method and go test them out. Race the good ones and toss the bad into a box where you store your old arms...
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 12:18 PM
Yup, that's racing... everyone looking for that 0.01% gain in speed.
As they say, speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?
As they say, speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 04:39 PM
Hasn't this thread run its course? Time to lock it up?
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Posted 27 April 2016 - 04:44 PM
Yes, I agree.
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