Jump to content




Photo

Ferrari 330 P4 comes back to life


  • Please log in to reply
90 replies to this topic

#26 Bill from NH

Bill from NH

    Age scrubs away speed!

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,315 posts
  • Joined: 02-August 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Boston, NH

Posted 18 December 2016 - 06:19 PM

Gizmo is dc-65x's generic name for a whole bunch of different tools. They're all related to a thing-a-ma-jig. :victory:


  • Samiam likes this
Bill Fernald
 
I intend to live forever!  So far, so good.  :laugh2:  :laugh2: 




#27 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,364 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Tennessee

Posted 18 December 2016 - 06:53 PM

Some small details are done:

-orange donuts are glued and curing

-Gold Cup flag shaft has thin wall tube secured

-flag tube is cut to size, polished, and elevated above the block .088"

-Wildcat endbell holes tapped 2-56 (I just love saying it - Wildcat  :laugh2: )

-iso hinge wire holes drilled in bracket sides

 

Jigged up with first rails tacked. Forward crosspiece is just temporary to secure the rails for now

 

IMG_4225.JPG


  • Jencar17 and C. J. Bupgoo like this

Paul Wolcott


#28 old & gray

old & gray

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,173 posts
  • Joined: 15-April 11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:CT

Posted 18 December 2016 - 10:31 PM

IMHO the only good Castleton bracket is one Pablo or some other craftsman has spent hours working over! :D Otherwise they are junk.

 

 

Now I understand why  a kid with a Weller gun, a couple of files, and a hand drill had so many problems getting a chassis to handle in 1967.


  • Half Fast, Samiam and Mach9 like this
Bob Schlain

#29 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,364 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Tennessee

Posted 19 December 2016 - 04:40 PM

I get your point, Bob, and agree only partially. The pros back then didn't have many special precision tools but managed to make them handle.

 

Time_machine_1.jpg

 

post-91-0-64907700-1455513529.jpg

 

The trick is knowing where poor tolerances will and won't hurt performance.

Example; I doubt having an inline motor cocked to one side a little would make any noticeable difference.

 

Mike Steube, in his retro building video, points out some of his best retro handlers had flaws, therefore didn't insist everything be exact.

Of course there are things that HAVE to be perfect - low CG, strong solder joints, amount and location of flex, etc.

Things like a downward tilted flag or parts binding are just a couple examples of instant handling killers.

I think that's what my old and gray buddy refers to.

 

I spend lots of time getting these things perfect because I have the time and I enjoy it.

By the time one of my cars gets tested, I pretty much know it's going to handle - the benefit of precision.

 

IMG_1964.JPG

 

Back in the day, the pros could build one in a matter of hours.

Even today with all my special tools, if you told me I had a night to build one, I couldn't.

It would take a lot more than a six pack of Pepsi and a pizza for sure :crazy:

pablo coke.jpg

 

Enough talk - where did I put those doggone .062 axle keepers ? :dash2: :D


  • C. J. Bupgoo likes this

Paul Wolcott


#30 Bill from NH

Bill from NH

    Age scrubs away speed!

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,315 posts
  • Joined: 02-August 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Boston, NH

Posted 19 December 2016 - 08:42 PM

The pros back then had the Russkit jig. :)  :)


  • Joe Mig likes this
Bill Fernald
 
I intend to live forever!  So far, so good.  :laugh2:  :laugh2: 

#31 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,364 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Tennessee

Posted 20 December 2016 - 01:58 PM

I think that's enough main rails

 

IMG_4233.JPG


  • Jencar17, Bud Greene and C. J. Bupgoo like this

Paul Wolcott


#32 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,364 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Tennessee

Posted 20 December 2016 - 08:08 PM

Added some weight to the front end. If it needs more I'll just slap a piece of lead or a Classic weight on top

 

IMG_4244.JPG


  • Jencar17 likes this

Paul Wolcott


#33 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,364 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Tennessee

Posted 21 December 2016 - 03:09 PM

Originally I planned to round off the front corners but decided against it.

The "square" front end kind of grew on me, so it stays. Love it or hate it :)

 

IMG_4252.JPG

 

Sleeved Gold Cup flag with two Koford spacers ready. I'll start with one.

Attention to detail - I didn't just assume both spacers would fall free over the sleeve to sit flat on the flag deck - I checked it - normal procedure

 

IMG_4248.JPG


  • Jencar17 likes this

Paul Wolcott


#34 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,364 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Tennessee

Posted 21 December 2016 - 06:13 PM

With the exception of flag stops, center section is done

 

IMG_4257.JPG

 

IMG_4269.JPG


  • Jencar17, Bud Greene and Samiam like this

Paul Wolcott


#35 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,364 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Tennessee

Posted 22 December 2016 - 08:38 PM

2,000 grit sandpaper mikes about 6 thou. I used it to space the twin .063" wire Iso rails while tacking the hinge gizmo

 

IMG_4282.JPG


  • Jencar17, MSwiss and C. J. Bupgoo like this

Paul Wolcott


#36 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,364 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Tennessee

Posted 22 December 2016 - 09:28 PM

Hinge wires managed by .063" keepers butted up against bracket sides

 

IMG_4293.JPG


  • Jencar17, SlotStox#53 and C. J. Bupgoo like this

Paul Wolcott


#37 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,364 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Tennessee

Posted 22 December 2016 - 11:13 PM

Using keepers to manage the Iso hinges worked pretty well, eliminating the need for a cross-connector to prevent spreading

 

IMG_4299.JPG

 

IMG_4296.JPG

 

 


  • Jencar17, Bud Greene, Samiam and 2 others like this

Paul Wolcott


#38 Bill from NH

Bill from NH

    Age scrubs away speed!

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,315 posts
  • Joined: 02-August 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Boston, NH

Posted 23 December 2016 - 03:41 PM

Pablo. a clean looking chassis design so far! I want to watch how you attach pans or outriggers. (Hint) Pans could be made of brass rods too. :)


  • Samiam likes this
Bill Fernald
 
I intend to live forever!  So far, so good.  :laugh2:  :laugh2: 

#39 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,364 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Tennessee

Posted 23 December 2016 - 05:18 PM

You mean like my Jupiter chassis ? :D

 

DSC04620.JPG

 

That's a good hint, Bill, my plan is definitely brass rod. Stay tuned.......


  • Jencar17, Bud Greene, Tim Wilkins and 1 other like this

Paul Wolcott


#40 Bill from NH

Bill from NH

    Age scrubs away speed!

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,315 posts
  • Joined: 02-August 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Boston, NH

Posted 23 December 2016 - 09:45 PM

That one looks like it could have been built by a drunken sailor. :shout:  :shout:


Bill Fernald
 
I intend to live forever!  So far, so good.  :laugh2:  :laugh2: 

#41 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,364 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Tennessee

Posted 23 December 2016 - 10:19 PM

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Bill :sun_bespectacled:

This Ferrari chassis needs to make the (curled) body skirts behave and I'll do the best I can.

I transitioned the Iso piano wire rails to brass rod with .047" spacers. From here on it will be all brass......

 

IMG_4317.JPG


  • Jencar17, havlicek, Samiam and 2 others like this

Paul Wolcott


#42 havlicek

havlicek

    OCD Rewinder

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,198 posts
  • Joined: 20-August 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NY

Posted 24 December 2016 - 08:16 AM

Schweet!  Last time I saw that much brass, it was in High School band!  :D

 

-john


John Havlicek

#43 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,364 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Tennessee

Posted 24 December 2016 - 09:03 AM

Should look nice with the yellow Wildcat, eh John ? :)


Paul Wolcott


#44 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,364 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Tennessee

Posted 24 December 2016 - 03:55 PM

My method of dealing with the curled body skirts:

Upper and lower .063" outrigger type rod pieces with mounting tubes sandwiched between.

Upper rod is slightly inward of the lower rod and mounting tubes are slightly indented.

Nothing but rounded surfaces will touch the body

 

IMG_4331.JPG

 

Iso stop - it only takes a hair of movement to make the design work it's magic - I used a sliver of 400 grit sandpaper when I tacked the gizmo on

 

IMG_4335.JPG

 

Time to put a chassis in the tumbler and a ham in the oven for Christmas :dance3:

 

IMG_4339.JPG

 

IMG_4340.JPG

 

Merry Christmas everyone :wave:

 


  • Jencar17, miko, Bud Greene and 2 others like this

Paul Wolcott


#45 dc-65x

dc-65x

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,823 posts
  • Joined: 14-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Captain Rick: The only vintage slot car nut in SW Oregon?

Posted 24 December 2016 - 05:01 PM

 

.........and a ham in the oven for Christmas :dance3:

 

Merry Christmas Pablo and you and your "little buddies" take it easy on that ham! :crazy:


Rick Thigpen
Check out Steve Okeefe's great web site at its new home here at Slotblog:
The Independent Scratchbuilder
There's much more to come...


#46 Samiam

Samiam

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,747 posts
  • Joined: 18-January 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Long Island, NY

Posted 24 December 2016 - 06:12 PM

WOW!

 

That is one classic looking chassis. Love the " All rod...Nuthin' but rod " theme. Nice. :good: 

 

Merry Christmas


Sam Levitch
 
"If you have integrity, nothing else matters, and if you do not have integrity, nothing else matters."
    Robert Mueller, special counsel (2013)
 
"... because people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook."
    Richard M .Nixon, Nov 17, 1973
 
"Fool me once, same on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again."
    George W. Bush

#47 Eddie Fleming

Eddie Fleming

    Posting Leader

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,760 posts
  • Joined: 27-April 14
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Fayetteville, GA USA

Posted 24 December 2016 - 08:05 PM

Merry Christmas Pablo.

 

Great looking sled.


  • gc4895 likes this
Eddie Fleming

#48 Bill from NH

Bill from NH

    Age scrubs away speed!

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,315 posts
  • Joined: 02-August 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Boston, NH

Posted 24 December 2016 - 08:52 PM

A+++


Bill Fernald
 
I intend to live forever!  So far, so good.  :laugh2:  :laugh2: 

#49 Pablo

Pablo

    Builder

  • Administrator
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,364 posts
  • Joined: 20-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cleveland, Tennessee

Posted 25 December 2016 - 10:07 AM

Thanks everybody :)

 

IMG_4349.JPG

 

IMG_4352.JPG

 

IMG_4354.JPG

 

IMG_4356.JPG

 

IMG_4359.JPG

 

IMG_4364.JPG


  • Chris Stemman, miko, Bud Greene and 2 others like this

Paul Wolcott


#50 dc-65x

dc-65x

    Grand Champion Poster

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,823 posts
  • Joined: 14-February 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Captain Rick: The only vintage slot car nut in SW Oregon?

Posted 25 December 2016 - 11:06 AM

Your building skills and that Mississippi water in your tumbler sure make for a pretty chassis!


Rick Thigpen
Check out Steve Okeefe's great web site at its new home here at Slotblog:
The Independent Scratchbuilder
There's much more to come...






Electric Dreams Online Shop