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#51 Pablo

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:07 PM

The water here (about 7 miles away from my old place) is in a different county and it appears just as pure and clear but tastes of slightly higher chlorine content.

Seems to work just as well :good:

 

Bill with his eagle eyes probably thought I'd forgotten this - nope - lately I've been JB Welding them.

Gave me an excuse to sit around all morning eating ham, stuffing mix and apple pie while it cured :dance3:

 

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My food coma has worn off, now it's time to trim some fat (off the donuts :) ).....

 

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 03:55 PM

Loving the squared off front to the chassis rails Pablo :)

Really looks the part :D

Other chassis you showed is neat!

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 04:06 PM

Thanks, Paul - that was The Jupiter inline with 26D H Power motor
 
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Posted 26 December 2016 - 10:02 AM

Bill with his eagle eyes probably thought I'd forgotten this - nope - lately I've been JB Welding them.


Why did you go to JB Weld? Actually, I hadn't noticed it missing. :) 

But now that you brought it up, I would have wanted to put the added weight, regardless of how few grams it was, in the center of the chassis for balance purposes. Any offset weight that absolutely had to be placed in one direction could have been counter balanced by a piece of .016 brass placed in the opposite direction. :laugh2: .

I might have put two centersection down-stops further outward from the chassis centerline to free up name tag space in the chassis middle. :crazy:  

But it's still a great looking chassis, Pablo, and Kim should be pleased.

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Posted 26 December 2016 - 12:11 PM

The JB Weld on the brass tags is just something I tried in an effort to not foul it with solder residue, and I liked it.

As far as weight, now you're talking crazy. :crazy: :laugh2:  How heavy is a 15 thou 1/4" by 1/2" brass piece? I weighed one for ya - 0.2 grams.

Speaking of offsets, Bill, note the Iso stop gizmo is off center by .063" to starboard - the tag being located slightly to port counterbalances it. :wacko2:
 
A couple minor problems which I fixed:

- I forgot the doggone flag stops, so I added them then re-tumbled the chassis.
- The Gold Cup flag cracked when I inserted the brushes, so I found a used Cox instead.
 
Assembly is complete (minus rear inserts) and she passes the drivetrain test with the proverbial "flying colors."
 
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Time to turn my attention to the body...
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Posted 26 December 2016 - 12:16 PM

Looks great, it also looks short to me. What is the wheelbase? Could be just the photos or me.
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Posted 26 December 2016 - 12:45 PM

Wheelbase - 3-7/8".
Guide lead - 3/4".
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Posted 26 December 2016 - 05:47 PM

First I simply washed it with liquid dish soap and water - amazing improvement

 

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Posted 26 December 2016 - 07:21 PM

I would have placed the name tag on the bottom of the chassis. That way you wouldn't have to take the body off to determine who made it. :sarcastic_hand:  

My Limpach 888 has the chassis number engraved on the top of the droparm, but the name "Limpach 888" is engraved on its bottom.

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Posted 26 December 2016 - 10:15 PM

Bill,

I'm convinced you have a Limpach 888 chassis there - but who assembled it? :sarcastic_hand:
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Posted 26 December 2016 - 11:33 PM

My chassis is a low number, so I'm sure it was assembled by Jan Limpach.

Also, the "Built By Jam Limpach" is hand engraved rather than done in block letters made with a set of punches as the later 888s were marked. I think it is #115, but I'll have to check tomorrow.

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Posted 27 December 2016 - 07:42 PM

Pablo,

My 888 chassis is #112.

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 01:01 AM

No doubt I've lost this joust, so I bow to the gentleman from New Hampshire. :blush:  The humor is appreciated. :)
 
Today was a good day for this car:

- a Slotblog friend is sending me the inserts :heart: (another Slotblogger even offered to send me some from 5,000 miles away!! :heart:)
- body trimmed fairly level and mounting holes punched; better than expected given the challenges.
- added a couple new "korrect" decals and dressed up the trim lines a little.
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Posted 28 December 2016 - 07:21 AM

Very nice looking project, my friend.


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Posted 28 December 2016 - 07:50 AM

Nice project! 

 

Regards the body, John Dilworth in the UK has managed to re-pull it.

 

He took the mold from a badly warped and damaged original and considering what he had to work with and not having a complete body to compare it with, I think he's done quite a decent job of it! He's also made an interior to suit.

 

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 11:59 AM

Thanks, Tony :victory:  Cool, John :good:

The owner of this particular body won a concours de'elegance with it back in the day, so it has historical value.

 

Doing some freaky experiments today in an attempt to restore the body and match the paint.

Using a spoiler bender to remove the "taco'ed" butyrate on the skirts didn't work:

 

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Three different kinds of paint on two different types of clear tape and a Lexan sheet

 

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 04:47 PM

A stubborn smear of 45 year old glue remained on the left window that refused to budge

 

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One swipe of brushed on glazing medium made it disappear

 

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Model Master "Transparent Red" turned out to be an excellent color match to fix the paint blemishes.

The creases in the skirts are red now  :) along with all the other bad spots

 

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Posted 29 December 2016 - 07:54 PM

Body skirt improvement experiments continue.....

 

I don't have any AMON waterslide decals so I'll make my own.

 

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Posted 29 December 2016 - 11:18 PM

Most of my experiments failed (they always do) but didn't cost much and nothing was ruined :dance3:

For the skirt repair/restoration, acrylic red paint airbrushed on Lexan bulletproofing turned out to be my best option.

1/4" tall strips inside the body skirt bottoms extend slightly past the harpoon holes

 

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It did the best job, IMO, of hiding the bad spots, strengthening the mounting area, and looking original as possible

 

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Time to spray Testors Decal Bonder onto the home made AMON waterslides...... :)


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 04:29 PM

I found a prancing horse (Ferrari) sticker that compliments the Wildcat Havlicek-built motor.

Thanks to my great Slotblog friend, Don Weaver. :good:
 
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Posted 30 December 2016 - 04:43 PM

P4 is my absolute favorite car.
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Posted 30 December 2016 - 06:45 PM

Two coats of Mop & Glo over the entire body and decals. Interior Scotch-taped in front only.
 
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Posted 30 December 2016 - 06:57 PM

Here are some better "before" photos to give you a better understanding of the improvements:

 

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Posted 02 January 2017 - 11:09 AM

Inserts were .565" OD and needed to be .500".
 
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Since they'll get knock-offs anyway, I punched the nuts out and used my poor man's lathe to trim and true both widths and ODs,
 
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Posted 02 January 2017 - 11:34 AM

You Hudy'd them! :sarcastic_hand:

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Posted 02 January 2017 - 11:56 AM

So? My poor man's lathe is poorer than Pablo's... it's a variable-speed drill and a file! Heck, I used to use that set-up to 'turn' burned comms on arms... using a thin strip of 600 grit instead of the file, of course.
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Posted 02 January 2017 - 01:45 PM

600 grit on a comm? :shok:  Ouch, Cheater, that's coarse - I use 2,000 for comms. :)
 
My calibrated Triggerman "Knob Job" came in real handy on the inserts - no guessing - once I found the .500" setting on the first one, the next three were no-brainers :)


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Posted 02 January 2017 - 01:47 PM

Forty years ago I didn't have a source for 2,000 grit paper. So I just used real worn 600...

And I had to walk uphill both ways in the snow just to buy the 600 stuff, too.
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Posted 02 January 2017 - 02:19 PM

I had crocus cloth, about 1000 grit, in those days. And I walked in way more snow than you did (still do). :laugh2:  

 

I still like crocus cloth, but don't keep too much around, having Flexi-I-Grit. It's been around for more than 40 years too, but wasn't always owned by K&S.


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Posted 02 January 2017 - 08:38 PM

Model Master acrylic gold airbrushed on.
 
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Posted 02 January 2017 - 09:23 PM

Will you have gold knock-off hubs, too?
 
Could you also use Cox axles and miniature acorn nuts like those on a Cuc's front wheels?

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 11:33 AM

Gold colored nuts, hmmm, I'll have to ponder that... :D
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 01:47 PM

Sorry, Bill, my acorn nuts are just too big. :)  Knockoffs also seem way out of scale on these wheels and inserts.
So, I went for the polished axle ends look.
 
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In the end, I was able to make both front and rear wheel widths 2-7/8".
 
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Track test this Saturday. Weight is 133 grams.
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 02:31 PM

:good:


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Posted 04 January 2017 - 02:38 PM

Great job, as always, Pablo.

 

Not sure if you want to "hide" your handiwork, but you can do some printing and trimming, and stick an engine in your rear window.

 

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 03:32 PM

Cool idea, Mike, but I think it would ruin the view of the H Power K&B Wildcat.
 
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The owner can do it if he wants but if it was mine, I wouldn't mess with perfection. :laugh2:
 
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Posted 04 January 2017 - 05:16 PM

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 05:30 PM

Is that for the car?
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Posted 14 January 2017 - 10:36 PM

Track test today: absolutely perfect. Wildcat H-motor is very strong, plenty of brakes, and runs cool.

 

Car handles great - no problems - no deslots after about 30 laps.

 

The only Jail Door Ferrari 330s I've built that handled as well as this one were those with over 3" widths. t's totally planted in the slot, scoots hard and smooth, and corners like a dream.

 

Mission accomplished. Onward!  :) 


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Posted 15 January 2017 - 09:07 AM

Super-nice build Pablo.  I get a real charge out of seeing the motors wind up in such a lovely car...build-on!

 

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