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[Cheater]

Pretty common in lots of 1:1 racing series, Will.

[Noose]

And then there is Sunday...

[willy wonka]

See everyone Sunday!

[Butters37]

I think the assumption from a racer's aspect is that it be a larger race most, if not all, will race Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Sunday having no bearing on hand-outs it serves no purpose here. But if someone willingly does not run Coupe why should the racers invest the time to be at the whole race be penalized?

I understand we want to be fair to all. But if conflicts arise and someone can't get to the race Thursday... I don't see why it has to effect everyone. Same as any race. If you can't make it for practice that doesn't mean all racers can't practice.

The hand-out situation has already made it a level playing field. And it's now a person's choice on what they do with their time and plan accordingly to race the R4 that best suits them. I made my plans as well have many others. We are taking time off work and spending money to race. At this point it seems we are there for no other reason then to break-in the track so come Saturday someone can just walk in and have the same one hour of practice and motor prep as guys who have just spent days at your track and spent money at your business.

Fair is great but in some aspects there is a point where to be fair to the few you are being unfair with the masses and our money.

The cream will rise to the top as it always does, I get that. But it seems that the timetable is more suited to an ORS race with hand-outs compared to a Preimer event.

Mike, we will all live by whatever you have decided either way. And I'm sure it will still be good racing. These are just concerns, as I'm sure you, Cindy, and Eric have many concerns as well to make this event run smooth and be worth your time and effort.

[willy wonka]

May as well race IROC cars at this race. Like lets gear the biggest Retro event of the year up for the guy who shows up day of. Makes complete sense.

[Matt Sheldon]

No, just not penalizing the racer who can only show up the day of the race.

Walk a mile in the other racer's shoes, you know...

 

Definitely penalizes the majority and the travelers with the additional financial investment. We all know what happens when you try to satisfy everyone. Friday is the raceday!

[Matt Sheldon]

Pretty common in lots of 1:1 racing series, Will.

 

Disagree! Organized 1:1 racing waits for nobody!

[Cheater]

You missed my point. You won't get on most 1:1 tracks to practice if you show up a day or more early.

[Butters37]

If Mercedes doesn't show up til race day I don't think Ferrari can't practice or work on the engine til raceday, Greg.

[Butters37]

But practice and engine tuning is done at the start, Greg. Not just track time because others don't show up.

[Noose]

And then there is Sunday where you run what you brung so you can go home early.

[willy wonka]

Making it fair for everyone but penalize the majority of people that actually made your event a priority by taking time off work, traveling, etc. Makes sense.

[willy wonka]

Might not be many left by Sunday LOL.

[Cheater]

But practice and engine tuning is done at the start, Greg. Not just track time because others don't show up.

Different question, Butters.

Will's post #25 only referenced on-track testing time and his question is what I was responding to.

[Matt Sheldon]

You missed my point. You won't get on most 1:1 tracks to practice if you show up a day or more early.

They are also not handing me my engine at 8 AM and telling me I can only idle it in the pits.

[Cheater]

Apples and oranges, Matt.

If you had raced in the now-defunct IROC series, you just put your safety gear on and strapped into the car.

[Butters37]

Apples and organs when you compared slots to 1:1 racing. Let's not even go on that is a dumb path.

 

This is about slots and the schedule for the R4.

[Noose]

Comparisons to real racing are moot point here. Greg, when was the last time you broke-in a 7R Hawk Retro? Those of us that have know the time allowed is not enough and then no track time on top of it. I said this months ago.

[Matt Sheldon]

Apples and oranges, Matt.

If you had raced in the now-defunct IROC series, you just put your safety gear on and strapped into the car.

You made the reference to 1:1 so it is apples to apples.
 
But this is not IROC so that is an apples to oranges comparative.

[Brinkley47]

All the time

[willy wonka]

Comparisons to real racing are moot point here.  Greg, when was the last time you broke in a 7R Hawk Retro? Those of us that have know the time allowed is not enough and then no track time on top of it. I said this months ago.

If Mike was more aware of the break-in time maybe the schedule would have been different? I'm not sure but I've known these motors to run a very long time with next to no brush wear when ran "dry" on a supply.

[Cheater]

Here's Will exact question: "I have raced all my life and wore all available shoes. Some days I showed up raceday, others I showed up Tuesday. When I showed up on raceday, I did not expect the track to limit my competitor's track time because I couldn't show up until Saturday.
 
Why would anyone think that is OK? Where else do they do that?"

And that's the only one I answered and it does not apply to other aspects of the R4/10 scenario.

[Brinkley47]

You missed my point. You won't get on most 1:1 tracks to practice if you show up a day or more early.

 

You haven't been around much 1:1 racing then.

[Tom Thumb Hobbies]

It seems like the schedule is not very popular. Although most comments have been from "A-listers". When someone claims they have been screwed or cheated at a race it usually means that they didn't get a benefit or something that another racer(s) got. Can just one of you explain how anyone is being cheated or screwed here when everyone will be treated exactly the same?

[Brinkley47]

Especially in snow or rain