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[Grant G.]

My two cents. 

 

The Mossetti I measured this weekend on the front wings was 3.254". Did the manufacturer intend to hit 3.250? My guess is probably yes, the cut in and out on the waterjet/laser they used is a little rough. I only measured one chassis, maybe some are more, some are less. I would not have a problem if a grinder was taken to it bring it back into spec. 

 

I think the rules could be updated to include this mod, just like the rule for altering the motor box area was allowed a few years ago to accommodate the 16Ds that were running at the time. 

 

The rules should break the max width rule of 3.250" into a chassis max and a body max (3.3"?) like the IRRA^® has done in their ruleset. When i measured my JK C11 I have been using for 10 years the chassis meets the 3.250" rule, but with body pins I was at 3.3" and per the rules, probably not legal. 

[CoastalAngler1]

I have two Defender chassis that measure 3.262" and 3.259" at the front hooks. I'm running them until they are deemed not legal.

 

Funny how weekly racing in FL allows Outisight bodies and any flexi chassis... front wheels fell off yes, but  they are still at .062" clearance.  .050" clearance will not damage tracks, and has been tested successfully at Holly Hill in the crossover.

 

C'mon, mannnnn...

83 mm width 

.050" clearance

 

Keep up!

[Danny Zona]

My two cents. 
 
The Mossetti I measured this weekend on the front wings was 3.254". Did the manufacturer intend to hit 3.250? My guess is probably yes, the cut in and out on the waterjet/laser they used is a little rough. I only measured one chassis, maybe some are more, some are less. I would not have a problem if a grinder was taken to it bring it back into spec. 
 
I think the rules could be updated to include this mod, just like the rule for altering the motor box area was allowed a few years ago to accommodate the 16Ds that were running at the time. 
 
The rules should break the max width rule of 3.250" into a chassis max and a body max (3.3"?) like the IRRA^® has done in their ruleset. When i measured my JK C11 I have been using for 10 years the chassis meets the 3.250" rule, but with body pins I was at 3.3" and per the rules, probably not legal.

 
I love your opinion on this matter.

The only thing I disagree with is the Mosseti on the 3.250" width.

All the major race series, USRA, ISRA, and the FNRS have a 83mm width rule. I would think Mosseti coordinated with what is considered "the norm."

[Ralph Thorne]

The USRA and FNRS both use .047" rear clearance and 83mm max width. It would be nice to see the FSCS on the same page, but that's their decision. I'm sure they are discussing that and other things privately. The FSCS and GRRR have both had nice turn-outs this year, hopefully a small issue like this won't impede both series progress.

 

Of minor note, all JK and Mossetti chassis will be legal for the November 4 FNRS race at Fast Eddie's.

[Jay Guard]

You are correct Ralph, the FSCS BoD is currently discussing these issues.

[Biscuit]

Ralph,
 
You mean to tell me FL is finally getting a big race?? That's some great news right there!! We have been waiting for years, it's about time LOL.

[Ralph Thorne]

Yes, and judging by the list of accomplishments in your signature you will definitely be the odds on favorite to win, LOL.

[Danny Zona]

I can vouch for Biscuit being the night Race Place practice champ on black lane.

Ha-ha.

[CoastalAngler1]

Dreams do come true! Can't believe it took until today to find the February 21 post on the FNRS FB page. Spread that rumor!
 
My prediction is orange qualifying will break 3.0 seconds with a Mossetti chassis. Qualifying will be very important.

[Danny Zona]

Dreams do come true! Can't believe it took until today to find the February 21 post on the FNRS FB page. Spread that rumor! My prediction is orange qualifying will break 3.0 seconds with a Mossetti chassis. Qualifying will be very important.

So fast some don't want them legal. LOL.

[Ralph Thorne]

Dreams do come true! Can't believe it took until today to find the February 21 post on the FNRS FB page. Spread that rumor!

 
Well to be fair the original schedule post had November 4 as TBA, it was edited a few days ago after I confirmed everything with Ed.

[Tampabay racer]

3.0 is a far fetch Charlie, I've seen a Hawk 6 go 3.85 on Orlando Saturday after the races where over. However it was a new JK with aluminum pan.

[CoastalAngler1]

I heard some guy named Ron from up north is coming. And O/S bodies will be legal, too. Break out your Kelly Daytona stash!  
 
You guys got way more stash than me - can I get some secret tires sponsored?
 
Can't wait for some new spanking lessons - Go Mossetti chassis!

[CoastalAngler1]

3.0 is a far fetch Charlie, I've seen a hawk 6 go 3.85 on Orlando Saturday after the races where over. However it was a new JK with aluminum pan.

Brian - not Hillclimb, oval. I know you hate oval. Stop racing NASCAR oval. You got me with that Tito's Truth Serum, I swear!

[swodem]

Does any other country, besides the USA, still use Imperial measurements?
 
We changed over to the dreaded metric system a few years ago, but I cannot get my head around it. 

Umm that was 50 years ago, almost to the day!!!

[Zippity]

Umm that was 50 years ago, almost to the day!!!

 

I wasn't talking $ and cents:

 

On Monday 10 July 1967 ("Decimal Currency Day"), the New Zealand dollar was introduced to replace the pound at a rate of two dollars to one pound (one dollar to ten shillings, ten cents to one shilling, ⁵⁄₆ cent to a penny).

 

New Zealand started metrication in 1969 with the establishment of the Metric Advisory Board (MAB) and completed metrication on 14 December 1976.

[swodem]

Well, I was too young to remember this stuff but you've had 41 years anyway, grandad.

[Danny Zona]

I know it's wishful thinking but I believe FL should convert over to FNRS rules..

They are on top of all "the new" products with a quickness!

Very basic and clear rules. IMO

Just a thought.

[Wizard Of Iz]

You are correct Ralph, the FSCS BoD is currently discussing these issues.

 

Guys... give Jay and the other guys on the BoD a chance to get it right. I think they're working pretty hard to keep racing going in Florida and are making progress in a number of areas.

 

Any of the rules that they carried over from My Series go back to 2007 with very few modifications. And many of those rules came from FL Div 2 and Florida AMSRA. I know because Greg, Buddy, and I used those when I typed those old guidelines up. I'll confess that I never even considered that the max width standard had progressed from 3.250" to 83mm. Nor had anyone ever brought it up. Ever. Remember... there wasn't a lot of time at the beginning of the year for FSCS to make many updates or changes.

 

I have confidence that that the current BoD will take this year to list and address the changes that need to be made for the future. Again... give them a chance to get it right.  

 

 

DZ... I have a handful of X25 centers that all have .025" pans as the one-piece X25 pan is too heavy. I measured a couple of cars with the stock bite bar and both can be measured at under 3.20" with the pans squeezed in and at about 3.26" to 3.27" with the pans forced out. The two one-piece X25 pans that I own are under 3.25". If someone ran a long bite bar, then they would have rendered themselves illegal – and the bite bar would be prone to jumping over the pan which ruins the handling.

[Danny Zona]

I can say the LMP I ran last year had and still has a long bite bar. Purposely.

Catching up with the times sounds good to me. ☺

[Tampabay racer]

Charlie,

 

That Titos magic I think is what caused that chair to buckle under me Saturday morning. I was still drunk and I think I missed the chair and caught the corner of it.

I think I did pretty well racing on the oval, considering I hate oval racing. I did beat a few fast people.

[Jason Holmes]

83mm has been in the Rule book at least from 2015 on

 

jason 

[Danny Zona]

I have confidence that that the current BoD will take this year to list and address the changes that need to be made for the future. Again... give them a chance to get it right.

I definitely agree with giving the BoD a chance.

I and many others were making sure that the 83mm rule is a standard for chassis width after a BoD member posted illegal in capital letters in his view on here.

It was right after a race that night where the Mosseti Defender sweep the podium on the same day.

It just seemed suspicious and premature to say illegal in capital letters with a quickness.

[Danny Zona]

I have a handful of X25 centers that all have .025" pans as the one-piece X25 pan is too heavy. I measured a couple of cars with the stock bite bar and both can be measured at under 3.20" with the pans squeezed in and at about 3.26" to 3.27" with the pans forced out. The two one-piece X25 pans that I own are under 3.25". If someone ran a long bite bar, then they would have rendered themselves illegal and the bite bar would be prone to jumping over the pan which ruins the handling.

 

Yes, with the pans squeezed in they pass.

But while on the track the pans float and spread while racing.

[Wizard Of Iz]

Granted that they move. Part of why it was a very competitive chassis until this latest crop of Mossettis.

But I don't think they would both float out at the same time if you're using the stock length bite bar. When I just picked the car up and measured, it was under 3.25"

We'd have to put a camera mounted to the body to really know what they do on the track. That would be cool to watch.