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[Slot Car Rod]

Years ago, Victor asked fellow MESAC member Roger Moon about this Porsche body.  Roger said it was a version of the Porsche 910/8 Bergspyder, and Ron Von Klein made the mold that also features a squared-off rear body. Victor said everyone in MESAC had one of these bodies, and they were all painted the same. These types of Porsches are basically hillclimb cars.  
 
I built one for myself using a body supplied by Victor. It is car no. 97 below. 
 
Here is Ron Von Klein's car.
 

 
Another original MESAC car.
 

 
Couple of unused MESAC Porsche bodies.
 

 
Here is the one I built. I used enamel silver paint. The wheels and inserts are Russkit.
 

 
Trying out a different compound of rear tires. The car is pretty fast and is easy to drive. MESAC tires and Mid-America brand soft tires work good with no tire glue.
 

 
The car has a conventional four-rail chassis and a Mura C-can motor.

 

 
Victor said the front tires were coated with enamel paint.
 

[don.siegel]

Thanks for sharing this Rod. Ugly, but fascinating. So, did this car actually exist? 

 

Looks like Ron Von Klein was experimenting with a straight sidewinder. Anybody else at MESAC? And did he cut out motor/magnet to get the motor to fit, or are the tires not that small? 

 

Don 

[Slot Car Rod]

Don, MESAC rules for minimum tire diameter (1/24th scale) was 7/8" front and rear.  Ron's car uses a small Mabuchi 13D based motor.

 

910 Bergspyder

 

 

Add the 908 tail

 

 

[Jaeger Team]

Thanks for sharing this Rod. Ugly, but fascinating. So, did this car actually exist? 
 
Looks like Ron Von Klein was experimenting with a straight sidewinder. Anybody else at MESAC? And did he cut out motor/magnet to get the motor to fit, or are the tires not that small? 
 
Don 

Yes it is very interesting, I guess the motor is a 13UO but it doesn't seem as stressed member..

[don.siegel]

Thanks guys, didn't realize it was a 13D - maybe an early peanut motor with super magnets? 

 

Don 

[gluebomb]

Lovely cars Rodney, love the MESAC stuff, your build also.

Gotta disagree with Don on this one - beautifully functional little car.

S.

[Slot Car Rod]

I agree Simon.  Also, it is amazing how small these cars are in real life.  

 

Here is the body mold.

[Flathead]

Thanks for sharing this Rod. Ugly, but fascinating. So, did this car actually exist? 
 
Don 

Don I suspect it is probably an earlier version of this car before nose was modified.



Photo borrowed from and more info here;

https://www.racingsp...1-11-28-091.jpg

[gluebomb]

Think this is the same car, or part of it maybe - it was restored to 1970 spec at the end of last year.

 

https://www.canepa.c...orsche-9067193/

 

S.

[gluebomb]

link i previously posted is down but here's a new one - restored car is currently for sale.

 

https://www.exoticca...pyder-for-sale/

[Mark Onofri]

I've been waiting since 75 to build a MESCA car. Thanks to Victor, it's starting to come together.

[Mark Onofri]

This is a MESCA with a 13. I'm going to guess that the motor in the photo is a shortened 12

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[Bill from NH]

Looks like a Champion 16D can & endbell to me. Note factory screw-mounting hole on top of the can.

[Mark Onofri]

Would it be possible to post a photo of the rear of the chassis? And, are the front wheels hinged?
Billnh, have you ever tried to enlarge a photo to match the real part? I've done it many times but I didn't have a chance to do it with this one. Pretty sure it's a 13.

[Bill from NH]

I don't think Champion ever had a 13, can or endbell. But I've been wrong before. Where did
the photo in post #12 come from? The chassis is neatly constructed. Is it 1/32 or 1/24? It
looks like it has 80 pitch gears.

[Mark Onofri]

The motor is a modified 13D with an NCC20 armature, cut down Mura B-can end-bell, and mystery cut down magnets.A quote from Rodney's Porsche build

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[Bill from NH]

The 13D motor you posted above is not the same as what you posted in post #12. Put whatever you want in your cars.

[Martin]

I can see why Mark saw it as a 13D size motor. It does look narrow, but cannot tell if is the camera foreshorten things or did someone section a Champion can, "shortened 12" as Mark suggests?

 

The MESAC folks did like their 13D motors that we know.

[Mark Onofri]

Billnh, the photo was in this magazine. Amazing its survived this long.

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[Mark Onofri]

Slot Car Rod,I hope I haven't diverged* from the topic to far.
I've been studying this for what seems like hours and hours. 🙄 One thing that has become apparent is the chassis wire(s) magically change size. Highly possible that the motor, shape shifted too. I started to lay out the pieces parts for a MESCA build and to say it's a tight fit would be a understatement.
*Ps,just like Robert Fripp said: I am resplendent in divergence .

[Mr. M]

Can we see the underside of the RVK car at the beginning of this post?

[Mark Onofri]

Please

[Slot Car Rod]

Victor says the motor is a Champion.  He says the Champions were a popular motor with MESAC and the armatures used were Group 20.  Victor supplied these motor pictures.  I will ask Victor for pictures of the bottom of the car.

 

 

Motor size comparision

 

 

[Bill from NH]

Those look like a B-can, a 13D, & 4-16D size cans. The RVK car in post #! is a full sidewinder with a 13D can, the anglewinders shown do not. Could some of the later-built MESAC cars have also used C-cans?

[zipper]

Isn't it an A-can on the left?