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Posted 15 December 2022 - 12:22 PM

Having a maximum tire size is about the stupidest thing Ive ever heard in Slotcars

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Posted 15 December 2022 - 12:25 PM

What’s next everybody gets the same points for showing up??
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Posted 16 December 2022 - 09:40 AM

Good morning racers!

 

It's been a while since I have been on here posting anything but I have been reading a lot of the feedback from all the racers and trying to keep up with it all. Your input is very important to keeping the series going and I appreciate everyone that has made suggestions in this blog.

 

I am looking forward to the 2023 FSCS season and would like to see the series grow even more than it did in 2022.

With that in mind, I do not want to see a lot of changes in the rules for 2023 or try to reinvent the wheel.

If you look back at 2022 season at all the race results, the races were close for the most part and very competitive making it fun racing for the entire group. 

 

My proposal for the 2023 FSCS rules changes are pretty simple taking several racers input from this thread.

 

1. Motors - Drop the JK Retro Hawk motor from NASCAR & LMP

2. Gearing - Allow 13 or 14 tooth pinions for NASCAR & LMP for either motors while keeping the 35 tooth spur gear spec.

3. Bodies - Allow Kelly Eagle for LMP & Kelly Falcon for GTP. Allow Mid America 4" Mustang for NASCAR

 

I look forward to the feedback on these proposed changes for 2023 from all the racers and raceway owners.

 

Regards,

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Posted 16 December 2022 - 10:04 AM

I like Eddie's proposal.
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Posted 16 December 2022 - 10:19 AM

Drop the weight rule

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Posted 16 December 2022 - 10:27 AM

Good morning racers!

 

It's been a while since I have been on here posting anything but I have been reading a lot of the feedback from all the racers and trying to keep up with it all. Your input is very important to keeping the series going and I appreciate everyone that has made suggestions in this blog.

 

I am looking forward to the 2023 FSCS season and would like to see the series grow even more than it did in 2022.

With that in mind, I do not want to see a lot of changes in the rules for 2023 or try to reinvent the wheel.

If you look back at 2022 season at all the race results, the races were close for the most part and very competitive making it fun racing for the entire group. 

 

My proposal for the 2023 FSCS rules changes are pretty simple taking several racers input from this thread.

 

1. Motors - Drop the JK Retro Hawk motor from NASCAR & LMP

2. Gearing - Allow 13 or 14 tooth pinions for NASCAR & LMP for either motors while keeping the 35 tooth spur gear spec.

3. Bodies - Allow Kelly Eagle for LMP & Kelly Falcon for GTP. Allow Mid America 4" Mustang for NASCAR

 

I look forward to the feedback on these proposed changes for 2023 from all the racers and raceway owners.

 

Regards,

Sometimes Fast Eddie

 

 

Good Morning, Ed.  Thank you for all you (and Marcus and Mike/Joe) are doing to keep racing going in Florida.

 

Quick first reaction to your straight-forward proposals ...

 

1. Motors - Makes sense.  I doubt if anyone has entered a JK Hawk Retro in a long time

2. Gearing - Allow 13 or 14 ... If a 14 will also make the Mid America motor faster, then I'd advocate for keeping a 13 on that motor and just allow a 14 on the CR

3. Bodies - I still get a nervous tick when I think back to 2015 at SCR&H and struggling to get Kelly Daytona bodies.  Are Kelly bodies consistently available?

 

Either way .... I'm looking forward to the schedule release.  My feet and back have recovered from the Enduro and I'm ready to race.


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Posted 16 December 2022 - 10:31 AM

Drop the weight rule

 

 

I think the weight rule is a keeper.

 

I love that it makes a wider variety of chassis centers and pans competitive.


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Posted 16 December 2022 - 11:53 AM

Rollin,
Great point on Ed'd proposal #2.

If also allowing a 14 on the RE, and turning it into a faster one race motor, you've accomplished nothing.

That's assuming it can pull a 14.

Guys on my track gear the 102, 16-37, in our GTP class.

But note, that is also on what I call my recreational power setting, which is only approximately 12.2V.
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Posted 16 December 2022 - 12:05 PM

Rollin,
Great point on Ed'd proposal #2.

If also allowing a 14 on the RE, and turning it into a faster one race motor, you've accomplished nothing.

That's assuming it can pull a 14.

Guys on my track gear the 102, 16-37, in our GTP class.

But note, that is also on what I call my recreational power setting, which is only approximately 12.2V.

 

The Enduro was the first time I had used the CR ... and I came away very impressed by its longevity and consistency.  Well done, sir!

 

In fact ... where I once wanted to see us keep multiple motors legal to avoid making anyone's motor program obsolete ... I would now listen to a proposal to transition (perhaps by mid-year) where it's the only motor for NASCAR and LMP.


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Posted 16 December 2022 - 12:39 PM

I ran a CR 102 at The Viper pit last weekend in LMP I geared it 15-35. It was very fast. I was running 4.10s with a JK Audi lmp body. I did put my GTP on the track and ran 4.03 with a GTP body. I think geared correct the CR 102 is as fast as a GTP.

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Posted 16 December 2022 - 12:49 PM

"the CR 102 is as fast as a GTP"

I don't quite understand.
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Posted 16 December 2022 - 01:27 PM

RTR Raptor is the series GTP motor, atleast its the fastest motor to choose from.
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Posted 16 December 2022 - 01:32 PM

Thanks, now I get it.

Is the CR104 allowed in GTP?

That's my 55K motor.

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Posted 16 December 2022 - 06:27 PM

"the CR 102 is as fast as a GTP"

I don't quite understand.

Mike,,, just like I said. I ran the CR 102 at a race last Saturday at The Viper pit. Had it geared at 15-34. The lap times were 4.10s with a JK Audi body. I did put my GTP car with a rtr raptor motor and a OS Bentley body running in the 4.0s. What Im saying is the CR 102 motor can be just as fast as our GTP motors.

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Posted 16 December 2022 - 06:50 PM

I understand it now.

I wasn't aware there was a different list of motors allowed in GTP

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Posted 17 December 2022 - 10:47 AM

Thanks, now I get it.

Is the CR104 allowed in GTP?

That's my 55K motor.

 

Mike,
 
The Raptor and Enforcer motors are legal in GTP.  I've tried both and found them to be about the same.
 
Do you have any idea how the CR104 compares to them?


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Posted 17 December 2022 - 11:00 AM

My vendor lists it as a 55K motor, which apparently the Raptor also lists theirs as.

While my first batch had that closed endbell, the 3 or 4 subsequent batches haven't, so you can oil them if you wish.

They are popular in the Texas Flexi series so they can probably offer some insight.

They went to them when the Intimidator had some issues.

Maybe that will give you some idea on a comparison.

The Mississippi guys also run them in 2 of their classes.(lmp and flexi wing?)

It's a spec motor for them, so I'm not sure if they can offer any insight versus the other motors.

FWIW, they also use the 102 as their spec motor in their Nascar class.
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Posted 17 December 2022 - 08:43 PM

Drop the weight rule

 

 

You know .... just tossing this out there .... another approach to the weight rule - at least in NASCAR - might be to restrict the chassis choice for NASCAR.  Kind of like what Marcus had us run at the Enduro.

 

I built two NASCARs for the season ... one is a JK C43 Aeolous that weighs in just a tick over 92 grams and the other is a Mossetti Avenger Air with the Heavy Pan that weighs in just a tick under 92 grams.  I think I had to add just 0.2 or 0.3 grams to bring it up to 92 grams.   A little more paint or a little more solder and it would probably be right at 92 grams.

 

If those were the only chassis eligible for the NASCAR class, then racers wouldn't have to add weight (or not much) and therefore weights getting knocked off during the race wouldn't be an issue.  And it would be one less thing to think/thrash about.


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Posted 17 December 2022 - 10:50 PM

Those chassis are the only ones anyone runs anyway.

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Posted 03 January 2023 - 02:32 PM

The first race of the 2023 season will be in February -- probably Sunday Feb 5, at Fast Eddie's.
 
The 2023 rules and schedule should be finalized and posted by the end of this week.


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Posted 04 January 2023 - 09:07 PM

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Posted 04 January 2023 - 09:37 PM

 

 

Dale ... Thank you for your work in collecting the information from Marcus, Ed, and Joe.

 

A few tweaks ... but nothing that makes me rebuild my whole program.  

 

I'm looking forward to a fun year of racing.


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Posted 04 January 2023 - 09:56 PM

Did I miss something, is The Raceway.Biz track that was in Melbourne now relocated to someplace in Vero Beach?  If so what is the address?


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Posted 04 January 2023 - 10:06 PM

Did I miss something, is The Raceway.Biz track that was in Melbourne now relocated to someplace in Vero Beach?  If so what is the address?

 

Joe and/or Brittni posted on Facebook that they're moving to the Vero Beach Outlet Mall.


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Posted 04 January 2023 - 11:28 PM

Any idea when?


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