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[Slotgeezer]

So you think it could be an early Mura even without the flat bottom drill balancing holes?

I'm seeing a Mura-wound armature, and Thorp balancing...

[dc-65x]

Thanks for all the input it is always much appreciated.

With this next pile, I mean vintage treasure, I'm going identify what I think I've found for a change :



Another non-floating pan chassis with a big B-motor installed on top of the half rail :



Here's a look at the motor, I wasn't to hopeful for anything good:



Another rust bucket . I started sanding the rust coating off the armatue stack and, oh my:



We have engraving . A single 24. And, what's this :



REHCO, so we have a nice Mura single 24 sold to REHco. It wasn't even broken in. Check out the brush wear:



This motor was a virgin. It was factory assembled and untouched. I got several of the Mura B's with 20/40 milled cans, Super B magnets and REHCO engraved S24 and D27/28 arms in another lot of motors a while back:



I'm going to restore the above original motor. I have a new chrome can and end bell for it. I want it to be stock so I can see how a stock S24 Super B a customer would buy ran back in the day . Sounds like fun to me .

[Prof. Fate]

Hi

Am i seeing this wrong? It is timed normally, but installed backwards? The guy chose to endbell mount and misfit the can? I wonder what the thinking was.

Might be as simple as him stripping the can and deciding to just reverse it an endbell mount.

Wow.

Fate

[dc-65x]

Hi Rocky,

You're right!

I wonder what the thinking was.

I believe there was a simple "lack of thinking" on the previous owner's part . Maybe that's why it wasn't run very much. He thought the motor was a dog!

[Prof. Fate]

Hi

What kind of shape are the bushings in in the motor?

It might have been a "just after work, exhausted, and I gotta get the car on the track for the race in 20 minutes! " Car.

Fate

[dc-65x]

Rocky,

It looks like the motor wasn't even broken in.

[don.siegel]

Great thread Rick, thanks for showing all of these photos (perfect as usual); I stopped racing in 1968, so this is helping me catch up on the "lost years"...

One of the first lots I got on ebay was a bunch of rewound motors from the previous generation, with Russkit 23 cans and similar, and all as rusted as these or worse - I've probably done less cleaning of them in the last ten years than you have in a week!

Carry On Mr. Rick!

Don

[Kim Lander]

Thanks for the trip down memory lane...great pics and restorations...Kim

[dc-65x]

Thanks Kim. It’s fun to share projects when others enjoy seeing them too.

Hi Gary,

I stopped racing in 1968, so this is helping me catch up on the "lost years"...

That's exactly what I'm trying to do too. I stopped in 1968 too. I was 18 years old and other things seemed more important. I was wrong. I enjoy this more than anything else and I'm catching up myself .

We're winding down on this lot of stuff. Here's a few NEW gears . NEW, not rusted junk-ola. Some nice Faas bronze gears and an aluminum Mini Wheels gear I haven't had before:



There were also some loose rear wheels-tires:



I soaked them in lacquer thinner and pulled the rotted rubber off. Perhaps Riggen's on top and Champion's on the bottom:



I've got two complete cars to go. They are my favorite and I save them for last.......

Onward

[TSR]

Rick, the great Faas gears are not bronze but beryllium copper, a much better material for the use...

[Slotgeezer]

The tires on the bottom might be Gran Prix Racing Ttres...

My dad was a distributor...

Great stuff, Rick... Please, continue!

[Edo]

May I have it?©
Despite its a modified inline, I adooore that thing!

E

PS: Rick, great thread as usual and I love to see the before and after cleaning!

[tonyp]

PdL,

Do you have pictures of Kean and Greenaway armatures? Curious if they look as good as I remember.

[Gus Kelley]

Hey Rick!

Anyone who comments on your blog appreciates your time and effort, even if the words don't say so. I do very much enjoy reading and following these. I also hope to meet your acquaintance some-time at Eddie's in the future.

Gus

[tjsguns]

I've had a few of these bluish green "Bubble Gum" arms come my way in the past few years. I've simply cleaned them up, stuck them back in a restored can with decent magnets, a good melt-proof endbell, new bearings, some shunted brushes, and post protectors and they've run like the Anti-Christ!!
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Along with the Dyna-Rewinds I've laid my hands on these are the fastest pure vintage arms I've ever been able to buy.

[TSR]

It's a Mura Bubblegum made for Nutley's Mike Tango.

As far as the condition and workmanship, "quel massacre!" they would say in Froggistan...

[tonyp]

We sold a ton of that Team Nutley stuff. We were bigger than Parma at the time with a really good product line until Mike lost interest in the whole deal due to personal reasons...

[Ron Hershman]

Like someone running off with his wife?

[tonyp]

Girlfriend.

[dc-65x]

May I have it?©
Despite it's a modified inline, I adooore that thing!

Hi Edo.

PM me your shipping address. I'll cut and past it into a mailing label and I'll get you new "Funky Mobile" shipped. It looks like something from the movie "War of the Worlds"!

PdL, do you have pictures of Kean and Greenaway armatures? Curious if they look as good as I remember.

I'd very much like to see them too, Philippe .

Thanks, Gus. I look forward to meeting you, too. If you know Rodney (he's there almost every week) I'll be the tall old guy hanging around with him.

and they've run like the Anti-Christ!!

Tom, I'm using a "bubble gum" 27/28 in my latest Pro car build. It will be my first time using that type of arm... I can't wait .

Two more cars to go in this lot...

[Horsepower]

I'm a little mixed up here. I thought the numbers 27/28 meant a double wind of 27 and 28 wire. Maybe it's 27 turns of 28 gauge? How's that work?

[dc-65x]

Hi Gary,

Ye,s my armature is a double wind. Maybe I should have written D27/28. I can't wait to "see it move".

[Horsepower]

Thanks, Rick!

I'm easily confused nowadays. I once tried a double wind but had too much trouble getting all the wire on the poles evenly. That was before I had a rewinding tool, though. I'd like to try again. Doubles are interesting because you can do so many combos and see what develops.

[dc-65x]

This is the second to last car in the lot. This is the one I had the highest hopes for:



It caught my eye in the Ebay auction pictures. It not only has the early Champion CEE can but the chassis has a straight half rail design I like:



Here it is apart before cleaning. I cut through the two rear motor mount and the motor fell out. The solder "joints" on the top and bottom of the motor at the motor bracket were "cold" and not doing anything. The chassis has more problems than I originally thought. It's in the tumbler now. I can get a good look at it when it comes out half way clean:



Here's the side of the motor I could see when it was in the chassis, not bad:



Here's the other side hidden by the rear axle tube :



One of the end bell screws was rusted in place:



I had to grind the head away with a small burr in the Dremel. Since the end bell was butchered anyway......



......I cut it into 3 pieces to get it out. Here are all the pieces:



The can took some work but it's saved. Here's the good side:



The bad side will need some Bondo work before paint........Hey John, does that sound familiar :



The armature looks to be another hand wound job on a grey coated Champion blank:



What's with that comm? Is it some kind of a "capped comm" or something . Does anybody have any ideas ?



Here are the other parts that I saved. Blue Dot magnets, Riggen front wheels (the rears were bent) and Faas gears.



When the chassis is half way clean I'll take some close-up pictures of it.........

[Bill from NH]

Rick, I wonder if any of these arms wound on Champion blanks could be Carl Ford arms? Carl was from NJ too & wound quite a few arms before having a Champion distributorship & later buying the company. I'll see if I can dig out my Ford 25S for comparison.