The two-rail chassis revolution
#1
Posted 11 December 2010 - 06:58 PM
MODEL CAR JOURNAL and MODEL RACING JOURNAL
As I looked through the race reports these three cars caught my attention. If you read Mike Morrissey’s text under the pictures they sure caught his attention, too:
Congratulations to Mike Staskie and his winning rig on the left but I’m interested in the Bob Emott built cars in the center and on the right (I think LASCM has the Bob Emott raced chassis in its collection).
In a sea of three and four railers with motor boxes and plumbers mounted on the chassis Bob Emott creates a two railer with half rails instead of a motor box and the plumber mounted on the arm.
Was Bob the first to do this? I’ll leave that for the historians among you . For me, if I get in my “Way Back Machine”, return to Feb. 30, 1969, and read the following Hinsdale race report for the first time... HE’S THE MAN!
I advanced my “Way Back Machine” a few MRJ issues to the April 15, 1969, coverage of the Mura Spectacular. Seems that Bob Emott was laid up and he loaned Chris Vitucci what Mike Morrissey called “the fastest stable of cars in the nation"! Chris set a new national King track qualifying record of 4.81... with the two-rail car Bob loaned Howie Ursaner back at the Hinsdale race in Feb!
I highlighted in yellow Morrissey’s description of how Bob built his cars. There’s no doubt in my mind that he thought Bob was THE MAN, too. Check out what he had to say:
Tony P posted some great pictures of Bob’s chassis like the ones below.
(Photos courtesy of Tony P):
Here’s the link to Tony P’s post:
The Emott Archives
The Good Dokktor also posted pictures of the collection here:
The Emott Collection
Time for me to start building ...
Rick Thigpen
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#2
Posted 11 December 2010 - 07:16 PM
Anthony 'Tonyp' Przybylowicz
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#3
Posted 11 December 2010 - 07:23 PM
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#4
Posted 11 December 2010 - 07:47 PM
Got to buy that DVD for sure.
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#5
Posted 11 December 2010 - 07:48 PM
I feel his pain . I have a heck of a time with them, too!First ever non-motor box cars I ever saw were Jerry Brady's, probably because Jerry could not bend a motor box.
Thanks, Tony, I'll find and post the picture of Jerry's car...Check the issue that has Sandy's puzzle pan. There is a picture of one of Jerrys cars with his typical center section, no motor box. What would you expect from the person who used no motor bracket on his inline.
It's a great DVD, Nesta. You'll enjoy it for sure.
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#6
Posted 11 December 2010 - 07:57 PM
I intend to live forever! So far, so good.
#7
Posted 11 December 2010 - 08:08 PM
Is he using half rails or is that outside rail going from the front axle all the way to the rear axle tube?
I found this picture in the next MRJ issue... looks like half rails to me???
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#8
Posted 11 December 2010 - 09:08 PM
Not sure if Jerry was actually using a Dremel by this time. According to Bob Emott, Jerry never knew about the cut-off disks and would just dyke off the wire and file the ends. If he needed a hole drilled, Jerry would use an X-Acto and just carve out the hole. Of course Ajax and an SOS pad were foreign to him.
As bad as his stuff looked he built some really good stuff and came up with a lot of stuff first, like the steel center section, flat wire I believe, and along with Bob Emott, the 3/32" axles just to mention a few things...
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#9
Posted 11 December 2010 - 09:26 PM
What is interesting is the endbell drive two-railers which were built after the West Coasters had already switched to can drive. PVA also added an extra kink in the left half rail on John Cukras' car. Tricky stuff.
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#10
Posted 12 December 2010 - 11:15 AM
Then, with the advent of anglewinders he again always had the best cars, with the finest craftsmanship. I had a great time racing with Bob; he is the best.
#11
Posted 12 December 2010 - 04:14 PM
I didn't know this twin rail thing was an issue! While I copied a couple chassis like everyone, I had always used steel rails. I have survivor inlines from '65 that are twin rail with piano wire. I didn't like the way rod bent! I wreck a lot. But I don't remember there being an issue.
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#12
Posted 12 December 2010 - 05:37 PM
As Mike Morrissey said in the opening of his Mar. 15, 1969, construction article, "We're in the middle of another chassis revolution, gang."
Here is that article, The New Two-Rail Chassis
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#13
Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:45 PM
What I am saying is that most of our early anglewinders were modified inlines which were commonly twin rail. In SoCal, the Jail Door multiple rod frames were more common than in my circles.
Again, like the anglewinder thing itself, there was so much going on that never made the mags, that the best you can say is that Morrissey revolutionized something in SoCal.
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#14
Posted 13 December 2010 - 03:16 PM
It took a long time for the two-rail design to be introduced, because for a while (all of 1968 and part of 1969), the number of rails actually increased rather than decreased...
Philippe de Lespinay
#15
Posted 13 December 2010 - 03:30 PM
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#16
Posted 13 December 2010 - 06:30 PM
The two rail went from brass and wire to dual wire very quickly...
Cool, so I'll build an early two-rail brass and wire car first . I'll use a big old 1/16" thick Cobra drop arm, solid pans with the hinge tube sitting on top and an end bell drive “Wish I had a Kean Kan” motor. I'm going approach the build as if I was back in the day in So Cal drooling over these just published issues of Model Racing Journal. It's good to have a “Way Back Machine” .
So, after reading the tech sheet for Bob and Howie's cars at the Hinsdale race I came up with these parts to build a motor. Not a Kean Can motor unfortunately but rather an early Champion can with the funky bearing and no side vents, Champion DZ magnets with 2-piece shim, Mura end bell and hardware and a Thorp D27-28 arm. Pictures to follow.....
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#17
Posted 13 December 2010 - 07:59 PM
At the time, Bob Kean used the Cox NASCAR can, cut on top and bottom and vented, with ARCO mags with the second type shim and a Mura white 16D endbell to build his motors. So you could in principle, make one to look very close to the real thing. Please let me know if you need detailed pictures. As far as the chassis in that race, it LOOKS like we have at least one of the two, that of Ursaner, that use a reversed endbell drive.
Regards,
Philippe de Lespinay
#18
Posted 13 December 2010 - 10:22 PM
This is my last car from that time frame that Bob built.It looks close but Tony will have to chime in here on the exact time frame. If I could only find a motor for it I would put it all back together again. I remember running the McLaren body on it.
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#19
Posted 13 December 2010 - 11:58 PM
Mike Katz
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#20
Posted 14 December 2010 - 07:18 AM
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#21
Posted 14 December 2010 - 07:57 AM
Joe "Noose" Neumeister
Sometimes known as a serial despoiler of the clear purity of virgin Lexan bodies. Lexan is my canvas!
Noose Custom Painting - Since 1967
Chairman - IRRA® Body Committee - Roving IRRA® Tech Dude - "EVIL BUCKS Painter"
"Team Evil Bucks" Racer - 2016 Caribbean Retro Overall Champion
The only thing bad about Retro is admitting that you remember doing it originally.
#22
Posted 14 December 2010 - 08:10 AM
Anthony 'Tonyp' Przybylowicz
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#23
Posted 14 December 2010 - 08:11 AM
Joe "Noose" Neumeister
Sometimes known as a serial despoiler of the clear purity of virgin Lexan bodies. Lexan is my canvas!
Noose Custom Painting - Since 1967
Chairman - IRRA® Body Committee - Roving IRRA® Tech Dude - "EVIL BUCKS Painter"
"Team Evil Bucks" Racer - 2016 Caribbean Retro Overall Champion
The only thing bad about Retro is admitting that you remember doing it originally.
#24
Posted 14 December 2010 - 12:12 PM
Thanks for the motor info Philippe. I realize I've not chosen wisely my motor components. I'm starting over!
Rick Thigpen
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#25
Posted 14 December 2010 - 09:14 PM
Indeed. It appears that this is the car used by Noose on September 13, 1969 at Holiday raceway in Berwyn, PA. Noose, the motor was a Champion 535-based lump, I can get you one looking the part if you need. Call me. Call me what, that's your option!Maybe your car from the Phaze III race at Berwyn Sept, 69...
Rick, I will get you a decent pic of a period Kean with the Cox can.
Philippe de Lespinay