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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:50 PM

Jairus,

I will have to get more bodies from Ray F...

Got to save this one you did for me...

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 03:54 PM

This is another chassis I found.........The rear bracket would get tossed..........

Sure would like to see more pics of "back in the day" cars

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 05:15 PM

Edo, Thanks for posting the link, what a Great car!!!

It was such a fun time 68 to 73, so much fun I do not remember any one wing cars here on the East Coast. I was away from the hobby for a short time in this period and it seemed like the cars here went from a single rear spoiler, add some little spoilers mounted on the from fenders, then short vertical side wings to "box" the air at the back then a full hight (one piece) wrap around where the front would spread open then to full blown vertical flop down(force) 2 piece side wing and single rear spoiler setup the is still the wing car standard today.

Does any of the NY/NJ retro racers here on slotblog remember these one wing cars being run?
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 05:34 PM

Jairus, So cool so snake skin. You don't take bad pictures, so why this one? ...haha. This one is different, how many are being made now?

Ray, Mura w Mura power :good: great starting point.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 06:03 PM

I didn't take that picture Bob and that was kind of an insult to Ray I believe...

Nice start on that project Ray!

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 06:08 PM

Hi Bob
Look here, you will see a Onewinger Choti, a repop by Ray Fellows (one27ray) after a suggestion from Dave Larsen:

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Were the wings molded in (back in the day) like on Edo's..."Trip to Saturn" solar panel car? :sun_bespectacled:

I must say Your Kingist Kinkee Kingie your car-oh MG.....and oh... tha tit looks to be lovely Ms C. the Queenest, Onewingie Queenie from "another near but distant dim light planet" .... Just Wonderful interplanetary winds ....moving the planets so gently !!! :lol:
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:46 PM

Some Choit-noda bodies :D



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just a few of the selection.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 10:52 PM

Cool.
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 02:33 AM

HI Ray, some nice bodies there...

Interested in the top photo, the body on the right of the photo, do you have a picture of this with a coat of paint on? Looks very smart.



I'm glad to say that my idea for a body is still in the spirit of these choti's. And I have been influenced by the light weight chassis designs that have been displayed in this thread so far. Just got to buy some parts and get building.

I would like to know what gear ratio people recommend for a 'balls out' race such as this, and what total weight people are aiming for....Also, is there a motor preference amongst builders/racers???? I like 16d's, but am wondering if I should be looking for one of these B cans? Novice questions I know, but I can but ask.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 07:11 AM

I like 16d's, but am wondering if I should be looking for one of these B cans? Novice questions I know, but I can but ask.


Hi Al,

If you just want to enter and have fun (that IS what this is all about no?), then a 16D can be a fun car for sure. If you have an incurable competitive streak, then a 16D (even a heavily modified one) will be at a disadvantage for sure. I think this thing will allow even the Green Can, so that a Mura B motor would even possibly be at a disadvantage. If you want to run a 16D, I think that it would be a good idea to use an early Mura endbell as those will be better than the Tradeship or Champion end bells at resisting heat damage. I'm not sure, but I think a B endbell will fit or will fit with slight modification. An all-out 16d with the Mura end bell, the Mura magnets (can-in-a-can shim), maybe bearings and the like should be respectable against a field with Green cans and B motors. The Mabuchi can at least has one thing going for it, it's much lighter than the Muras and I might go this way myself with a can drive Mabuchi...just because :) I'm only in it for the fun anyway!

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 10:59 AM

I must note that Ray's one winger body has the wing cast-into the body. There will be no tacked on wings allowed. Also, the height of the wing is limited as well so the car can go under the bridge.

Al, Gear ratios are unknown at this time. I can't seem to get my Mule finished and down to Bryan Warmack for testing. Bryan agreed to test it and report back. Of course I will share all info.

Rules so far:
1 Must use a thingie body of any manufacturer or self made. No tacked on wings!
2 Motor tech up to December 1970.
3 Ceramic magnets only.
4 1/16" clearance.


I guess that is it. Still looking for two track directors, one at B.P. and one at Eddie's in Vallejo. I contacted my first two guys and one is too busy and the other failed to respond.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 12:24 PM

Guys, I was there an done all that. All that has been discussed is fine and all, but it doesnt count. The formula was a wire frame similar to a UGo but with a drop arm. A Choti body was manditory, with no aero devices save a big flat plane on the outer side of the body.This was good for almost every open comp in the East Bay, CA the hotbed of thingies. We had the fourmula down so well, that in open comp, we could pound the NSRA guys into the ground. I have to reinfoirce, that this combo won just about everything in the Bay Area in the late 60's I know becuase I was the one that won. Sorry if I am seeming conceited, but thats the facts, and any one is welcome to challenge! My local track actually told me to go home because we had to formula down so well that we didnt lose.


Glenn, we must have raced at one time, my home track was A Street in Hayward. Being just a junior high kid at the time, it was hard for me to get to A Street on weekdays, but Urban had a really great enduro program on the weekends. My buddy Ellis and I used to win a lot of enduros which were two person teams and 4 or 6 hours. This was still in the inline days, we got out just after the angle winders appeared. You're right Glenn, the real deal was pretty much a minimum chassis, just enough to hold the body, the motor and the guide in one piece...the lighter the better. I don't think we referred to these cars as thingies, at least I remember we just called them "slotcars". They were the opposite of "model car racing". In the East Bay, we just got down to refining the "sport of slotcar racing" to its essence....non scale body, ultra light chassis, wind your own arms as hot as you dare....the idea is just pure speed. I'm not sure of the history, but I believe this was pretty much an East Bay phenomenon that spread to Oakland Speedway, the big track in Fremont (Irvington must have been your home track Glenn, the place by the railroad tracks) A Street, and there were other raceways that supported the same speed crazed morons like us in San Leandro, on Telegraph Avenue in Oakland. Glenn, I agree, those were the days! Nowadays I am still speed crazed, I race open "scale" slotcars.....yeah, I know, I should be a modern wing car racer (that is the true outcome of our East Bay "slotcar racing" craze) but somehow slipped into the eurosport thing. Thanks for posting Glenn. I'd like to see more photos of the "real" speed devices. My Mom gave away my box similar to the estate sales for you! Thanks Mom.
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 06:45 PM

Hey Al,

That body and the left handside ones are protypes that need to be remolded. Don't have a painted version yet.
The Onewinger does have a intergated wing as Jairus points out, not stapled on. It also, has and insert where one can add advertizing/etc. I don't think this body style was intended for King type tracks? We would have to have Mr. Frank tell us how they ran on this King track. Dave said they were used on a Ovil/Figure-8 track, maybe flat road tracks? I guess we would have to have Dave give us a history lesson? I had a plan for a Two Winger Choti version with smaller wing height, to scoop/suck all the air around it- a real negitive lift body lol.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 07:28 PM

Hi George! What a small word! We raced together on Bancroft Ave in San Leandro, at S&L Speedway. I remember you had a choti that you died in red Rit to save weight. That impressed me. Youve got the history right, speed speed speed. On our NorCal tracks we just needed to make it thru the huge banks, as you know, launching was a big deal. I even remember you and your car going over the bank in san leandro and I picked you car up. And yes we just called them slots! I only made it to A street a few times, as I remember, it had HUGE power, and I think the surface was so smooth Silicones were needed. I raced a lot at Oakland Speedway, and that was my home till 1972. The Telegraph track was tricky, but when Les moved to HIgh Street he got the San Leandro track, and that was pretty much my home track. I think the last race I won in San Leandro was the open comp where I ran a Choti against the anglewinders. By the time Les moved that track to HIgh Street, group 12, 20, and 7 were in full force. I found group 12 to be a cakewalk, almost too easy. Nothing like the fun we had with the thingies. I still recall the excitement each week to see what new and crazy ideas were being raced.
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Posted 02 December 2011 - 10:57 PM

Thanks for the link Jairus, I sent Rick an email, I didnt see a jig on his website. Mike, thanks for the info on the Dynamic bracket. Know anyone that wants it? I have two. Don Siegel is close as far as the "rules" went. It was 1/16 clearance ( and they were TOUGH on that ) 3" width, end of story, no more period! 3/4 inch rear tires, no rule on front wheels other than ya gotta have em, the guide couldnt extend past the front of the body, and the rule that gave us all fits, it had to have a driver figure. Yea, right, do you know how difficult it was to put a driver in a Choti? Sheesh! Jairus's challenge to build a 3 sec thingie is interesting. My best in 69 was a 7 flat on the 220 foot track at S&L, later Oakland speedway. The average NSRA car was in the low sevens, or maybe high sixes. The Choti wasnt as hard to drive as one would think, I found it easier, tho less forgiving than my anglewinders. I think the anglewinders made a bunch of so-so drivers into champs. The fastest car I built was for a CarModel/USRA race in 68 or 69. I qualified for the main with a 6:56 on that 220 foot track. So to put it into persepctive, all the angle-floppy-plummer-flexi-whoop de doos was only good for a half second on that track. And if we meet up at Eddies, I might actually make it, its only an hour or so from home. I must say tho, I might need some help with the motor!
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Posted 04 December 2011 - 10:17 PM

So we have found the missing link in the evolution of the the modern era wing car, it is the one winger that crawled and slithered on to land many decades ago from the Bay of San Francisco . Wonderful !

Did the late 69-70 era "one wing" cars of the SF Bay area have a molded in or stapled on wing?
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Posted 04 December 2011 - 10:22 PM

I didn't take that picture Bob and that was kind of an insult to Ray I believe...


Ray? are you OK with my insults as long as I am complimenting Jairus at the same time? :)
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 12:19 AM

Jairus, are you thinking 2 minutes per lane with these hot winds?
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 12:49 AM

Not thinking much right at the moment.... bed most likely. zzzzz

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 08:39 AM

:laugh2:

No problem, it's all in fun anyways.
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 09:20 AM

I think Bob was insulting Me, about the pic quality in post #101.
Maybe he can insult you later. Lol...
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 10:37 AM

Wait a minute ... :laugh2:

:scratch_one-s_head: I was complimenting Jairus, then he insulted someone that uses a camera with the name Ray and blamed me just to say thank you. :pardon:

I'm sorry Ray(s) :wink2: :wink3:
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 10:55 AM

Good morning, fresh cup of hot black in one hand and typing in the other. :icon22:

To answer all your questions Bob. No stapled on wings will be allowed. Bodies are formed one piece, period. I would prefer we use some form of "Choti" body but three persons have requested the ability to make their own. Plus... .Ray has lots of modified "Choti-noda" bodies that are not pure Choti but in the spirit of. So as long as the body is in the spirit... it will run.

Two minute heats seems seem logical. I suggest you get busy and build one and do some of your own testing. My own mule test results will go along way toward nailing down the rules and race specs.

As for you and Ray... I will P.M. you.

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 11:19 AM

Jairus,
I saw the rule but I'm trying to understand the missing link cars better. Do you know how was it done back in the day, molded or stapled?

anyone ???
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 11:42 AM

What kind of arms will be allowed?
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 11:47 AM

What kind of arms will be allowed?



Open rule. :good:

How about a 15t/24w ? :bomb: :sarcastic_hand:
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 01:46 PM

not hot enough :sarcastic_hand:
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Posted 05 December 2011 - 02:26 PM

Arm winding is up to the entrant. No limit as Bob says, but we are limited to "Ceramic magnets" and 1970 technology.

Think of yourself standing at the racetrack parts wall picking out the best that money could buy in 1970 for the ultimate deep-dish Choti build and go from there. Okay?
No exotic materials in the construction like carbon fiber or magnesium please. Let's do this in the spirit of the era with as few rules as possible.

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 03:18 PM

I've been following this thread, it's the only "retro" class I could possibly get interested in because of my background in the East Bay race scene. If you were to start a class, I would be really strict about staying with a chassis rule that keeps it like an U-Go chassis. Something to the effect of "inline bracket, two rails only to guide tongue. Only two cross members with pin tube." I.e., no perimeter chassis or pollution from modern designs (keep the genie in the bottle please). Motors look available at Electric Dreams, I'd use this ONLY: http://www.electricd...tor-p-1948.html Allow rewinding. I'd pull the arm, chop off the wire, rewind it. This was the motor we used a lot at A Street. Choti body, one air dam may be taped to side of body, 2-1/2" maximum height. Has to be 1/8" axle, Cox crown gear. This spec would go bloody fast down the main chute, watch out for the bank though!!! Set your sensitivity low for the infield too....
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 06:33 AM

I'm thinking more and more that I might buck the Green Can trend here and go backwards in time a bit for giggles, using some sort of Mabuchi 16D. I think I have an Orange Picker end bell around here (unless I put it on someone else's motor???) and a Champion single oval hole can would be a good way to go can drive. A set of Champion magnets to top it off should make a good (if not race winning) setup. I better start digging around in the man cave and see what's what.

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 09:51 AM

I've been following this thread, it's the only "retro" class I could possibly get interested in because of my background in the East Bay race scene. If you were to start a class, I would be really strict about staying with a chassis rule that keeps it like an U-Go chassis. Something to the effect of "inline bracket, two rails only to guide tongue. Only two cross members with pin tube." I.e., no perimeter chassis or pollution from modern designs (keep the genie in the bottle please). Motors look available at Electric Dreams, I'd use this ONLY: http://www.electricd...tor-p-1948.html Allow rewinding. I'd pull the arm, chop off the wire, rewind it. This was the motor we used a lot at A Street. Choti body, one air dam may be taped to side of body, 2-1/2" maximum height. Has to be 1/8" axle, Cox crown gear. This spec would go bloody fast down the main chute, watch out for the bank though!!! Set your sensitivity low for the infield too....


Too many rules, this is a "THINGIE" race!
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 10:03 AM

John, I have some Champion cans here just like that if you need.

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 11:17 AM

Jairus, if your test car gets too hot, you will be burning a mule on the track!!!!
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 11:56 AM

Too many rules, this is a "THINGIE" race!

On the contrary, Dear 32!

I find Mr. Russell's suggestion extremely simple and brilliant! I really like the minimalism of those U-Go chassis and George's chassis concept derived from them.

And what I really really like is this sentence he wrote " no perimeter chassis or pollution from modern designs (keep the genie in the bottle please)"

If you ask me we've seen, for example, enough D3 kind of designs since the very beginning of the Thingie Proxy race, even in the first one in 2006.

But then, off course, We're the Ones that go by the motto: "Vintage or Death"!

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 11:59 AM

Too many rules, this is a "THINGIE" race!


This is where "retro" programs confuse me. Too few rules....too many rules....which is it? Most of your programs have a lot of rules in order to attempt to recreate cars from the 60s and 70s...recreate the past, try to freeze-dry the old designs. In doing so, if you don't make enough rules, you end up with guys building cars that have all kinds of design cues from today's cars, little hidden Horkyisms and JK Productsisms and Kofordisms morphed into chassis that are supposed to be from the old days. If you make too many rules, it only makes it more fun to try to break the rules with abovementioned modern technologies.

Take a eurosport racer like myself and give me access to 2025 eurosport technology....of course I'll use it!!! But, of course that's impossible.

The Ugo chassis was a very good example of the true East Bay Speed Thingy. Minimal....lightweight....crazy fast....that was the whole idea. It was a lot about your winding capabilities. I only remember FT16 motors where you would screw the endbell to the rear bracket. That's why the Russkit motor would be a good one to use. How much more simple could it be? The combination I outlined is so much different from all the ideas expressed which are mostly based on stuff you guys already run. In the East Bay, we just didn't run that big heavy stuff, no jail doors, no perimeters for goodness sakes. I thought you might like try running something a bit different. Both Glenn and I can attest that the less chassis was the fastest back in the day.
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 12:03 PM

On the contrary, Dear 32!

I find Mr. Russell's suggestion extremely simple and brilliant! I really like the minimalism of those U-Go chassis and George's chassis concept derived from them.

And what I really really like is this sentence he wrote " no perimeter chassis or pollution from modern designs (keep the genie in the bottle please)"

If you ask me we've seen, for example, enough D3 kind of designs since the very beginning of the Thingie Proxy race, even in the first one in 2006.

But then, off course, We're the Ones that go by the motto: "Vintage or Death"!

^_^


Thanks for the affirmation of my idea, I think you posted it just as I was writing my last reply!!! Haaa haaaa haaaaaa.
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 12:14 PM

FX, were you guys aware of the Thingie racers at The Groove in Detroit? I believe they ran more perimeter type chassis (and also Dynamic based iso designs), but their tracks were probably a bit shorter and not as banked as in NorCal).

Actually, I remember a couple of our Chicago area racers running chassis very similar to the U-Go models, with just two piano wire rails, a fixed guide mount and very wide blue tires in the rear!

I like that approach too, in the NorCal Thingie spirit!

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 01:25 PM

Don.
I did race Thingies at the Groove in Det. (Royal Oak to be exact) back in the 60's and believe me you saw EVERY type of chassis design imaginable there.....including the u-go type, perimeter type, and TONS of Dynamic based stuff.
Basically it was "Run what ya Brung!"
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Posted 06 December 2011 - 04:18 PM

And what were your tracks like Tom - also ran the gamut? From the couple photos I've seen of the NorCal tracks, seems they were almost universally very long and very high speed (ie, 300ft, 60° banking, etc.). We've seen photos of some of the Shindoda cars, but now that I think of it, never really got a good glance at the Detroit tracks.

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 06:40 PM

John, I have some Champion cans here just like that if you need.


Hi Jairus and thanks mucho. I have lots of the cans, but it was the orange picker end bell I was looking for...and I found one that should clean up fine. I also have a pair of Champion Yellow Dots :) I have big plans for this motor now that the pieces are there!

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 08:04 PM

:D Funny thing is with all this talk about racing what we raced in the mid sixties everyone seems to be alright with electronic controllers!!!! Bring on the resistors!!!!

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 08:28 PM

Funny you should suggest that Mike. I brought this very fact up a while back, that we SHOULD have a vintage meet and run 1968 rules, 1968 tech and resistor controllers! I love the idea for a single meet.

But a Proxy race?

So... after reading all the posts it seems we are divided a bit. Is the consensus that no parameter frames be allowed? (I hate adding rules.) I feel we need to keep the motor option open to all that were available circa 1970 because that was the premiss of this proxy in the very beginning. But if everyone is willing to stay with no more than one rail per side, then I will go with that. But the truth is... parameter frames, floppy pans and most of the modern slot car tech got it's start right about 1968 to 1970. Some of the entries in the current proxy may look like D3 cars but the technology has always been with us. It's just more mainstream now and therefore more apparent and relatable to D3. Remember the puzzle pan chassis?

So...
The subject on the table is 'Parameter frames'. Allow or disallow.
If disallowed then we will be limited to two central rails front to back, one motor/axle bracket and one guide tongue with body tubes.

All else stays as it was.
I await the masses response.

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 09:25 PM

The answer is easy Jairus. No one can say with any degree of certainty that no one built a chassis with more than a single piece of wire (rail) at that time. In fact, since it was a "run-what-you-brung" thing, it's more likely than not there were at least some cars like that then. They may not have looked exactly like the perimeter chassis we think of today (or they may have in some cases), but there were no doubt all kinds of crazy things being done. If you want it to be strictly a "U-Go" knockoff event, the whole concept of "anything goes"...is gone. I don't know what year Sandy Gross' "Puzzle Pan" was, but that was some crazy-cool engineering. No one can say they wouldn't have let that chassis in a race back then :) Bottom line is that any more than the barest minimum number of rules defeats the purpose.

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 09:39 PM

I agree with John.

Unless you are going with a 'Frisco style only event, I can't see limiting the chassis design.

And then if you limit the chassis design, how can you let guys make their own bodies?

There were all kinds of different chassis built back then.
The hottest guy at our local track had a chassis built from copper sheet.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 02:07 AM

So...
The subject on the table is 'Parameter frames'. Allow or disallow.
If disallowed then we will be limited to two central rails front to back, one motor/axle bracket and one guide tongue with body tubes.

All else stays as it was.
I await the masses response.



Allow.*



* The bodies will need more support then the two pintubes crossing the main rails would provide.
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Posted 07 December 2011 - 03:01 AM

So gentlemen

why not a a Frisco style U-Go kind of chassis (à la fxgeorge suggestion) VS a Detroit perimeter style chassis race?

And no slabs of brass nowhere to be seen.

Races on fast tracks (Kings), all out motors (preferably rewound 16 D M'buchis).

Choties (with U-Go/derived chassis) vs Shinodas (with perimeters) bodies battling it out.

That would be swell innit? Aaand rather new for a Thingie Proxy!

E

PS Mind you I like jaildoors, perimeters, ugos, anything from back then but George's suggestion is really extremely interesting and different.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 06:49 AM

There were all kinds of different chassis built back then.
The hottest guy at our local track had a chassis built from copper sheet.


Bingo! Mike just proved what I had thought. A "U-Go" only event would NOT represent either the races or even just the spirit of the time.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 08:57 AM

And what were your tracks like Tom - also ran the gamut? From the couple photos I've seen of the NorCal tracks, seems they were almost universally very long and very high speed (ie, 300ft, 60° banking, etc.). We've seen photos of some of the Shindoda cars, but now that I think of it, never really got a good glance at the Detroit tracks.Don



Yes Don, The tracks also ran the gamut. From what we called " Road Race" type stuff (kinda short with a lot of non-banked turns and "s"'s) to 350 ft plus straights w/ 10ft high 60 degree banks. The Groove, Shores Raceway, The GrandPrix all the 'cool" place were very differen't from one another but all had the " DEEETROIT" thingie thing goin on! Too bad I don't think many track pics survive
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Posted 07 December 2011 - 10:43 AM

Edo, battle of the Shinodas and Chotis huh? I don't think it would be much of a race if only run on two King tracks at 14v. Choti's will win all the time with the aero advantage. Frankly I believe the cars we are planning in this thread will out-run all of the proxy entries of the past 5 races!
But... we could open up the body limit to any body as long as it is a thingie. That would allow you and george to build whatever you want.
Heck, someone COULD bring a slab car to the race if they wanted.... bit like bringing a knife to a gun fight, but whatever!

Means ultimately that there be fewer rules.

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 10:45 AM

This is where "retro" programs confuse me. Too few rules....too many rules....which is it? Most of your programs have a lot of rules in order to attempt to recreate cars from the 60s and 70s...recreate the past, try to freeze-dry the old designs. In doing so, if you don't make enough rules, you end up with guys building cars that have all kinds of design cues from today's cars, little hidden Horkyisms and JK Productsisms and Kofordisms morphed into chassis that are supposed to be from the old days. If you make too many rules, it only makes it more fun to try to break the rules with abovementioned modern technologies.


Well, my comments were mostly in jest but, still to make the point Swiss & others have made, the fewer rules the better. That's the basis for "Thingie" racing. If you want a rule for every aspect of a car, get into a "scale" race. How can you police the proposed chassis rules? Nobody really seems to know for sure (with documentation) just what exactly was run back then. I think limiting the components themselves to 1970 and earlier takes care of a lot of problems and prevents more rules but, it seems limiting the style of chassis would be just a matter of opinion as to whether or not it is vintage and kind of kills the creativity that is so much a part of building a Thingie. Like it or not, we are not in the 60's anymore and with what we all know now, some of the modern era is still going to leak into any build, regardless. Did most guys use Jigs back then? Silver solder? Fancy soldering stations? What kind of rubber was available and are we going to stick with that? Will we all put our finished chassis in a tumbler and scrub & polish them until they look like chrome? Butyrate bodies? ....Hell no!!! Just sayin' :)
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