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[MantaRay]

Jairus,

I will have to get more bodies from Ray F...

Got to save this one you did for me...

[MantaRay]

This is another chassis I found.........The rear bracket would get tossed..........

Sure would like to see more pics of "back in the day" cars

[Gator Bob]

Edo, Thanks for posting the link, what a Great car!!!

It was such a fun time 68 to 73, so much fun I do not remember any one wing cars here on the East Coast. I was away from the hobby for a short time in this period and it seemed like the cars here went from a single rear spoiler, add some little spoilers mounted on the from fenders, then short vertical side wings to "box" the air at the back then a full hight (one piece) wrap around where the front would spread open then to full blown vertical flop down(force) 2 piece side wing and single rear spoiler setup the is still the wing car standard today.

Does any of the NY/NJ retro racers here on slotblog remember these one wing cars being run?

[Gator Bob]

Jairus, So cool so snake skin. You don't take bad pictures, so why this one? ...haha. This one is different, how many are being made now?

Ray, Mura w Mura power great starting point.

[Jairus]

I didn't take that picture Bob and that was kind of an insult to Ray I believe...

Nice start on that project Ray!

[Gator Bob]

Hi Bob
Look here, you will see a Onewinger Choti, a repop by Ray Fellows (one27ray) after a suggestion from Dave Larsen:

http://slotblog.net/...s/page__st__260

Post 267

Edo

Were the wings molded in (back in the day) like on Edo's..."Trip to Saturn" solar panel car?

I must say Your Kingist Kinkee Kingie your car-oh MG.....and oh... tha tit looks to be lovely Ms C. the Queenest, Onewingie Queenie from "another near but distant dim light planet" .... Just Wonderful interplanetary winds ....moving the planets so gently !!!

[One27ray]

Some Choit-noda bodies

















just a few of the selection.

i-ray

[slotbaker]

Cool.
The flying Billboard!!

[chief32s]

HI Ray, some nice bodies there...

Interested in the top photo, the body on the right of the photo, do you have a picture of this with a coat of paint on? Looks very smart.



I'm glad to say that my idea for a body is still in the spirit of these choti's. And I have been influenced by the light weight chassis designs that have been displayed in this thread so far. Just got to buy some parts and get building.

I would like to know what gear ratio people recommend for a 'balls out' race such as this, and what total weight people are aiming for....Also, is there a motor preference amongst builders/racers???? I like 16d's, but am wondering if I should be looking for one of these B cans? Novice questions I know, but I can but ask.

All the best,
Al.

[havlicek]

I like 16d's, but am wondering if I should be looking for one of these B cans? Novice questions I know, but I can but ask.

Hi Al,

If you just want to enter and have fun (that IS what this is all about no?), then a 16D can be a fun car for sure. If you have an incurable competitive streak, then a 16D (even a heavily modified one) will be at a disadvantage for sure. I think this thing will allow even the Green Can, so that a Mura B motor would even possibly be at a disadvantage. If you want to run a 16D, I think that it would be a good idea to use an early Mura endbell as those will be better than the Tradeship or Champion end bells at resisting heat damage. I'm not sure, but I think a B endbell will fit or will fit with slight modification. An all-out 16d with the Mura end bell, the Mura magnets (can-in-a-can shim), maybe bearings and the like should be respectable against a field with Green cans and B motors. The Mabuchi can at least has one thing going for it, it's much lighter than the Muras and I might go this way myself with a can drive Mabuchi...just because I'm only in it for the fun anyway!

-john

[Jairus]

I must note that Ray's one winger body has the wing cast-into the body. There will be no tacked on wings allowed. Also, the height of the wing is limited as well so the car can go under the bridge.

Al, Gear ratios are unknown at this time. I can't seem to get my Mule finished and down to Bryan Warmack for testing. Bryan agreed to test it and report back. Of course I will share all info.

Rules so far:
1 Must use a thingie body of any manufacturer or self made. No tacked on wings!
2 Motor tech up to December 1970.
3 Ceramic magnets only.
4 1/16" clearance.


I guess that is it. Still looking for two track directors, one at B.P. and one at Eddie's in Vallejo. I contacted my first two guys and one is too busy and the other failed to respond.

[fxgeorge]

Guys, I was there an done all that. All that has been discussed is fine and all, but it doesnt count. The formula was a wire frame similar to a UGo but with a drop arm. A Choti body was manditory, with no aero devices save a big flat plane on the outer side of the body.This was good for almost every open comp in the East Bay, CA the hotbed of thingies. We had the fourmula down so well, that in open comp, we could pound the NSRA guys into the ground. I have to reinfoirce, that this combo won just about everything in the Bay Area in the late 60's I know becuase I was the one that won. Sorry if I am seeming conceited, but thats the facts, and any one is welcome to challenge! My local track actually told me to go home because we had to formula down so well that we didnt lose.

Glenn, we must have raced at one time, my home track was A Street in Hayward. Being just a junior high kid at the time, it was hard for me to get to A Street on weekdays, but Urban had a really great enduro program on the weekends. My buddy Ellis and I used to win a lot of enduros which were two person teams and 4 or 6 hours. This was still in the inline days, we got out just after the angle winders appeared. You're right Glenn, the real deal was pretty much a minimum chassis, just enough to hold the body, the motor and the guide in one piece...the lighter the better. I don't think we referred to these cars as thingies, at least I remember we just called them "slotcars". They were the opposite of "model car racing". In the East Bay, we just got down to refining the "sport of slotcar racing" to its essence....non scale body, ultra light chassis, wind your own arms as hot as you dare....the idea is just pure speed. I'm not sure of the history, but I believe this was pretty much an East Bay phenomenon that spread to Oakland Speedway, the big track in Fremont (Irvington must have been your home track Glenn, the place by the railroad tracks) A Street, and there were other raceways that supported the same speed crazed morons like us in San Leandro, on Telegraph Avenue in Oakland. Glenn, I agree, those were the days! Nowadays I am still speed crazed, I race open "scale" slotcars.....yeah, I know, I should be a modern wing car racer (that is the true outcome of our East Bay "slotcar racing" craze) but somehow slipped into the eurosport thing. Thanks for posting Glenn. I'd like to see more photos of the "real" speed devices. My Mom gave away my box similar to the estate sales for you! Thanks Mom.

[One27ray]

Hey Al,

That body and the left handside ones are protypes that need to be remolded. Don't have a painted version yet.
The Onewinger does have a intergated wing as Jairus points out, not stapled on. It also, has and insert where one can add advertizing/etc. I don't think this body style was intended for King type tracks? We would have to have Mr. Frank tell us how they ran on this King track. Dave said they were used on a Ovil/Figure-8 track, maybe flat road tracks? I guess we would have to have Dave give us a history lesson? I had a plan for a Two Winger Choti version with smaller wing height, to scoop/suck all the air around it- a real negitive lift body lol.

i-ray

[draggon]

Hi George! What a small word! We raced together on Bancroft Ave in San Leandro, at S&L Speedway. I remember you had a choti that you died in red Rit to save weight. That impressed me. Youve got the history right, speed speed speed. On our NorCal tracks we just needed to make it thru the huge banks, as you know, launching was a big deal. I even remember you and your car going over the bank in san leandro and I picked you car up. And yes we just called them slots! I only made it to A street a few times, as I remember, it had HUGE power, and I think the surface was so smooth Silicones were needed. I raced a lot at Oakland Speedway, and that was my home till 1972. The Telegraph track was tricky, but when Les moved to HIgh Street he got the San Leandro track, and that was pretty much my home track. I think the last race I won in San Leandro was the open comp where I ran a Choti against the anglewinders. By the time Les moved that track to HIgh Street, group 12, 20, and 7 were in full force. I found group 12 to be a cakewalk, almost too easy. Nothing like the fun we had with the thingies. I still recall the excitement each week to see what new and crazy ideas were being raced.

[draggon]

Thanks for the link Jairus, I sent Rick an email, I didnt see a jig on his website. Mike, thanks for the info on the Dynamic bracket. Know anyone that wants it? I have two. Don Siegel is close as far as the "rules" went. It was 1/16 clearance ( and they were TOUGH on that ) 3" width, end of story, no more period! 3/4 inch rear tires, no rule on front wheels other than ya gotta have em, the guide couldnt extend past the front of the body, and the rule that gave us all fits, it had to have a driver figure. Yea, right, do you know how difficult it was to put a driver in a Choti? Sheesh! Jairus's challenge to build a 3 sec thingie is interesting. My best in 69 was a 7 flat on the 220 foot track at S&L, later Oakland speedway. The average NSRA car was in the low sevens, or maybe high sixes. The Choti wasnt as hard to drive as one would think, I found it easier, tho less forgiving than my anglewinders. I think the anglewinders made a bunch of so-so drivers into champs. The fastest car I built was for a CarModel/USRA race in 68 or 69. I qualified for the main with a 6:56 on that 220 foot track. So to put it into persepctive, all the angle-floppy-plummer-flexi-whoop de doos was only good for a half second on that track. And if we meet up at Eddies, I might actually make it, its only an hour or so from home. I must say tho, I might need some help with the motor!

[Gator Bob]

So we have found the missing link in the evolution of the the modern era wing car, it is the one winger that crawled and slithered on to land many decades ago from the Bay of San Francisco . Wonderful !

Did the late 69-70 era "one wing" cars of the SF Bay area have a molded in or stapled on wing?

[Gator Bob]

I didn't take that picture Bob and that was kind of an insult to Ray I believe...

Ray? are you OK with my insults as long as I am complimenting Jairus at the same time?

[Gator Bob]

Jairus, are you thinking 2 minutes per lane with these hot winds?

[Jairus]

Not thinking much right at the moment.... bed most likely. zzzzz

[One27ray]

No problem, it's all in fun anyways.
i-ray

[MantaRay]

I think Bob was insulting Me, about the pic quality in post #101.
Maybe he can insult you later. Lol...
Build on...

[Gator Bob]

Wait a minute ...

I was complimenting Jairus, then he insulted someone that uses a camera with the name Ray and blamed me just to say thank you.

I'm sorry Ray(s)

[Jairus]

Good morning, fresh cup of hot black in one hand and typing in the other.

To answer all your questions Bob. No stapled on wings will be allowed. Bodies are formed one piece, period. I would prefer we use some form of "Choti" body but three persons have requested the ability to make their own. Plus... .Ray has lots of modified "Choti-noda" bodies that are not pure Choti but in the spirit of. So as long as the body is in the spirit... it will run.

Two minute heats seems seem logical. I suggest you get busy and build one and do some of your own testing. My own mule test results will go along way toward nailing down the rules and race specs.

As for you and Ray... I will P.M. you.

[Gator Bob]

Jairus,
I saw the rule but I'm trying to understand the missing link cars better. Do you know how was it done back in the day, molded or stapled?

anyone ???

[MantaRay]

What kind of arms will be allowed?