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#51 endbelldrive

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 12:57 PM

I've been spending a lot of time on Steve Okeefe's Independent Scratchbuilder site lately and lo and behold: Model Car & Track - Winter 1963 Electric Motors For Racers
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 01:28 PM

Thanks Bob,

We're talking about including a few more motors than in that early article. I'm scanning an article now that includes motors through the end of 1964, subject to approval, it will be posted.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 02:02 PM

Take a look at the motor page I posted. Published in 1964 it's pretty comprehensive. Some stuff there I never heard of or saw. I think it would great to see some oddball motors, Tradeships, Bonners, VIP etc. Why not allow any motor mods that can be substantiated ( magazine article etc. ) prior to '64 to be legal. Of course, this would put me at a disadvantage because I will most likely be running a Stocker.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 02:42 PM

Hang on Rick... :help: ...I think Steve O has that article on his website: Independent Scratchbuilder - MC&T March 1965 - Table Top Motors
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 02:59 PM

Hi Bob and Joe,

Yup, that's the article I submitted. It has pictures of all the motors as well as their specs. Of course the Mabuchi 16D shown is a "no-go".

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 09:17 PM

Our friend Pete L gave me a link to a cool sight full of scale plans for these cars. Here it is and thanks Pete :)

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 09:13 AM

WOW! You guys are amazing! I have always been amazed with the Proxy race format but not being a "builder of cars" I watch. This really has my interest but doubtful I would participate as my time is very limited.

I will watch with great interest however and thank ALL who are involved in this great venture.

Your efforts deserve media exposure ;)
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 09:31 AM

Thank you Bob!
Things are progressing more quickly than I ever would have figured. First draft of the rules are now being reviewed and might even be posted as soon as tomorrow.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:53 AM

Guys,

We had another thought, developed from the original idea: what about opening this up to all pre-1960 Grand Prix cars?

The original proposal was for pre-war cars, but that didn't seem to inspire too many of you. But it seems that carving a 50s type GP car would be a lot easier for us beginners than trying a sports or GT car... We could still keep the sports/GT category for those interested, but also add 50s GP cars - which were also really the "star" class at the time, and up to about 1966 or so, when the sports cars began taking over...

And did you notice that all the articles describe how to build a GP car?

Let us know what you think.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:17 PM

I'm all for including that era of GP and Indy car too. I think Brad Korando did a really nice Pine Wood Derby Indy Roadster awhile back and I'd like to try my hand at carving something like that or a Novi in 1/24.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 03:52 PM

I have no problem dividing up the classes by scale and type. But then... how to score? A 1/24th scale car goes faster than a 1/32 car... right?

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 03:56 PM

HOLY SMOKES!

Check out what Rodney's already done:

Rick,

Just finished this one. Total time 4.5 hours.
Started with the fenders and doors.
Glued sides together.
Then glued in floor (to be removed later)
Added trunk and hood.
Added head rest and engine scoop.

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Amazing!

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:09 PM

Hi Bob,

Wow, great memory Bob, I'm flattered you remembered my Kurtis. I used the 1:24 Monogram kit of the 1956 Filter Queen Special as the basis of the car. I scavenged many of the plastic bits and decals to make the car, but the body was carved from a block of white pine. Here's are a couple of pictures of the car.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:31 PM

I have no problem dividing up the cars into classes and scales. But how to score the whole thing? Doesn't a 1/24th scale car handle better than a 1/32?

Quite honestly, I don't have enough experience in building and racing to be able to offer a qualified answer to the second question. I was thinking in terms of the GP cars and what motors would fit inside a wood body. At 1:24 you could fit most, if not all, of the in-line motors such as a Pittman 196B. At 1:32 that would be a tough motor to fit inside a wood body shell where as an MRRC Slim line or K's would fit nicely. In this comparison I think that the 196B would outperform the MRRC or K's motors.
As for the first question, perhaps the racing part of the competition be structured such that 1:24 cars compete only against other 1:24 cars and the same for the 1:32 scale cars.

Again, I really don't have a lot of experience in this sort of thing and there is a very good chance, probable in fact, that I know not what I speak!
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 05:29 PM

I would generally think we'd just run all the 1/24 cars together and then all the 1/32 cars together - if there are enough entrants, split that into sports & GP.

Beautiful car Brad!

In fact, you're probably thinking more about the 60s F1 cars: the 50s GP models and earlier have plenty of room to put in just about any motor you want, even a Pittman DC704!

Or maybe a Tradeship sidewinder - no, that's just getting silly!

Hey Rick, tell Rodney we're impressed! He makes it all look so easy, but then I see the drawings behind that model....

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 07:09 PM

Thanks Don and thanks for setting me straight about the size of the GP cars. You're right of course.

I'm really looking forward to this event, and I can only imagine the smell of ozone wafting through the room as the cars rumble along the track!

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 08:48 PM

I'm really excited about the prospects of carving a body, so today I dug out an old pair of outside calipers to use, went to the hobby shop and bought a bag full of miscellaneous sized Balsa wood, and found another potentially useful site browsing the 'net :)

Although probably very challenging, I'm thinking of a 1/24 scale late '50's sports car for myself, mainly so it will be wide enough to squeeze in a Pittman 706.

Just waiting for the rules to see if making the show is do-able for me, and then hopefully joining in the fray.
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Posted 28 October 2012 - 07:51 AM

It’s ok for me, I find my proxy car, 1/24 of course :)
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Posted 30 October 2012 - 04:55 PM

Here's the latest on Rodney's body:


"Wood coated with Plasti-Zap inside and out for strength. Other glue used for assembly. First layer of putty sanded."

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WEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

He made me one too! Thanks Rodney :D

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 05:00 PM

Lots of curves! I love curves! :love:
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 04:08 PM

Thanks Bob.

Here are Rodney's latest efforts in our Team California Special project. Mine is still "in the white":

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This is Rodney's mocked up with wheels and tires. Very So Cal 1950's road racer:

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Onward :)
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 07:30 PM

All I can say is... wow!
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:33 AM

Very nice!
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:40 AM

Am I right in assuming 3" track width and no model airplane tires, even if they are pre-64???
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:33 PM

I was able to see Rodney's project in person at our local track a couple of weeks ago and he informed me of this thread. I always get excited when Rodney allows me the opportunity to see the progress of his latest slot car project. Very KOOL!

Cap'n Rick Sir! What color have you planned for your body please?

All moved in now Capt'n?

Thank you.

Ernie
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:07 PM

Am I right in assuming 3" track width and no model airplane tires, even if they are pre-64???


Period sponge rubber tires like the "Germans" pictured here in the Mini Auto packaging are OK with me (I hope the other members of the rules committee will agree??):

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Having said that, our rather extensive testing has shown that modern repop tires of urethane like Ortmann's or Paul's of Canada work better.


I was able to see Rodney's project in person at our local track a couple of weeks ago and he informed me of this thread. I always get excited when Rodney allows me the opportunity to see the progress of his latest slot car project. Very KOOL!

Cap'n Rick Sir! What color have you planned for your body please?

All moved in now Capt'n?

Thank you.

Ernie


Hi Ernie,

I think my car will be yellow too. I suggested the color as it seemed very "So Cal" racer to me...almost "hot roddish" :D

Yes, we're all moved in but I'm really Jones'n for my own track!

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:49 PM

Thanks, Rick. I have some period Germans and others which I wanted to try, but I have run some Ortmanns also. I will do whatever y'all recommend as within the rules. It's my wooden brick of a body that has me concerned.......and 3"???
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:00 PM

Hi David,

I've put the tire matter to the other members of the rules committee and hopefully they will agree. The more period parts the better me thinks :) .

I would think that the track width should be guided by the real cars overall body dimensions. Generally speaking, I don't think it would be "Korrect" to see any of these cars with a track width over 3".

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:27 PM

These are all very cool. Right now though any wood I have is being burned for heat so don't leave any laying around. LOL

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:16 PM

Still?? That sucks.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:48 PM

Am I right in assuming 3" track width and no model airplane tires, even if they are pre-64???


Well David, the vote was 2 against 1 so it looks like for simplicity sake, Germans are being excluded.

In the future, I'll do what I should have done in the first place.....find out what the rest of the rules committee think and THEN comment.

Sorry for the confusion guys.

But, by all means try Germans on your car. I'll have a pair made up for mine. But for the proxy race just use some Ortmann's or Pauls Slot Car Shop urethane tires (available on his ebay store).

Noose, I hope you and everyone affected by Sandy has things back to normal as possible soon.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:31 PM

I'm not sure the Germans would have come back to life anyway, but I may try a set just for fun. I am dragging out a handful of "no-can" cars to see which might have potential.
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:00 PM

Progress report on Rodney's racer.

Rodney's car #3 is completed. It is using a Pittman DC65X (what else?  :D ), a Cox brass chassis, 48 pitch gearing at 4:1 ratio, Cox screw type guide and Paul's repop K&B Goodyear Stock Car Special tires:

 

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The car ran well but Rodney wanted to try another version so he made another body :) . It's the #3 below with the stripes on the fenders. The #4 is one Rodney carved for me and it's mine.....ALL MINE! They are shown on a picture of the car that inspired Rodney's design:

 

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This body got an all scratch built "low CG" chassis of thick brass rod with pretty much the same power train:

 

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This car also ran great and was renumbered to Lucky #13 to help tell all these cars apart!

 

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To help get all these cars to the track Rodney built a car hauler! The driver of car #13 likes his ride so much he won't even get out of it when it's on the hauler :)

 

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The hauler is powered by a Pittman DC85 torque monster motor"

 

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Here's a look at the ladder type chassis:
 

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Now we're done except for me building up my #4 car right? Well......no. Rodney carved a new #3 car with wider bass wood fenders :shok: . It's the one below with the red strips on the fat fenders:

 

 

 

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The two bodies on the right are in my hands now. I'm building up a different style chassis for my #4 car now........

 

Onward


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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:02 PM

Amazing stuff, really like the hauler!"Take me to your ladder, I'll see your leader later" Is that the Revell 37 Ford Pickup cab ? Where do those red wheels come from?

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:09 PM

Old Yeller II, yep, can see the resemblance.

Love it.

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How come right hand drive tho?

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:35 PM

Where do those red wheels come from?


They came off of an Ebay auction. I saw a set of blue ones there today in the 1/24 vintage section.
 

How come right hand drive tho?
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I forget what Rodney told me about them being right had drive. He made the last "wide body" car left hand drive.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:44 PM

Well, that does it... getting my entry out for some bench time! 

Beautiful cars there Rick!  Transporter too...


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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:00 PM

I saw Rodney's truck hauler and race car in person - exceptional!!!

 

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:33 PM

Thanks guys, Rodney does a great job for sure!

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:35 AM

beautiful work of Rodney.


Thank you for the photos.


I like the spirit


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:45 AM

Very cool project!


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:50 PM

Thanks guys :)
 
Okie Dokie, time to build my #4 car. Here's the heart of the beast, a new old stock Pittman DC-65X (6-volt) motor:
 
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I first checked the magnet strength of this almost 50 year old beast:
 
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A quick ZAP.......
 
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....and she's freshened up....
 
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....and ready for some oil and for a couple hours of break in :) .
 
For gearing I chose a Weldun 61 tooth 64 pitch crown gear that's a little less than 1" in diameter. The pinion is a modern Sonic 15 tooth job (reamed out to an ID of .0925") for a ratio of 4.067:1. The thunderous power will be held in check by some modern 1/8" ball bearings:
 
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For a rear end, I'm using a pair of brackets I designed. They are inspired from Kemtron pieces but the rear axle tube rides in a slot instead of a hole to allow for different wheel diameters. I fabricated the prototype pair and then had a few sets laser cut.
 
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The assembled unit on top is set up for 1/4" bearings. The parts below are for the 3/16" oilite bearings Rodney will be running.
 
Time to come up with a 1964 style chassis............


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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:17 PM

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:14 PM

What type of gadget is used to measure the magnetism. I'm still using my Monogram meter which is a glorified compass .

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:15 PM

Hi Gary,

 

I'm using this Wright Way Gauss Meter. I really like that I can set the magnet or whole motor on the unit's grid and get consistent measurements. The probe is kind of a pain as every tiny spot on the magnet gives a different reading. But sometimes the probe is all you can use so it's good to have it as an option:

 

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:32 PM

Thanks , that is a cool piece of gear.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:28 PM

Hi Rick,

 

You craftsmanship to me, is surgically precise - always exciting to see your work Rick!

 

Happy Holidays to you and the family!  

 

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:19 PM

Thanks Ernie and Happy Holidays to you and all my fellow Slotblogers.
 
I made some progress on the chassis. I've waffled more on the design of this chassis than any other in recent memory. I couldn't even decide on the style of drop arm. In looking through the old 1964 magazines I saw both brass tube and brass sheet styles.
 
I couldn't stop waffling between the two so I decided to use both materials. I also made up sheet brass front motor mounts:
 
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Everything bolts together like so:

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Everything is setup in my Rick's R-Geo chassis jig.
 
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I think I know the design direction I want to head in so here we go.......


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Posted 24 December 2012 - 06:36 PM

To finish off the drop arm I modified a Classic guide weight:

 

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I cut out a pocket in the bottom so the weight would sit down flush with the bottom of the drop arm. The groove in the top is for a down stop rod to sit in. The sides of the weight will contact the inner frame rails to solidly locate the drop arm, side to side:

 

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I decided to go with a "space frame" like we used to build at our Southern California raceway back in the early 1960's:

 

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I based the design on a 36D sidewinder chassis shown in the Russkit Booklet "Speed Secrets - Complete Step by Step Instructions". The chassis also shows up in Russkit magazine ads sitting in a Russkit Adjusto Jig:

 

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This may not be the best choice if the cars are "hammered" during the race like a modern car. This car has a heavy tall body and this style chassis is not going to help get its CG any lower....but I just love them:

 

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If I'm lucky, the mass of the motor will be enough to keep this car from being a "tilting pig". If not I guess I can pile some extra weight on the drop arm :o :)

 

Time to mount that body....finally!


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Posted 25 December 2012 - 10:02 AM

Lookin' at shiny brass on Christmas morn... YIPPEE!


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