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Posted 26 December 2012 - 09:40 PM

Duffy,

 

From a design standpoint, I wouldn't worry about "stretching" the design (in this case a face) to look "right" from a certain angle. I would lay the design down on the body and paint it. To coin a cliche: It is what it is.

 

Design advice I can offer, painting advice, not so much.

 

Purdy body, though.


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:16 PM

Here's a fun little exercise I did for this weekend's Jaildoor race: it's John Dilworth's new Lotus 49. It's a beautiful pull, with tiny rivet detail and a gorgeous Cosworth - & John's made two wings, the precarious one shown here and the more practical, lower-mounted "Cheese Slicer" one (which hadn't arrived in the mail yet). I hear he's got three or four of these a-carving...
The body is a year later than the R&C '66 cut-off date, but it was too cool to not-run! Let someone challenge me at the race!

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The painting was real quick: playing on the "Elf" theme, I mixed up a sorta-color-reverse of the original blue: two parts Faslucent Orange & one Faslucent Red, backed up with black. The rondels and ubiquitous "duf" are brushed on outside, with the "7" areas left clear to show the original color through.

By the way, it was too late a day to run the non-points JD race, so I didn't get a chance to run in traffic with this. Scotty & I did some laps in an idle moment & it was a total kick to see this tooling around out there in company, but I had to drive it carefully - if I popped out, it'd just tumble along like tossing a toilet paper roll down the track!

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 04:25 PM

Duff good painting on body's.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 10:49 PM

I keep saying, this isn't a "showcase" thread, it's a discussion of what goes on with at least one guy's learning curve, hopefully informed by others from all levels of painting.
So, here's a story of what I think I can do very right and also very wrong. "Your Discomfort will be instructive to us all..."

TonyP suggested I do a "Veteran" rendition: scraped paint, a ding or two, all the marks of a hard day of racing. Cool, said I, I'll get on it.
Now as luck would have it, I'm very familiar with markings like this. Not because I race, exactly, but from where I COMMUTE - Brooklyn's Gowanus Expressway / BQE corridor is a great place to take notes on what body damage looks like! The only thing I couldn't use in my project was the torn-up sides from driving up against one of those trucks with the Ben-Hur wheel spike lugnuts, but just about anything else worked...

So, first, the undercoat.

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My "Sponsor" for this one is the manufacturer of the paint I use on the outside of my shells, 1-Shot Lettering Enamel. As an in-joke to a friend, I utilized the 1-Shot logo in such a way as to also serve as my roof number on this stocker body.

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To get the positioning of the wraparound skin just right, I sketched my layout on masking vinyl and draped it over the body. This first one was too big: I wanted to drape over the sides to some extent, but I needed to also keep enough of the main target rondel up & off the windows that it'd be recognizable as a circle. So, try it again smaller.

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This one's more like it.
Using the same template as I used to draw the skin - a 1-Shot paint can, by strange coincidence - I cut up masking-tape scraps & built up around the curves in the shell, & then filled in the middle.

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First color pitched & peeled. I'm leaving my outer skin sketch in place for reference.

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Inside colors done. This car is Fascescent Yellow dusted on in two coats & backed up with Faspearl Gold, then the rondel and arrow a single dust of Faspearl White & solid Faswhite over all.
Then, starting to lay out the lettering outside. At this point, I can sketch the basic outlines and look 'em over, & if it don't go right I can wipe it off with a rag & brush cleaner and try again.

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Okay, so here's the basic job, complete. Hey, look, I forgot to do the tail of the arrow! Dummy.

Continued on next post.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:14 PM

So, now, the damage starts.

I'm playing in the spirit of that bit from Days Of Thunder - "I want you to go back out and HIT THE PACE CAR!!..."

So, somewhere in the carnage, it becomes necessary to quickly swap-in a fender panel that don't quite match:

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Please notice my wry comment on recent interseries skirmishes and their collateral damage. I hope I wasn't too subtle here.

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Okay, so here's the "Distressing Station" - draps of paint in colors and in blacks&silvers, to create "rubbin' paint" episodes interspersed with all-out scrapes and gouges. A good way to smear these on is with Q-tips, or in my case these neet long-handled swabs that I got somewhere for use in dipping drops of acid flux. - These also work a treat to wipe up paint goofs in tight places!
The basic procedure's to just pick up paint on the swab, wipe it on a paper towel to cut down on how much to apply (you can always apply more), & daub it on / wipe it on / rub it off. I figure the picture of my work station tells the story.
Also notice the tyre here, with silver / black paint on it. It will figure in the next shot up.

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Here's the right side of the car, then. It's got the "Talladega Stripe" of white paint, from riding the wall - and there's not too much white, it's lost in the rest of the damage.
I left a bit of the rear quarter panel unpainted and backed it up with some tubing, as though a whole section was carried away - okay, two things: this is pretty much impossible in a real stocker, since they're one shell over the whole car! - But then, a real stocker don't have door lines, nor handles, not to mention damn windshield wipers...and the other thing: turns out the rules don't allow unpainted bodies, and we hadda take a Sharpie to the clear spot at the tech table!

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Like I say, I see a LOT of cars lookin' like this on my morning commute! This was done with the tyre I showed up above, and a little daub or two of someone else's paintjob to make the message clear.

All in all, I'm sorry I spoiled a nice 1-Shot car with all the damage. I liked the basic layout more, but I had already masked out & painted the "replacement" fender, so I was committed to it from the gitgo. I won't do it again, not like this.

But the job got me a "Concours" win this weekend, so there's some consolation.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:06 AM

Man, that is just TOO COOL!!! A REAL race car!


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:10 AM

And he won Concours with it this weekend. It was very cool!

 


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:16 PM

Oh My God that is cool! VERY VERY nice! Thanks so much for sharing this.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:51 AM

DANG, dood; it's startin' ta look like ya know what you're doin'! I gotta start drinkin' the same water as you! That's some real nice work, Duffy!


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:05 AM

will you be bottling up that Brooklyn tap water Duffy?
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:59 PM

Duffy,
We're are you getting your lettering paint?
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:17 PM

I'm betting every artists' or pro paint store carries it, it's the biggest seller for detail work anywhere. There's a Dick Blick 20 minutes from me by the F train, & that's what I do. You can get it on Amazon, prolly at a better price too.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:14 PM

Online TCP Global, Eastwood or Coast Airbrush are great sources.

 

Locally you can also try Sherwin Williams paint stores. Not all carry 1 Shot, but a fair amount of them do now.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:23 PM

I gotta couple notes to put down here for the next time -

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Getting some controllers rebuilt, & I figured I'd paint them all the same so I'd recognize 'em when I'm hurrying back to the drivers' panel. My first was a Noose-painted one, and he originated the lane-change idea I continued here. I didn't really intend to do the dots & arrows in just the pattern where they cross over in reality, but now that it's happened I'm gonna keep doing!

As usual, all outside work is 1-Shot, & the dots are actually just dips of a Q-Tip & throw away.

The biggest challenge here was painting over the sudden ledges & dropoffs from the ribbing on the controller body! I had to be ready for the elevation change, in order to make the line look about the same. - More Q-Tips were sacrificed in the name of cleanliness here, many more.

The other thing to mention: when doing text stuff in this conversational mode like here, it's actually wise to paint the letters on backwards, from the end of a word or line. So, I started lettering from the "y" on "Thursday" and went from there, in each line. It helps with plotting out where to begin & end a line, and also in deciding how to space out a line in relation to its neighbor. All this gets more natural with experience, I guess, but this is the first experience in this for me. See how the next works out.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:01 PM

While we're on the subject of working backwards:

I wanted to do actual rondels for the race number. Lacking those stickers everyone else uses as masks, a quick swoop of the pen inside a circle template & some X-Acto work got me what I wanted, & in more sizes too, I betcha.

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The rondel mask went on first, then the striping over it. I've drawn bold lines on the mask to show where I stuck bits that "walk around" the curve I'm masking out, saving me some cutting time; the big transverse nose piece is all that I cut out on the mat & applied, all the other curves & tapers are done in stock widths. The outside cheat line would make everything look like smooth radii.
Once I had everything laid in, I went back and cut out the stripe masks to make a border around the rondels.
Color was a quick black fog around the bottom, then Fascescent Blue over all & backed up with silver, then a blend of Faslucent Orange with some F'lucent Red, all backed with silver, then a Faspearl White dusting for the rondels, backed up with Faswhite.

I had thought far enough ahead on this body to know where I wanted to go with it, especially as regards the "Porsche" sidewall paint scheme I parody here. I didn't want to just mask right through the wheelwells again, I actually wanted to make it look like I'd intended to cut out where I did...which, of course, predisposed me to cut out where I intended...

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So, some layout with a ruler and some draughtsman's circle templates got me in the ballpark. You don't see all the Sharpie notes on the outside of the shell in this pic, but they're there. The strip masks on the side were trimmed shy of those layout circles, & then I matched the dusky red in 1-Shot and painted "Duffy" on the outside. You can see Sharpie hatch marks on the bottom perimeter to help me space those letters.
Worked out pretty well.

At the race this weekend where I had this out, Ray & Eva Duran informed me that, as they had learned previously, the font and rocker panel arrangement I've parodied here from Porsche is proprietary and write-protected by Porsche. I can expect a cease-&-desist any day. Oh well.
- Similarly: in the '70s in So. Cal, I had reason to take out a business license for myself as an independent machinist "contractor" - and, as 27-year-olds in that day were wont to do, I blithely & a little nastily (mid-'70s, right?) documented myself as "The Huge Tool Corporation." About five weeks in, I was visited by two nicely-suited gentlemen with an official legal request to change my name, accompanied by a low-four-figure check from Mr. Hughes to persuade me. Sure, no problem at all.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:20 PM

Rondell mask = lane sticker....................


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:24 PM

...Y' didn't even read my FIRST TWO lines, not to mention the rest of the gobblygook? Strike a blow for Literacy, I declare...
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:48 PM

I like that blue and orange body. Dark blue, orange and yellow always makes a sharp color combination.

 

For roundels, I went to Staples and bought a box of yard sale price stickers. They come in purdy colors with various prices pre-printed on them (even some blanks), they're 3/4" in diameter, and they peel off easily. Since I use 1/2" numerals, things work out nicely.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:13 PM

Duffy,

The "The Huge Tool Corporation." story ... Bravo :clapping: 

:unsure:   ... Beware of any letter shapes (or order) learned previously or not self claimed as such.  :huh:

 

With admittance... that I don't cut my own rondels but this is a pretty good cut to do it by.  


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:34 PM

For roundels, I went to Staples and bought a box of yard sale price stickers. They come in purdy colors with various prices pre-printed on them (even some blanks), they're 3/4" in diameter, and they peel off easily. Since I use 1/2" numerals, things work out nicely.

Those work great for front wheel well masks too! Although I buy the ones without the prices printed on them.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:17 PM

Those work great for front wheel well masks too! Although I buy the ones without the prices printed on them.

 

So then ...  :huh: ... you have to wait to scan them at the register?   :whistle3:


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:23 PM

..Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh. Bob, you are honing for a Lubowsky "You're out of your league, Donny" moment.

"Scan at the register," ohhhh God......
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 08:32 PM

Duffy, Great work. I can't wait to get started Pinstriping, Hand lettering, and Hand numbering.

This reminds me of when I started lining cars with the black Sharpy, then I started detailing interiors, and here I am.

It always happens in this hobby.

 

8 years ago it all started with 2 - H.O. cars. 

 

Did you practice a lot like Noose suggested before you lettered a car, or did you just start right away ? What kind of materials and tools do you keep around to fix mistakes ?     


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 01:15 AM

"What d'you keep around to fix mistakes"...great subject. I'll do some pictures. Gimme a couple days.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:37 AM

I use water-based acrylic paint just so I can clean up in the kitchen sink; no solvents or carcinogens needed(other than what's in our water LOL). I use a toothpick to blend a supposed-to-be-straight-but-turned-out-squiggly line into a straight line(or whatever the desired shape is). Another thing for any aspiring body-painter/hand-letterer to bear in mind is that "we" are our own worst critics. We cringe at the imperfections(made larger than life, literally, with our geezer goggles) while the general populace accepts our work for what it is. In other words... don't sweat it. Do the work the best you can, learn from mistakes made, and move on to the next and hopefully it will be better.


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:52 AM

This reminds me of when I started lining cars with the black Sharpy, then I started detailing interiors, and here I am. It always happens in this hobby.

[Cackles evilly, rubs hands] We GOT 'im!!....
My friend Prof. Fate was fond of saying "this hobby was invented by 16-year-old boys" (who, according to him, had invented stick & tissue model airplanes four years earlier, three decades previous!!) - and there's an element of that particularly in the guys who build & paint. It also ties in with another Fate codgerism, "I'm never so in control of my life as when I'm at my workbench - nor so completely responsible for what I produce."
I think the real blessing in modeling is how it's not tied to our Real Lives; we can quite literally hew our own path here, wherever we want & at our own pace. That's a gift in this constricted world.
 

Did you practice a lot like Noose suggested before you lettered a car, or did you just start right away ? What kind of materials and tools do you keep around to fix mistakes ?

I wanna get into some particulars with this (especially now that some of us're actually into the discussion of particulars), but I gotta wait 'til I've tooled up to paint again - a few days.

But, "Did I practice" -

I'm a Southpaw, and it's been a lifelong battle just to get a cursive script others can read. Best thing I ever did was to stumble on a Calligraphy workbook written by the wondrous graphic artist David Lance Goines - you can still get it - that finally trained me about shaping the letters so that they work. So, practice - yah, by accident and necessity I got a skill. Actually went pro for a while, doing wedding docs & such.
I think you'll know how much practice you need once you try a few strokes on a test piece. You'll know when you're confident enough to do the real thing.
Another thing: there's "practice" and then there's "exercise." Like any learned motion (including, as I'm learning the very hard way, driving a slot car), you can know the motions you need to get the brush down & around & up, but it's much later that that knowledge becomes second nature. The brain learns first, the natural unthought motion in the hand is, well, up to the hand. One day you'll notice you're not having such a hard time, and you'll smile at the surprise.

"Start right away" -

Probably.
There's one thing you want to do right away, and that's to get it into your sense that nothing is Precious. There's no one-time thing in your hobby, no Monument you're doing where one wrong chip and David's flawed forever; you can have fun screwing up and moving on. Boatbuilder Pete Culler said, "There will be lumps, and what of it? Build it now. The water won't know, and you'll build one much less lumpy later on."
Another way to say is, don't get too attached to it. Nothing's Precious, least of all something you're fully accepting will likely bash into a wall. Fate: "THEY ARE ALL DOOMED."

All this gobblygook adds up to, get confident that you can paint what you want once you begin it. Yah, practice your skills off the workpiece, and then that workpiece will also be practice for the next.
& so on.

I'm actually starting a little notepad of things I wanna address about this learning-to-paint thing, so I remember once I start to type 'em out. Thanks, Mike, for asking the right questions.
As I say repeatedly here, I'm by no means any expert on this, and I beg the real painters to chime in; but by my noobie-ness I might be ideally poised express all the little fiddly bits I discover, all the things the real painters know, do, and have forgotten they learned.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:04 PM

Duffy; you are a trip!!!

 I understand your concept that if you are going to be a rolling roadblock to the other drivers, at least you are going to be the best looking one on the track!!!  I went thru that phase in the late'80s/early '90s, culminated in taking 1/32 euro-sport concours at the '90 nats... Have also gotten to judge lots of concours. Having the best looking body on the track is great... Knowing you actually did it yourself is even better. But there is one other thing to keep in mind. Which is better, to win concours, or to win the race?? I only know one driver capable of doing both; PA Watson... 

 

Keep up the good work, the lettering thing is beyond me, I will leave it to you.... sometime you should look at doing stencils for your sponsors... like this

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:20 AM

I guess the presumption that I've made some either/or choice here is easy when you're not looking at the back story; be advised, that's not the case with me. This thread's about the painting, and I figure I can have some fun with myself here. But this isn't all I'm trying to improve.

Can you share with us how you do your stenciling, please?

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 10:26 PM

Thank you Duffy for your comments and your help. The "nothing is precious" tip is so true. I learned that right away when I started to airbrush my own bodies.

 

I am also starting to build my own Retro chasis as I also learn to hand paint.

 

I did think about getting some book on fonts.

 

I will be looking for some tips on fixing mistakes and looking forward to your future posts.

 

As Frank at Rt.93 used to say (that's where I race), "I'll be craft'in"

 

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:33 PM

Any ideas on acheiving a flat black area on the outside of a lexan body ? Will primer then flat black paint work ?

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:38 PM

Any ideas on acheiving a flat black area on the outside of a lexan body ? Will primer then flat black paint work ?

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Use flat black paint on the outside of the body.


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:43 PM

OK Thank you Mike. I was just making sure, you know how us beginners are. Over think things sometimes. Wondering if there is any secret slot car magic to be found. 

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:04 PM

Beginner or no, I regularly catch myself and ask:

"...Am I overthinking?

"........Am I overthinking ENOUGH??....."

 

There's plenty of secret slot car magic to be found, we're making it up all the time. That's why this is such a great hobby. - You didn't know that?

 

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:12 PM

One of the Texas racers is in the habit of painting a solid flat color on the outside of his bodies. He says it makes it easier for him to pick out his car with his old eyes... no glossy glare from overhead lights.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:57 PM

I assume your intent is to enjoy yourself, & you do. Its your thread so your wish is my command ! 


First off, my memory of this process is somewhat cobwebbed since the actual work was done 19 years ago when I worked for SARN & had Photoshop on the computer in-front of me... 


Scan the logo into Photoshop or something equivalent. I don't remember exactly what file format I saved it as, but it was what ever we used for black & white line art. Then I resized to fit the area on the body I was going to fill. Next print out a copy for each color you are going to use; then on each copy, cut out where you want the paint to go. For one use stencils transfer this cut-out to masking tape stuck to a sheet of glass; Cut out with a sharp x-acto knife & apply. CARFULLY burnish to seal the masking tape before you paint. I have always used lacquer, so I can't make any suggestions about using Fascolor, as it didn't exist back then. Repeat as necessary for other colors. Since you are basically doing everything in reverse, (you are working inside of the body) some thought is required as to painting order, but it is better to work from dark to light, just like working with fogs.


If you want reusable stencils I believe one would use frisket paper... Never did it, but I read something to that effect in an article about painting in one of the Enthusiast back issues from the late '80s...


There, If I left anything out, someone else has probably explained it better somewhere else.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:08 AM

Thanks, Ben. Um - my father used to say, "As Craftsmen, we must take our work seriously; but we're heading for trouble if we start taking ourselves seriously."

 

A couple guys, a page or two back, were discussing machine-cut vinyl masks & the processes. Maybe we can get something going, if anybody wants to talk about it.

Isn't Frisket that mask that comes on its own backing sheet? I played with the stuf in an earlier life, and I recall it was a bit stiffer than masking tape but not practical for stuffing inside our bods. Anybody who knows more, please pipe up.

I also messed with this real thin vinyl I got from Dick Blick, which can be coaxed around compound curves better than masking tape, & I tried doing fancy cut-out masks with it; but it was too limp and perfect hell to get in there, at least with my present limited finger facility. I went to piecing together things with masking tape after that. For me, the vinyl is good for backing up big surfaces around an area, but I couldn't work with it.

 

We should go into this in more depth. Anybody wants to hijack with some hard numbers, please do, or get a link here to a thread where this stuff is going on.

 

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:10 PM

With the flat black I wanted to create that 1980's black nose piece used on asphalt late models. Not to mention other details that tend not to be glossy.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:16 PM

Frisket is a type of vinyl (I think) mask that comes in various thickness and levels of adhesion.  It works well for cutting intricate work, and multiple layers.  The trick is finding the combination of the characteristics that works the way you like.  Biggest problem with the ones with low adhesion is they lift with very little exposure to solvents. In general, they are not as sticky as some of the heavier vinyls (like the yellow stuff from Parma). 

 

Just another tool that takes a little work to figure out. 


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:28 PM

I find in most cases all of the vinyl masks lift even with a good burnishing. It is always the one on the main windscreen and not the side ones like on a GTC.  The trick then is to use a Q-tip with some solvent (I use lacquers) to remove the wee bit of overspray that does creep under. 

 

The vinyl "shapes" such flames and lightening bolts, etc. that Parma makes work very well though and very little bleeding occurs IMO.

 

One thing to remember.  Try to get to doing the painting soon after you have completed the taping.  What tends to happen if you mask bodies and let them sit  for too long the masking will lift.  You need to remember to rub it down again before you start painting if this is what you do.  Since I tend to do a lot of bodies at one time it is something I am very conscious of.

 

I have also used some artist frisket material and it worked OK on bodies.  A lot of times I just hand cut stuff from the masking tape.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:01 PM

 The vinyl "shapes" such flames and lightening bolts, etc. that Parma makes work very well though and very little bleeding occurs IMO.

 

 

I was just thinking about these - they're so intricately cut and all narrow shapes (no large open areas in the mask) that they'll conform to any curve the shell throws at 'em! Sure they'll stay put without lifting, there're no compound curves to buckle in.

 

One of my biggest problems (and it ain't any too big, by comparison with shoveling a car out of snow or visiting your tax accountant; I mean, let's get real here, folks!) is with the static attraction of masks, any masks as far as I've seen, to the shell - I'll be tweezering something gingerly down inside there and just as it gets close, it blurps down like a dragonfly on fresh asphalt! I can never lay it down the first time.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:04 PM

For those very serious about static ... http://www.gotopac.c...2_p/4002612.htm

 

I have 2 of these from work .... and it makes a Big difference in the 3'x6' coverage area. 

 

O3 generator ... ahaaaa the smell of a fresh rain scrubbed air. 

 

These help too ... if the clear body and the operator (tweezer) are are grounded thus providing a constant path for ESD. The ESD grounded mats and wrist straps will help. 

 

Not rubbing them on her wool sweater like a squeaky party balloons helps the most....  using two tweezers to place a mask, but then the body levitates.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:12 PM

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:48 PM

An Inky Update of a work-in-progress...or, maybe more appropriate, Workus Interruptus:

 

I've been trying to lean more towards paintjobs that are at least evocative of the period; not direct copies at all, but having elements that are recognizable as from this or that car. The Lola T-163 above uses the D U F F Y side graphic in this manner, borrowing from the Porsche banners. We'll see more of these as I go, if I go.

 

Here, I started working through what I need to know in order to do a further exploration of another famous Porsche livery, using very long and narrow stripes. Timid as I am (no, really I am, really!), I started out semi-thick this time.

 

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This mask job continues the practice of piecing up curvy & tapered elements from smaller bits. Even the long lines are narrow tape that might get a divergent piece added on toward the end to suggest a gentle taper or curve.

The curves of the body itself can be used to complement and contribute to this, too, as well as to hide any uneven spots. And as always, if you blow it at this point, it's five minutes to tear it out & try again, and the second time's always faster.

 

Now, here's what I wanted you to see with this: the color contrast.

 

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I put down this metallic powder blue first, very like the Cooper-Ford blue from the Riverside cars but a little lighter; then I dida rusty red for the stripes. What's more contrasting than red and blue, right?

But there's another thing, and I can't think of the term for it - the comparative brightness of the two colors: these both have almost the same albedo, and if it was a greyscale pic they'd look like one solid color! s'True, I had a heck of a time painting a cheat line because my eye wouldn't see wheere the line was!

It shows here in the D U F F Y stripe - so much so that I will probably do a quick white "shadow" to give it a little pop.

 

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I had intended from the start to do a narrow white cheat line (which also "curves up" the jerky tape mask), but as you see here it makes all the difference in the "pop" of the stripe.

I'll return to this bod in a few weeks: I don't have a Coupe event for a while, and I gotta paint up some other stuf.

 

Last thing, by special request for a friend:

I dragged a guy along to a race this weekend. He had a ball, racing loaners from Noose as luck had it (and had it bad) - crashed one. Afterwards as we were joking around about it, he snapped a pic of me posing all-forlorn, and had posted the pic even before I got home to see...

 

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...Okay, remember, this is a guy I call "friend." I might want to revisit that.

The patter on the chat site was great, though. "Ooooo, Duffy's invoking his rarely-seen Superpower, Enormous Brain." - "What's Enormous Brain good for, anyway? It's not like he can use Laser Vision to solder the axle back...maybe he can stop up the A/C duct at just the right moment, but that's about it..."

 

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:36 PM

Dunno, Duf; looks like yer levitatin' the lead wires pretty good there with pure Enormous Brain power!


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:17 AM

LOL I was thinking the same thing Tex.

 

Now Duffy, use your laser vision to get that front axle back on my car. 


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:26 PM

Duffy,

 

What is the best tape to use for curved lines ? Masking tape you can form tight curves with ?

 

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 08:26 AM

Mikey,

 

Actually none IMO.  The Tamiya and Parma tapes can be "formed" a bit but you need to make absolutely sure they are firmly plated to the body as they will lift after some time.


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:54 PM

Ok. I saw some 3M tape in the Micro Mark book that may do some curves.

Any experience with that ?

 

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 02:41 PM

No tape is going to do curves and stay both flat and attached. Gentle bends, okay, if it's narrow enough. That's why I'm practicing with masking with two or more pieces on these things.

If the curve's going around some element and needs to be pretty curvy, I'll actually cut it out on the mat and apply it inside the shell; I might trim a little once it's there, or if it's really bad I'll tear it out and use it as a template for doing the right one.

 

I've been using Tamiya masking tape and I like it a lot; just enough tackiness, it's thin and flexible and it does take a little curve. Look on Amazon for it.

 

Another thing about curves: think about how the humps & lumps in your body might be complemented by long straight-er lines that will LOOK curvy in the final product. You may get some ideas.

 

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 03:12 PM

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