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#51 Phil Worthy

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 02:24 PM

Team Evil Minnows (Duffy, Marty Stanley and Rick Moore)

Evil chassis geniuses at work--everybody run!

Man, you guys have very distinct building styles (Although Duffy's last beauty reminded me of Rick's work). I'll be fascinated to see what "United Bad Bait" :wizard: come up with! :ph34r:




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Posted 23 November 2012 - 02:27 PM

The current list, as far as I'm aware:

Al Bond
Barney Poyner
Bob Suzuki
Brian McPherson
Darryl Vance
David 'Maximo' Siller & Jairus Watson
Jaak Beentjes
Jim Struckel
John Austin
Kevin Cosgrove
Mark Patterson
Mike Zimmerman
Pablo Wolcott
Ray Fellows
Ray Price
Rod Morrison
Sam Weldon & Graham Walker
Steve King
Steve Ploskunak
Team Evil Minnows (Duffy, Marty Stanley and Rick Moore)
Team Lowriders (Steve Kempson and Kathryn Bartlett)

Reserves:

Dennis 'Foamy' Hill
Gary Vogeler
Andy Brown-Searle
Tony 'Bigtone'
Tony P.
Ben Kernan

I like the idea of people teaming up very much indeed. Any more?

Pablo: I have an Evil 9 motor in front of me that measures .600" for most of the can and stretches to .607" where it expands for the 'endbell'. Adding .125" to that (for .062" clearance under the motor) comes to .732" with my stubby pencil. Tires of .820" should allow you some wiggle room in your build.
I admit that I hadn't actually measured it when I came up with this spec. I was relying on my memory of building my early Retro cars with a forward inclined motor going into a 'straight' bracket to get the correct clearance. The JK brackets that I used to employ had a lip that extended below the motor which always needed removing with a Dremel for optimum adjustment room. Perhaps your bracket has the same?

The Chief: I'll be happy to road test your car at North London and discuss the results with you when it's built. Same goes for Jaak and anyone else without a track near at hand.

Thanks to everyone for their interest and enthusiasm. Much more than I'd hoped for.
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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:44 PM

Team Evil Minnows (Duffy, Marty Stanley and Rick Moore)
Evil chassis geniuses at work--everybody run!

Huh. Listen, Honey, I'm no stranger to flattery. Don't try to drink me into bed, y'know? I can be had, but I'm no pushover. A girl's got standards.

Man, you guys have very distinct building styles (Although Duffy's last beauty reminded me of Rick's work). I'll be fascinated to see what "United Bad Bait" :wizard: come up with! :ph34r:


Two things: while all the rods & angles look similar, we have very different origins: Wrick has actually put some thought and a good deal of experimentation & experience into his Weird Wire Wonders, while I am simply errified of putting a solder joint in some weak spot & so I just try to bend around them all. See? Totally different.

And I've been specifically assigned the body-painting part of the job; they figured that would be safest. Putting me on a design team with two other chassis builders is like handing Keith Moon a hammer & a blowtorch and sending him into a Modern Jazz Quartet recording session.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:51 AM

With the condensing of the series entry list as people have teamed up with friends, I have elected to expand the maximum number of cars enough to admit the reserve list into the circus. I hope nobody will have a problem with this, although I do specifically apologize here to Pablo whom I know has a strong dislike of the goalposts being moved once the game is underway.
There are some great people listed here now and I'm confident we'll all have a good time with the series.

Al Bond
Andy Brown-Searle
Barney Poyner
Ben Kernan
Bob Suzuki
Darryl Vance
Dennis 'Foamy' Hill
Gary Vogeler
Jaak Beentjes
Jim Struckel
John Austin
Mark Patterson
Mike Zimmerman
Pablo Wolcott
Ray Fellows
Ray Price
Rod Morrison
Steve King
Steve Ploskunak
Team Evil Bucks
Team Evil Minnows
Team Lowriders
Team Maximo-Watson
Team REM
Team Weldon-Walker
Tony 'Bigtone' Davey

Makes 26 by my reckoning.
Team Evil Bucks consists of Tony P. and Gator Bob.

A date has also been set for the Raceway 81 round, Sunday 28th April, '13. You can see the official announcement here.
I hope to find a convenient time for the North London round soon. It'll also be in April if it can be managed.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:59 AM

Is there somewhere I can find a list of bodies with pics and info on where they are available from? I know that Tru Scale has them, and I can get some from Brian at REM Raceway, but I wanted to see what other options are out there.... THANKS
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:59 AM

I'm all for including more people.

Steve, I mocked up a motor and bracket last night, a JK hypoid with .820 wheels makes the motor clear about .062, but the bracket hangs down too low. So with an application of Mr. Belt Sander to the bottom of the bracket, it will work.
Hypoid bracket is legal, yes ?
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 01:38 PM

Steve,

Try Ray Fellows aka One27Ray or Mike Zimmerman aka 32deuce.
Ray has more versions of Thingie bodies then anybody else.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:05 PM

Hypoid brackets are not banned. If you can make .062" rear clearance, Pablo, go for it.

Mark Patterson has unfortunately withdrawn his entry so we're down to 25 now. Still great.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 03:27 PM

:clapping: Too quiet over here.

 

 

:rolleyes:  After the Balls Out race you guys had me thinking the the words Retro and Thingie could not be used in the same sentence. :tease:

 

This is going to be big fun ! :lol:


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Posted 01 December 2012 - 06:13 PM

I'm at work, what can I do ? :o


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Posted 02 December 2012 - 08:16 AM

Hey Bob, think you can meet the deadline this time ?  :sarcastic_hand:


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:05 AM

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Update time.
A Wednesday club night in early April '13 at North London has been requested by me for the first round of the Lucky 13 series. The calendar is currently being drawn up so I'm hoping it's either be the 10th or the 17th April, whichever one falls within our fortnightly schedule.

Jairus Watson has kindly granted my request to hold a round of the series at ASA Hobbies in Albany, OR.
Thanks again, J.

There's the possibility that John 'Howmet' Dilworth may build a car for us as a wild card entry, personal commitments permitting. John is a close friend and has been a stalwart of Thingie proxy racing since Day 1. His Dyna-Rigg was a race winner in the Dynamic Challenge on Speedzone's Jersey Devil. My fingers are crossed that John can be with us.

I'm loving Pablo's chassis build so far.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:11 PM

Hi Steve

 

 Nice real flame's ..... I like your Burning Ember's :heat:

Is this a Peek of the Kempson Paint ????

 

 GAV :good:


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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:21 PM

Angled pinions ok?
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:36 PM

I hope so... I'm using them and so is the Pablo team. 


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:59 AM

Yes, Ben. 21st century Thingies.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:10 PM

Hey Bob, think you can meet the deadline this time ?  :sarcastic_hand:

 

I don't think so, I'm too busy thinking about the podium. ;)

 

That's a great build ya got goin on, thanks for all the tips and tricks. :good:  

 

I'm learning alot and since I got that Stock Car chassis from you I know you Are a "Builder" :bb:


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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:20 PM

I really like Steve-O's rules, that's why I showed my hand early in the game. :D


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:40 PM

Since there seems to be a track owner or someone involved in this series who can't solder a motor in, can we use super glue instead??? I gave up on motor screws in 1987, because they are way too unreliable & responsible for lots of stripped gears!!! If you can't solder then what are you doing in this type of racing; go back to Womps.

Just my opinion, & just like navels, every one has one. BTW My car is mostly built & has been track tested twice. Adding some rear up-stops now to limit excessive pan movement.
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 04:12 PM

Ben, Ben, Ben,

Lowrider made the rules with a lot of forethought.  This style motor works perfectly with screws only. Easy to swap motors when 2 screws are used.  No, they don't strip gears.  Maybe you stripped gears in 1987 but this ain't 1987. Nobody is having problems screwing in these type motors.  Also, you do not want to be introducing lots of heat to this type motor. 

 

I screw in my FK type motors in IRRA racing and never, ever have problems, and, YES I CAN SOLDER.  ALSO I like WOMPS.

 

I don't see any rule that prohibits using glue on your motor, but if she goes sour and the proxy guys wish to replace it for you, and it's been super glued, well, there may be a problem for you.  Super glue away !! :laugh2:  :dash2:  :laugh2:  :bomb:


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 08:11 PM

Problem is my bracket only takes one screw... at the bottom.


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 08:30 PM

You had better drill two new holes Ben and use the standard machine thread screws or go home. It's a solid rule... so states the rule maker.


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:19 PM

Ben, I understand your problem now. Sounds like you have a bracket not designed for FK motors.

I have 3 possible suggestions for you:

 

1. Change it to a modern bracket like a non-hypoid JK retro. They make them in 1" and .750" widths.

2. Use a modern retro bracket (like the above) and use the 2 holes as a pilot for marking, then drilling, 2 new holes in the existing bracket.

3. Send me the car, I'll fix it, no charge.

 

You have several months, plenty of time......


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:57 AM

Pablo, since the car is already built, option 3 sounds good. This is an REH bracket... 


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:07 AM

Steve: Raceway 81 looks like a Kingleman to me, & at 141', is of commercial length... Looks fast too. Hopefully the rest of the tracks will be smaller. Any idea when we will see the others??? An 8 tooth pinion will be fine on that track, but what about smaller venues, like the Kingie's track?


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:27 AM

Hey Steve,

 

The flames will make some nice decals Hey :crazy:


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 12:13 PM

The Raceway 81 track is fast by our UK standards, Ben, and an 8 tooth pinion is what we use on Retro cars there.
I am, however, strongly recommending the use of 7 tooth pinions although there is no spec gear ratio for the series. The majority of the tracks will be suited to shorter gearing and having a car short of breath at one or two rounds seems a better option to me than stressing the motor in its mid-range on all the other tracks. There will also be a trip down a drag strip at one round, either at REM Raceway or at a St Louis track, and an 8 tooth pinion will definitely hurt your acceleration.

Pablo and Jairus have the right handle on the bracket question. Big thanks to Pablo for his offer of help there.

The first round of the series will be held at North London on Wednesday, 3rd of April during one of our regular club nights. That's your deadline, thank you gentlemen.

Edo has agreed to judge a beauty contest of the cars through photos which will supply the points for one of the 13 rounds. The option exists for him to hold an actual race on his Lugano track exists but that will depend on the commitments he has at the time.

Andy Brown-Searle posted a photo of his nearly finished entry on Facebook a few days ago and I'm copying it here for all the Facebook refuseniks. Body is a Truescale Mach 1 although Andy has other options to try as well.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 12:51 PM

OK Ben, send it.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:58 PM

Ben, I found my hole drilling "pattern" for FK motors.

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It's the can end of a Falcon.  What I will do is, tack solder the "pattern" on your bracket.

Then drill the two holes, left and right. Ream out a little with a very small rat tail file, and you are good to go. Picture is for illustration purposes only, it's a junk bracket :)

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I know you build good chassis, you could probably do this yourself.

Or just send it to Mississippi, I ain't scared. If I ruin it, I'll have to build you a new chassis :laugh2:

 

 

 


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:34 PM

Here is my chassis, minus running gear. Has already been track tested twice, slides well. 99% sure body will be Shinoda Arrow. That will be painted in a couple of weeks.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:45 PM

The Raceway 81 ... track is fast by our UK standards, Ben, and an 8 tooth pinion is what we use on Retro cars there.
I am, however, strongly recommending the use of 7 tooth pinions although there is no spec gear ratio for the series. The majority of the tracks will be suited to shorter gearing and having a car short of breath at one or two rounds seems a better option to me than stressing the motor in its mid-range on all the other tracks. There will also be a trip down a drag strip at one round, either at REM Raceway or at a St Louis track, and an 8 tooth pinion will definitely hurt your acceleration.


Andy Brown-Searle posted a photo of his nearly finished entry on Facebook a few days ago and I'm copying it here for all the Facebook refuseniks. Body is a Truescale Mach 1 although Andy has other options to try as well

 

 

 

Andy, your car looks outstanding :good:

 

Low, I would have missed it....thanks for the Refusenikers forward/repost.

Is it a .... Pick-it, n'Stick-with-it'... gear rule?




 


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:33 PM

Yes, once the series has started, Bob.
Happy to test and report findings on any cars that arrive early and tweak according to owner's wishes. Also pre-race testing for any entrants without access to a track.

That's certainly a chassis, Ben. Good to hear that there will be at least one open wheel Thingie in the action.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:14 PM

2 screws.jpg Got my screw problem taken care of... now I'll do some more testing, & then drop it down to the 7 tooth pinion... then off to Blighty!

BTW I am testing on a 220 engleman, so the 7 tooth really is not a viable option


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:29 PM

Ben,

Where is that 220' Engleman? I love Engleman's!


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:53 PM

RockHill SC... A Chris Dadds '90s version, but is a great track to drive, to me much easier than a non-swoopy king, but at the same time more challenging.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 07:52 PM

A rare find!!

 A genuine pair of 1994 unused PSE mint green 3/32 axle tires! never used... Could these be the ticket for my Lucky 13 entry??? time to break out the Zip Grip :D

These were my favorite tires back then for both Flexi & 15-b racing... As I remember these were a size I really had no use for, but since the raceway owner had special ordered some of this rubber for me, I went ahead & got it along with the rest of my order... Looks perfect for a Thingie!!!

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:09 PM

Trinity has some new formula that is way better than zip grip.  It is #RC6683 "zip grip free" tire treatment.

You put it on in the evening and by morning it has softened the tires up to their greatest possible softness.

Then you can use the zip grip.

 

Try it.  I used it on a set of 45 year old Riggen grey rubber NOS tires and it worked wonders!!!!


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:47 AM

Well I just got some of the zip grip free, will it Keep the rubber soft, or am I going to have to continue applying it every other day???


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:48 AM

Barney Poyner learned a hard lesson about SBR rubber in the Dynamic Challenge, Ben, but only the tire dimensions are specified in the rules.
I have to say that I don't think that a nine tooth pinion is going to be your friend in this either.

I'm very happy to see Jairus and Maximo's car unveiled already. Work on my own is progressing slowly.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:28 AM

Clarification Please......I will go back and review but would like to know soon..

Are angled motor brackets allowed?
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:31 AM

Ben, I am finding that the ZIP GRIP FREE seems to keep my tires soft for up to two weeks at a time.  It seems to work better on Natural rubber than it does for SBR. Or should I say... SBR requires more frequent applications of the treatment to remain soft.

 

It even softens old rubber. I put some of it on a set of old grey Riggen's and after a few applications they felt as good as they did when they were new!


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:47 PM

Can someone please direct me to the page that shows mailing info ?

 

Thanks !

 

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:31 AM

To mail your car to me, Pablo? I'll PM you my address again.

Ray: by 'angled motor brackets' I'm guessing you mean brackets for a hypoid gear mesh where the axis of the motor armature shaft is lower than that of the rear axle? (Cars must be inline only.) I think either Pablo or Mike Zimmerman worked out that it was possible to get the required .062" rear ground clearance with a small amount of motor/axle offset so yes, they can be used to make legal cars.

Please be aware though that the .062" Lucky 13 rear clearance is higher than the .050" 'Retro standard' rear clearance and most Retro motor brackets will be designed to achieve the lower level of clearance with the same .800" x .820" diameter rear tires that we will be using.

I hope I haven't made that sound too complex.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:31 AM

Went to the track last night and ran "Road Warrior" for about 10 hot laps with no deslots at all. Didn't note the times but it really hugs those tight corners and never tipped. Seems more stable than any of my Flexi cars.

On the other hand the rear end slides just a slight bit out running on a set of JK natural rubber running in the white lane. (White and Red were both pretty slick as guys practicing tend to avoid these lanes.)

I am thinking about popping on the JK Treated tires for another test just for fun as I think it might tip then since the treated are slightly more sticky.

On the other hand.... these cars will be running on lots of different track surfaces including clean. So... it's a crap shoot I suppose.

Then I handed the car over to one of the other racers there last night. Steve is his name, and he pounded out about 10 more. He didn't say much other than "That's really quiet" and "Niiiiiiccccceeee".  But he also mentioned that pretty much anybody could pick up the controller and drive it.

And THAT is the sign of a good proxy car!

 

Also, I believe I finally found the chassis I'm building as my next SCRRA Can Am!  :)

 

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:42 AM

Thanks for the info Steve.....
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:00 PM

If it's "more stable than a flexi car" then you are in business !!! <G>
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:46 PM

Jairus, Glad to hear that the "Road Warrior" was running well.My experience with "Treated" tires is that they are "Harder"......
To touch/feel and a durometer. I move up to treated tires when a car is too "Stuck"
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:40 PM

Well, seems I have been WRONG about treated tires. So... suppose I'll true up another set of natural rubber wheels as back up instead of the treated items.

Live and learn...


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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:43 AM

Maybe try a JK natural with a smaller hub.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:49 PM

 If the test track/lane was dusty run a bunch of laps with a different car to clean up the lane before making your race day tire choice.

 

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