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[John Streisguth]

I still believe the PS4002 is a great alternative/option to the FK providing Pro Slot can handle the supply/demand.

It's already known that it's a "hotter" motor than the Puppy Dog, and nowhere near as reliable.

[Ralph Thorne]

Submitted motors must meet the same wind specs of 65 turns, wire size, etc., and must deliver a similar level of performance compared to motors currently on the approved list.

New motor submissions will be accepted until September 1, 2013. Samples of submitted motors will need to be sent to each of the five IRRA™ Board members for inspection and testing.

(posted for the IRRA™ Board by Mike McMasters)

 
Can the IRRA™ BOD share the full specs on the motor? What is the required wire size?
 
If you have six new submissions by September 1, 2013, and they all run the same will they all be approved? Or is it first come first approved?

[NJ Racer]

It's already known that it's a "hotter" motor than the Puppy Dog, and nowhere near as reliable.

The Spec is 65t and the motor is as reliable as the FK and is by far not a one-race motor.

[One_Track_Mind]

Why was only one manufacture of motors notified of the 'unfreezing'??

[John Streisguth]

The Spec is 65t and the motor is as reliable as the FK and is by far not a one-race motor.

No, it's 60t... check the IRRA™ updates. That's why it was not allowed to be run in Can-Am or F1. And plenty of people running them in Stock Car have had them go up in smoke.

[Cheater]

Brian,

 

Your question is based on a false assumption.

 

The vote to open the approved motor list was only conducted yesterday, the same day the announcement was posted.

 

The BoD kept hoping the new Falcon 7 would become available and that unfreezing the motor list would not be necessary.

[One_Track_Mind]

Greg,

 

It clearly states they have already got a motor to be approved.

 

How is that a false assumption??

[Joe Mig]

Unavailability of Falcon 2 motors is why I stopped racing Jail Door for a period. Yeah, SOME people had them, but if the three distributors my local raceway deals with couldn't get them, how does that make them "readily available"?

I do believe there are two other motors that are legal for Jail Door class. I would not let the Falcon 2 hold me from racing the JD cars; they are a fun class.

[John Streisguth]

Joe, the TSRF motor is uncompetitive.  I was the one who pushed for the S7 mini-brute, which seems to be on par with the F2 and much more available.

[Joe Mig]

I agree as I still use the F2 but the next motor I try will be the Mini Brute. So you could still enjoy the JD class.

[Cheater]

It clearly states they have already got a motor to be approved.

What is says, Brian, is this: "Preliminary testing of 65t motors has been conducted at IRRA™ request by Tony P and Trinity, and the company is expected to submit a motor for consideration."

It doesn't say that Trinity has a motor in hand or in production ready to be approved.

As I posted, the vote to open the motor list for new submissions was only made yesterday. Yes, the BoD had been discussing how to address the Falcon 7 motor availability problem, if it didn't get resolved in a timely fashion, but no vote on unfreezing the list was called for until yesterday.

And since you don't manufacture a motor that could possibly be submitted, why is this a concern for you?

[John Streisguth]

I agree as I still use the F2 but the next motor I try will be the Mini Brute. So you could still enjoy the JD class.

Oh, I do... but lately the Retro East races have had so many in attendance that those races have had to be cut. If you notice, I've run quite a few of the JDSC races, when they've been held.

[John Streisguth]

And since you don't manufacture a motor that could possibly be submitted, why is this a concern for you?

Ooo... ooo... ooo... I know! 

[One_Track_Mind]

And since you don't manufacture a motor that could possibly be submitted, why is this a concern for you?

Because!! I own a raceway! And that means I will have to spend more money out to get yet ANOTHER motor into the track!! Duh! Did you forget that part?

[Noose]

Brian, are you spending money now on Falcon 7's?  One of the biggest reasons for opening this up was because of the unavailability of the Falcon 7 for so long. 

[Cheater]

Well, you've not been spending money on the Falcon 7s you couldn't get, right? Just spend that money...

And, honestly, the fact that you might have to spend money to acquire another motor doesn't really support your question: "Why was only one manufacture of motors notified of the 'unfreezing'??"

[One_Track_Mind]

As a matter of fact, Joe yes I have, and did! And still got some left here for our series racing.
And when the new ones arrive I will most likely end up buying them too!!
Make more rules for more motors and then wonder what happened to the raceways.

[Noose]

Well Brian you are one of the lucky ones to have them. Raceways around here have not had them for a long time so they are losing income they could have made for not only retro but for their pother classes. Some have said they have not had success with the Evil 9 / Demon in their other classes and IMO it has a lot to do with over gearing them. 

 

We run the GTC-FK Class routinely and all that has been available has been TSRs.  A lot of guys do not like having to maintain separate pinions and crown gears for them vs. what they did when running Falcons since the rotation is the same as the PDs.

[John Streisguth]

Wouldn't it be better for raceway owners to have motors that can be run in Retro AND flexi cars?  Seems that's much more cost-effective.

[MSwiss]

 This is about a replacement Falcon 7 motor, and the real deal Falcon 7 is suppose to be available any day now according to the announcement everyone got a couple of months ago. If it is indeed the same motor we all know  .......................

We may have had a shortage in the past, but that is the past

Rick,

Which announcement are you talking about ?

 

This one from PDL on Jan. 3rd:

 

The reason is because the Falcon 7 as you know it no longer exists as its supply is exhausted and the remaining inventory is already spoken for. It will by March 1st, be replaced by an upgraded model that will not be SCRRA or IRRA legal.

 

or subsequent ones ?

 

Here's another one from  PDL on April 25th:

 

The motor manufacturer's agent in the USA is trying his best to get the production going, but the manufacturer has been slow to respond.

 

And here's one from you, on June 3rd,  in that Falcon 7 thread:

 

When you get 3 -4 different stories from the vendor, one starts to wonder if anyone is minding the store?.....................

 

So you questioned "what the heck is going on", but 17 days later, you are telling us to be patient.  ?????

 

As far as a shortage in the past, make that plural, (shortages)

 

Sketchy deliveries have been going on with the F7 from day one.

 

That's why JK got the Hawk 7 made.

 

So his RTR business wouldn't come grinding to a halt when the F7's were late, as usual.

[NJ Racer]

I stand corrected on the winds, however you failed to comment on the  60t of 31 for the PS4002 as compared to 65t of 30 and a shorter stack on the FVII/TSR. Perhaps Dan at Pro Slot can produce a 65t/30G version of the 4002.

[W. J. Dougherty]

I know that the BoD will do all the testng necessary to validate all the submissions. 
 
In the meantime, does anyone have comparative lap times for all the motors being considered, including the PS4002?
 
Thanks...

[Joe Mig]

I know Kenny at SAL gets the Falcon 7 and TSR and has them in stock and it never seems to be a problem lately.

[Noose]

Bill: You can look at the RP4 report to see times.

 

In the GTC-FK class it was a TSR used.

 

In the Stock Car Class there were TSRs, Falcon 7s and some PS 4002s. A TSR won and a PS4002 was second.

[MSwiss]

I stand corrected on the winds, however you failed to comment on the  60t of 31 for the PS4002 as compared to 65t of 30 and a shorter stack on the FVII/TSR. Perhaps Dan at ProSlot can produce a 65t/30G version of the 4002.

 

C'mon, Ray. You are comparing apples and oranges.
 
The FK have a totally inferior brush and spring set-up, compared to the Pro Slot.
 
That's the equalizer.
 
If it wasn't, how could the 75t 31 Puppy Dog possibly compete with the 65t 30 Falcon 7?