209 replies to this topic

[Greg VanPeenen]

Do we as a group purchase enough motors to go to a manufacturer and create an IRRA™ specification motor - maybe just a tick faster and with an upgrade in quality to make the group power scatter smaller - could be also an opportunity to finace the IRRA™??

 

How much money you got? 

 
How much money would it take?

[MSwiss]

John,

The motor was never made to IRRA™ specs. The specs came later.
 
The "30 AWG wire" was supplied to the IRRA™ to post, from our previous motor chairman.

[John Miller]

So, what size does a manufacturer submit?  30 AWG or something 90% the diameter of 31 AWG? LOL.

[Cheater]

How much money would it take?

The figure I have heard bandied about is a minimum of $50,000 but don't take that as gospel or the final word.

[MSwiss]

So, what size does a manufacturer submit?  30 AWG or something 90% the diameter of 31 AWG? LOL.

 

If I could find a Falcon 7 , I would send one to my potential vendor in China, and say "Make me one of these."

[John Miller]

This is too much fun!!!  Love it!

[Tim Neja]

GO ahead---jump into the "motor business"!!  And a "tic" faster?? WHY??  The best thing possible would be to get the % of difference between the best/fastest motor and the dogs as low as possible!! BUT---with ANY of our junk little slot car motors--there's a BIG variance in good and bad!! That's why FK motors worked pretty well. Their CHEAP--and have as little a variance as any other motor I've seen.  THe guys that really want to win---no matter WHAT motor class---buy dozens to get 1 or 2 great motors. It doesn't matter if you're talking FK's--or OPEN motors--your still going through lot's of arms / setups to get the "good ones"!! And constant testing arms to find the best ones.  Just relax--let the Falcon 7's get here--and go RACE!!

[Rick]

well, PDL, what is the arrival date these days?.................

[Bernie]

Mike,

I have 2 brand new F7's.... Interested

[Greg VanPeenen]

Greg,

 

I have  motor that I have been playing with to test my retro stuff with out using up a good puppy dog motor. It uses parts from two major players in the slot car world. The motor can be rebuilt and they all seem to run about like a real good Puppy Dog motor. It would retail for less then $25.00. I would be glad to sent one to Mike Swiss to check out If you are interested. It would make a good motor if IRRA wanted to have its own spec motors. 

 

Regards,

Greg VanPeenen

 

The figure I have heard bandied about is a minimum of $50,000 but don't take that as gospel or the final word.

[John Miller]

Mike,

I have 2 brand new F7's.... Interested

 

Or you can add them to the endangered species list. . .

[TSR]

So, what size does a manufacturer submit?  30 AWG or something 90% the diameter of 31 AWG? LOL.
 

 
John,
the only country in the world not using metric sizing as a general rule is the good old USA.
When you order a motor from China, you give them a wire sizing not relying on inches, thumbs, feet, pounds, stones or yards.
Even Pakistan and Bangladesh use the metric system for sizing and weight measurements.
Also when you order, you will need quite a big check because they do not deal in small quantities and if you do not already own the tooling, they will make you pay for it. It USED to be cheap. Try now.

[John Miller]

Agreed.

The IRRA TM would be wise to correct the language in their rule to reflect the correct metric wire size.

[Noose]

John we will be as we have found there are many items we have been supplied in the past  that need to be re-checked.  We have been in the process of doing this for the last couple of months. 

[EdC]

 

If I could find a Falcon 7 , I would send one to my potential vendor in China, and say "Make me one of these."

 

I have some old orange label ones laying around.... want one?

[MSwiss]

Mike,
I have 2 brand new F7's... Interested

  

Or you can add them to the endangered species list...

  

I have some old orange label ones laying around... want one?

 

Bernie,

Can you check to see if one is male and one female?

[Rick]

The only country in the world not using metric sizing as a general rule is the good old USA.
When you order a motor from China, you give them a wire sizing not relying on inches, thumbs, feet, pounds, stones, or yards.
Even Pakistan and Bangladesh use the metric system for sizing and weight measurements.
Also when you order, you will need quite a big check because they do not deal in small quantities and if you do not already own the tooling, they will make you pay for it. It USED to be cheap. Try now.

 
Tooling? it's the same motor they make for dozens, maybe hundreds of application with the same blank, comm, etc. Why would one need tooling charges when they make millions? You are just requesting a certain wire size and  turns...

[Cheater]

Well, PdL, what is the arrival date these days?...

Rick,

Let me address this please.

I asked that very question last Tuesday and on that day, there was no confirmed delivery date known, nor, if I read between the lines, no confirmation of a production run actually having occurred (my assumption). Again let me say that the order being awaited was placed last August, ten months ago!

The IRRA™ BoD felt that it needed to act now to ensure the continuity of IRRA™ Retro racing in the months ahead. And it knew that, no matter what action was taken, the second-guessers would have a field day online and, as can be seen here and elsewhere, they have.

[John Streisguth]

I for one support the decision to explore the possibility of another source of motors.  And just because it is open for submissions does not mean that the board will deem any motors meet the criteria of not being faster than the currently approved ones.  Otherwise the Demon, Evil 9, and Hawk 7 could have been approved long ago.

[Rick]

Let me address this please.

I asked that very question last Tuesday and on that day, there was no confirmed delivery date known, nor, if I read between the lines, no confirmation of a production run actually having occurred (my assumption). Again let me say that the order being awaited was placed last August, ten months ago!

The IRRA™ BoD felt that it needed to act now to ensure the continuity of IRRA™ Retro racing in the months ahead. And it knew that, no matter what action was taken, the second-guessers would have a field day online and, as can be seen here and elsewhere, they have.

 

Greg, assuming all that is true, there is no reason that the F7 should not have been here by now. As the grapevine had it, there were new samples here (early 2013) and did not work out well, sooo, get the F7s back ASAP. Ten months? Someone is not ordering what they say they are ordering. Odd that Trinity can get 65 turn motors made, but PdL can not?
 
But the fact remains, there is an escape valve on the FK motors and that is the TSR, which is here, available, and proven. Why do we need two FK motors for Retro? Maybe this was ploy taken, who knows? who cares? It backfired again!
 
Yes, it will be dicussed, ask questions, lots of questions and keep asking questions until someone comes up with something solid. Ultimately, it's your ball, bat, and ballpark and we will have to live with how you rule.

[MSwiss]

But the fact remains, there is an escape valve on the FK motors and that is the TSR, which is here, available and proven. Why do we need two FK motors for retro?

If you missed it in one of my past posts, the low time TSR D3 is not 100% reliable counting laps, and not just on my King track.

[Cheater]

Rick,

You're going to have to tell everyone how to make the Chinese do what is needed here. If you know how to accomplish that, seems like you might be the only one...

And please keep in mind that IRRA™ is not in the loop insofar as Falcon 7 production is concerned.

[Bernie]

Mike,

I will place them together in a box tonight and see what happens in the morning. Maybe some baby F7s.  

BTW, you are spot on with the TSR D3 motors. They did not count for me at the Sano two years ago and I had to switch to a slower one for the race because it was too late to try another. Will not run a hand-out class with TSR D3 motors again.

Just my experience.

[John Streisguth]

Another satisfied customer...

[Cheater]

Rick,

Tooling wears out, you know, and keeps having to be re-made. If you want something made and don't furnish the tooling, it costs you.