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[John Streisguth]

I stand corrected on the winds, however you failed to comment on the  60t of 31 for the PS4002 as compared to 65t of 30 and a shorter stack on the FVII/TSR. Perhaps Dan at Pro Slot can produce a 65t/30G version of the 4002.

 

Ray, they are completely different motors, as the FK motors have molded neo magnets as well as the other difference you mention.

 

If Dan made a cheaper motor that was the equivalent of the Puppy Dog, what do you think would happen to the sales of the PD motors? No real incentive to buy the PD, right? And I'm pretty sure you would find the Chinese-made arms would have a much wider range of variation from slowest to fastest, so you would end up buying three times as many motors to get a good one that "hopefully" would last. 

 

At least with the FK motors, the few that are fast get thrown away after a few races, so it's "self limiting"; nobody gets to keep a really good one for very long.

[Noose]

I stand corrected on the winds, however you failed to comment on the  60T of 31 for the PS4002 as compared to 65T of 30 and a shorter stack on the FVII/TSR. Perhaps Dan at ProSlot can produce a 65T/30G version of the 4002.

 

Ray, the current PS4002 especially after a refurb is a very fast motor but subject to a short life.  I have seen plenty go up in smoke so far. The only class they are allowed in right now is the Stock Car class. Dan chose to make this version to compete with the F7s and TSRs.   Out of the bag some have had success but many have not. 

[MSwiss]

Ray, the current PS4002 especially after a refurb is a very fast motor but subject to a short life.  I have seen plenty go up in smoke so far. The only class they are allowed in right now is the Stock Car class. Dan chose to make this version to compete with the F7s and TSRs.   Out of the bag some have had success but many have not.

I spoke to Dan personally when I was trying to get to the bottom of the 4002 going from 80t to 60t situation.
 
"Dan chose to make this version to compete with the F7s and TSRs."  should have 

"in model car racing in South America and Europe". added to the comment.

[Gator Bob]

 Maybe, what-if, turn n' burn, cheap seats, cheap motors, frozen motors, hot motors... etc....

 

How about a motor Made in the USA?

 

"Smoke on the water"

[MSwiss]

For an all USA motor, the $51 Puppy Dog could be converted to a $75 motor, albeit a slower one,

since all the good motor brushes are made in the Orient.

[Gator Bob]

I would pay $100 or more if it was made here, sealed, consistent and rebuildable.

 

Personally I don't like china  ... we feed our future enemies.   We can't even make a magnet or a motor brush anymore.

 

Hello Pittman

[MSwiss]

I would pay $100 or more if it was made here, sealed, consistent and rebuildable.

  

They would be worth a $100, if they all ran exactly the same, but that's not possible.

[Noose]

Can the IRRA™ BOD share the full specs on the motor? What is the required wire size?
 
If you have six new submissions by September 1, 2013, and they all run the same will they all be approved? Or is it first come first approved?

 

The specs are on the IRRA™ Website in the Motor Section. It's not a first come first served situation at all. All submitted motors will be tested and checked. If they pass they could be approved. The statement did not set a limit of the submissions.

[TSR]

I stand corrected on the winds, however you failed to comment on the  60T of 31 for the PS4002 as compared to 65T of 30 and a shorter stack on the FVII/TSR. Perhaps Dan at ProSlot can produce a 65T/30G version of the 4002.

 
Ray,

The wire used on the TSR and Falcon 7 motors is a metric size much closer to 31AWG than 30AWG. It is in fact near 90% of the diameter of what is a 31AWG wire.

The new Falcon batch coming on line has no change in the wire size or number of turns or anything that would alter its performance as far as its speed.

[Ralph Thorne]

The specs are on the IRRA™ Website in the Motor Section. It's not a first come first served situation at all. All submitted motors will be tested and checked. If they pass they could be approved. The statement did not set a limit of the submissions.

 
Thanks, Noose.
 
I will go check it out.

[EdC]

Has anyone tried the Hawk 6 with either magnet?

[W. J. Dougherty]

If it's faster than the current Puppy Dog, then I'm sure they aren't interested.

[NJ SpeedZone]

Did we just unfreeze the FK motors or all the motors?

[Noose]

FK Motors only Jay. As the headline reads.

[Rick Davis]

OK Let's see how long till Greg complains about thread drift... :)

Do we as a group purchase enough motors to go to a manufacturer and create an IRRA™ specification motor - maybe just a tick faster and with an upgrade in quality to make the group power scatter smaller - could be also an opportunity to finace the IRRA™??

Discuss, throw rocks.

[TSR]

Rick,

How much money you got? 

[JerseyJohn]

Just my two cents here.

When the F7 was available a lot of Retro East pros 9not me) ran TSRs because they likde the brakes. I liked the F7 because the higher timing suited my driving better.

Also I believe the TSR works better on lower voltage tracks.

So there is a place for them all. Lets open the door and see what happens.

I'm Jersey John and I Support the IRRA™ motor decision.

[NJ Racer]

"The new Falcon batch coming on line".

 
Philippe:
 
Well, one really wonders then why the BoD really has their panties in a bunch this week and are questioning the arrival of these motors to the extent that they have.

[MSwiss]

Has anyone tried the Hawk 6 with either magnet?

 

Only FKs are frozen, but to answer your question, yes, before the freeze.
 
The BoD determined they were a little too superior.

[MSwiss]

Well one really wonders then why the BoD really has their panties in a bunch this week and are questioning the arrival of these motors to the extent that they have.

 

Ray,
 
Because they were originally promised March 1, and it is now June 20.
 
Go back and read all my posts for all the other litany of reasons.

 

Post #45 is a pertinent one.

[EdC]

Hawk 25? Too slow?

 

Any Hawk 7s?

[EdC]

IMHO... Maybe the motor used the day of the race should be what the track owner has in stock?  

 

Wouldn't that benefit the racer and the track at the same time?

[Noose]

Ed,

 

The Hawk 25 is a good rental motor. The Hawk 7 was not deemed similar enough. 

[MSwiss]

maybe just a tick faster and with an upgrade in quality to make the group power scatter smaller

I assume "group power scatter smaller" means "closer to the same speed ".
 
How do you propose we do that?
 
Paying more wouldn't guarantee they will be closer to speed.

[John Miller]

The wire used on the TSR and Falcon 7 motors is a metric size much closer to 31AWG than 30AWG. It is in fact near 90% of the diameter of what is a 31AWG wire.

The new Falcon batch coming on line has no change in the wire size or number of turns or anything that would alter its performance as far as its speed.

 
So, according the the IRRA™ motor rule, the Falcon 7 motor has never complied with the rule and should be illegal, correct?
 
I am not asking you Philippe, I am asking the IRRA™ BoD.
 
Also, how does a manufacturer guess what wire size to submit?  Is the rule 30 AWG or can they submit something close to that size. LOL.