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[MSwiss]

BTW, you are spot on with the TSR D3 motors. They did not count for me at the Sano two years ago and I had to switch to a slower one for the race because it was too late to try another. Will not run a hand-out class with TSR D3 motors again.

Just my experience.

 

Yes, and while guys like you, Dave Crevie, and Rich Attee struggled, someone commented to me, "Yeah, we've had troubles with the TSR D3 counting at our track also".

[The Groove]

Yes, I hate FK motors and I don't think I have run a hand-out race with a FK motor since that race a Chicagoland or any race at all with a FK motor so why not just get rid of them all and just use the Pro Slot Puppy Dog only. Then if your in a race with a lot of track calls you won't have to worry about losing the race because your car didn't roll 30 ft after the track  goes off.

 

FK = F_ _ kin' junk.

[MSwiss]

What do you propose we use for hand-outs?

[Tim Neja]

Hand out Puppy Dogs!! Just gotta charge more for the race!  You're all happy with that motor anyway--so why not just GO with it!!

[NJ SpeedZone]

Fwiw all Fk style motors have trouble counting laps .I'm with Rich Atee 100 percent .All the Chinese motors are junk including The 16d varieties.Nothing will ever produce close racing like an american arm.and we can rebuild them.Fk s are the ugly stepchild of retro.

[EdC]

Id have Pro-slot and Koford make arms that are tagged retro that can fit any of the mini cans.

That wouldn't be so bad now would it? Rebuildable cans in a class that we build chassis for? How nostalgic is that!

[Terry]

 

What do you propose we use for hand-outs?

Hawk 7...The best FK motor made (if there is such a thing).

[The Groove]

If you took the profit you made on a FK handout motor 5 bucks or so and add it to your cost on a puppy dog or maybe a couple of bucks more you would have a great handout motor and a great price and a lot of entries and the shop would still make more money than off a FK because they would sell more.

[Duffy]

Fwiw all Fk style motors have trouble counting laps .I'm with Rich Atee 100 percent .All the Chinese motors are junk including The 16d varieties.Nothing will ever produce close racing like an american arm.and we can rebuild them.Fk s are the ugly stepchild of retro.

 

We'll cycle through this argument forever like a Gypsy with a hurdy-gurdy...

 

But JAY brings up a possible fix: just suppose we ALL went to PS4002bs...would our series-wide rebuild numbers tip the cost downward any appreciable amount? If we can get a reliable refurb for something over a semi-reliable FK new buy, it could be a game changer.

Wha'ya think?

Duf

[Tex]

 

...would our series-wide rebuild numbers tip the cost downward any appreciable amount?

 

 

If we can get a reliable refurb for something over a semi-reliable FK new buy, it could be a game changer.

Wha'ya think?

 

 

I broke it down into 2 parts.

 

If a motor rebuilder begins getting MORE motors to rebuild and, therefore, realizing more income... in this economy, I think he'd probably be grateful for the extra income and not real likely to forego that extra income. Just my guess.

 

A semi-reliable FK costs what?... $11 - $13? How much does a PS refurb cost? It's been quite a while, but Hershman charged something in that range a few years ago when I sent him a couple motors(did I add BB's?). My point being that such parity already exists(new FK vs. PS refurb); so why would anything change?

 

As the dwindling supply of F7's dwindles even further, a tipping point will be reached if no new F7's(comparable) arrive and the Demon and Evil 9 will become the replacement motors because they are already available on the market. If, however, new F7's DO show up and are comparable to the old/current F7's, it'll be business as usual... those that use 'em will and those that don't won't.

[MSwiss]

 

 a tipping point will be reached if no new F7's(comparable) arrive and the Demon and Evil 9 will become the replacement motors because they are already available on the market.

That won't be happening from the IRRA ™.

[Joe Mig]

Hand out Puppy Dogs!! Just gotta charge more for the race!  You're all happy with that motor anyway--so why not just GO with it!!

Some like myself just cannot get the car too work with the PSPD motor and I preferr the TSR/Fal 7 .

[stemmy]

Some like myself just cannot get the car too work with the PSPD motor and I preferr the TSR/Fal 7 .

LOL it's not rocket science.

[John Miller]

How about the mini brute? 

[MSwiss]

 I will place them together in a box tonight and see what happens in the morning. Maybe some baby F7s.  
 

Bernie,

Unless your couple looks sort of like the one below, I wouldn't bother.

 

Whoooa !

 

That gal on the left looks like "she's" been around the block a few times.

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[Wizard Of Iz]

 

If I could find a Falcon 7 , I would send one to my potential vendor in China, and say "Make me one of these."

 

We still have four or five white-label F7's on the wall.  

 

Once the Evil 9 was made legal in My Series, F7 sales died.

[Tex]

That won't be happening from the IRRA ™.

 

That may be, but there's more slot racing out there beyond the IRRA and beyond retro racing in general that has been using F7's.

[MSwiss]

Well, that'll be "their" decision, not ours.

[Rick]

It appears we have all been having our leg pulled about F7's......................

[Gary Adams]

Yes, I hate FK motors and I don't think I have run a hand-out race with a FK motor since that race a Chicagoland or any race at all with a FK motor so why not just get rid of them all and just use the Pro Slot Puppy Dog only. Then if your in a race with a lot of track calls you won't have to worry about losing the race because your car didn't roll 30 ft after the track  goes off.

 

FK = F_ _ kin' junk.

I have to weigh in on Rich's side with his comment. All the FK style motors are crap, IMHO, and I haven't raced one in over two years, and will never again participate in a hand-out motor race unless the hand-out is a 4002 American arm Puppy Dog. I have zero interest in highly questionable quality control standards on the Chinese motors. Dump 'em all, I say.

 

Ed's idea about tagged arms put into rebuildable cans sounds like a great plan to me! Why limit the "Retro" portion of the racing to only chassis building? We all used to build our own motors back in the day, no reason we couldn't do it again! And while I'm on a rant, I would prefer to get back to the real days of competitive slot racing, the "Retro" time period when we tossed aside those worthless inline chassis and built anglewinders that you could actually drive very fast. Those of you out there hankering to go a little bit faster--take your same parts, build an anglewinder, and watch your lap times drop.

 

Anyway, that's my ten cents worth, thanks for listening, and know that no matter where this thing comes out on the other side, I will still be there building and abiding by the rules in place. But maybe it's time the founders of IRRA took a step back and viewed it with a newly critical eye instead of being mired in the land of seven years ago in the parking lot, Times change. People change. And more than just a self-appointed Board of Directors might have some other opinions to contribute. I applaud their efforts, but let's think a little bit more out of the box, guys!

[Tim Neja]

Well Gary---why don't you run "retro pro" then and you can build all the motors and anglewinders you want??  The other Retro class's--Can Am and F-1 as well as Nascars and OH--anglewinder coupes seem to be doing really well.  So now that racing has GROWN again for the first time in the last decade--you want to eliminate the class's that helped that happen? Hmmm- good idea!  
The FK motors are WHY racing grew in the west.  The TSR motors have proven to be as reliable as anything else we've tried.  And from what I've seen with Puppy Dog's--it's back to the same old deal---buy lot's of motors --and lot's of arms--and start searching for the "holy grail" again!  But --to each his own-- I went  through that with Super 16's and 12 motors.  I know one of our Box 12 racers out here recently said he owned over 300 arms --- all in the name of finding great motors to race! But hey--if you can rebuild it--it must be better!!

 

Bottom line is ALL of our motors have wider parameters of performance than we'd like!!! Using $11 motors is just less expensive for us! And it also ensures that someone traveling in for a race has an equal chance of finding a good motor through hand-outs. If you don't like FK motors--just use Puppy Dogs then for hand-outs.  There's LOT'S of class's for racing slot cars where you build your motors--why take away the retro class's that don't??  

[Gary Adams]

Hello Tim. I do run Retro Pro, and I agree that the other classes seem to be just fine. I'm not advocating eliminating any classes. I just gave my opinion on how much the FK motors suck throughout their entire bandwidth. Yes, they're cheap, and you get exactly what you pay for. You guys are happy with the TSR motors, that's great, knock yourselves out! I no longer participate in handout motor classes simply by my choice.

 

If all of you are undyingly happy flogging around those tilting slimy inlines, good on you! We ditched those like they had malaria in 1968 because the simplest anglewinders outperformed them like they were nailed to the track. I'm not proposing elimination of any of the classes. If the rules say inline, I will race inline. I won't be particularly happy about it but hey! inline racing beats no racing. But anglewinder racing is where the true competition lies. Any honest racer from the late sixties will tell you that you can make a good inline, but it's far easier to make a great anglewinder.

 

As I said, press on with your defined classes. I apologize for offending anyone's sensibilities by bucking the status quo and bending the "Spirit Gauge". Enjoy!

[redbackspyder]

Tim, I applaud your remarks .....    You said it eloquently......  Those in other parts of the country are welcome to race whatever they like, and last time I checked, we had more guys , 68 in Can Am , show up at the Parma Checkpoint Cup, than ever before !!!!   Guess Gary just won't be racing with us,   

 

P.S.   Just don't grind a rail, that is Heresy !!!!

[Pappy]

And while I'm on a rant, I would prefer to get back to the real days of competitive slot racing, the "Retro" time period when we tossed aside those worthless inline chassis and built anglewinders that you could actually drive very fast. Those of you out there hankering to go a little bit faster--take your same parts, build an anglewinder, and watch your lap times drop.

Didn't we whoop up on a bunch of anglewinders back in the day, Gary.  

[Steve Deiters]

Hello Tim. I do run Retro Pro, and I agree that the other classes seem to be just fine. I'm not advocating eliminating any classes. I just gave my opinion on how much the FK motors suck throughout their entire bandwidth. Yes, they're cheap, and you get exactly what you pay for. You guys are happy with the TSR motors, that's great, knock yourselves out! I no longer participate in handout motor classes simply by my choice.

 

If all of you are undyingly happy flogging around those tilting slimy inlines, good on you! We ditched those like they had malaria in 1968 because the simplest anglewinders outperformed them like they were nailed to the track. I'm not proposing elimination of any of the classes. If the rules say inline, I will race inline. I won't be particularly happy about it but hey! inline racing beats no racing. But anglewinder racing is where the true competition lies. Any honest racer from the late sixties will tell you that you can make a good inline, but it's far easier to make a great anglewinder.

 

As I said, press on with your defined classes. I apologize for offending anyone's sensibilities by bucking the status quo and bending the "Spirit Gauge". Enjoy!

LMAO.