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#101 Gator Bob

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 07:34 PM

Got this in the mail Monday. . .

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Nice parts !!!

 

Like the NAPA commercial - "All the Right Parts In All the Right Places"

 

I got your message about the confusion about being on the list and am working on a resolution.

Here is my first preliminary mock up. I could have started with all new parts. I decided to go with the Powered By Junk mantra :) With a few exceptions, gears, leads and braids I intend to use all old junk to create my car.

 

Starting with a poorly started AMT '32 coupe with the wrong grille shell, a hacked on Dynamic frame, a rusty Kemtron 6 volter, cut "Grops" on Corben wheels, front drag wheels with bearings etc.

 

I was thinking of hacking the hood to expose those 6 deuces. I will have it tough staying within the 3 1/4" inch rule but I think I can squeeze it. 

 

Before I go any further, is everything here acceptable per the rules? I may just need an extra 1/8" over that 3 1/4". Any objections?

 

 

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Now for a paint scheme. Was thinking all shiny but I may leave everything rusty and crusty and go with Matte black. Easier for me in the long run.

 

Page down and take a look at some of these :heart: Even if you hate drag cars you just can't hate these.

 

http://www.jalopyjou...ad.php?t=499649

Good link ... nice cars. :wub:

Yup ... this looks right :D   http://www.jalopyjou...845&postcount=2

 

Squeeze it in :heat: ... that's why I had to go with the Revell gear and not the first choice 64p Weldun set screw. The Champion/Weldun locking collar version might work. 


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Posted 19 March 2014 - 11:26 AM

New Updates for entries and procedure clarification - click here.

 

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 12:45 PM

Just had to share this image with you guys  :D

 

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 06:06 PM

Thanks for sharing Bob :D :good:

A thing of beauty in a really great shot!

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 01:45 PM

I'm working with Ralph of RTR on the plaque pictures and fonts. 

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Some draft work.......

 

The Gene Husting Memorial

“Rods & Rails” - Vintage Drag Proxy

Participant - May 19, 2014

 

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 03:57 PM

Looking good so far Bob :good: :D



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 04:51 PM

Bob, the plaques look suberb :good:

 

Check out these relics just in today. They smell as good as they look :laugh2:

 

I believe the blue chassis is a Gar Vic. It looks like it's powered by the smaller Ram 222 I think.

 

The rail is another story. I think that's a model train motor in there but I don't know the brand. Not the most beautiful piece of craftsmanship but still has some charm. Check out the unique motor retention method. Have not seen that one before.

 

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 05:02 PM

Thanks for the comps on the plaques!

 

The ingenuity of slot racers is a riot ... I'll just hold the motor in with braid.   :laugh2:   :bomb:

 

I bet they both smell good but only one passes the sniff test.   :heat:   :wacko2:


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 08:48 PM

Talk about vintage Joe!!! :laugh2: gonna get em all renovated? Or leaving the patina? Lol.

Bob & everyone, just out of curiousity what sort of lead wire were they using for these padlock motors/dragsters?

What can we use ?

Thanks :good:

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 12:25 AM

Good component question Paul.

 

For this event:

  • Any vintage or vintage type wire. Example: CHA-226W Champion White Superflex Lead Wire
  • Martex train wire is acceptable. 
  • Black, White, Brown or cloth covered lamp wire, No Clear jacketed. 
  • No silicone jacketed wire allowed.
  • Any AWG allowed.
  • Solid or Stranded conductor.
  • Multi conductor individual jacked allowed.
  • Multi conductor/ multi color Siamese allowed. 

I'll be using 16 AWG Siamese Lamp type wire based on the input request by George Blaha to try it.


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Posted 31 March 2014 - 11:30 AM

Great ! Thanks for the examples Bob :)



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 08:39 PM

Very early beginnings of my "non" rail Dragster :good: :D

 

 

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Working out the basics of the frame & motor bracket in progress, with motor madness waiting in the wings !



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:04 PM

K00L ...   :good:

Paul, Those rear wheels look great? They appear to be Cannon and the pairs I have are still soft and pretty 'fresh', Are those Cannon/BZ ?

BTW: nothing some 'Trinity Traction' juice or a Wintergreen homebrew lotion can't fix to bring back the bite.  

 

Anyone remember back in the day if you had a VW Beetle Kool cigarettes would pay you IIRC $75.00 per month to run their big decals on your street bug?

 

I'm working out a few design "Bugs" on my rail job. :laugh2:  


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:12 PM

They are indeed Cannon rears Bob :good: Not BZ ones just regular Cannon, got the orange & blue header card somewhere .. They came with the 3 eared spinners, German rubber still soft :D

 

Fronts are Mila Miglia jobs that could be awaiting a polish :laugh2: Or may just leave them all dark & patina style :good:

 

Hope you sort the "Bugs" out on your rail :laugh2: :good: Gonna be fabricating a new Kemtron rear motor plate to replace a broken one that I got on the padlock motor from epay...Time to get cutting some brass!



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:33 PM

Paul,

The Mila Miglia fronts.... leave the centers... can be hit with some semi-gloss black or clear (or left as is) and just lay it face down on a 'flat' surface with 400 wet paper and 'polish' the rim edge with light pressure in a figure 8 motion ... or put the axle in a dremal (or drill) and shine the lip that way.

Just sayin ... Should match the rears pretty well. :)

Can't tell from the picture ... If they are the plain center.. not the drilled center Migs... I have those in 5/40 if you want them for a closer match. IIRC they are 10 hole. 


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:38 PM

Thanks for the tips on the Milia's :good:

 

The fronts I have are the drilled hubs :)

 

 

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:43 PM

Perfect ! :D   :victory:


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:44 PM

I need some guidance on the Pittman DC85A-6 ...  :unknw:  :to_become_senile:

 

Posted some questions over --> here. :scratch_one-s_head:


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 11:00 PM

Hope you sort out all the padlock info Bob :good: The info people are sharing is a real big help figuring these things out!!

 

In further developments a couple of Drone shots have surfaced of the Beetle chassis early stages! Along with the early stages of it's motor awaiting either a 6V Pittman or a 3V RAM ... Depending on what gets used on the Rail that's also in development!!

 

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 07:52 PM

Been trying to decide on an optimal gear ratio for this particular car  (inline  with DC85/RAM equivalent & RAM 3V arm) will be using bevel gears & wondering what would be a good sort of ratio?

 

I know reading the links & old mags etc for the sidewinder with large spur gears etc around 2-2.5:1 or 3:1 with the older higher voltage that was run back in the day. Got a 2:1 set of bevel gears and also I think a 3:1 any ideas?

 

Oh and track voltage is 14v ....

 

Thanks :good:

 

Oh and here's some more progress pictures :) Note the very small 20 tooth bevel gear with it's 10 tooth pinion for the 2:1 set... Just wondering if it would launch hard and then run out of steam/gears a short way down the strip :laugh2:

 

Motor now has BB's epoxied in both ends & spins smoother than silk :D got the spacers for the discarded laminations sorted & it's about ready to be buttoned up . Unless I decide to whack on some epoxy & hit it with a heat gun & dust off the RGeo static balancer..... Hmmmmm we will see.

 

 

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 09:25 PM

Paul, it looks like it's coming along very good.
 
I don't have enough experience to give you a gear suggestion but the spec sheet on the Pittman 85A 12v rated version says no load RPM of 11,500 and operating of 8,700. It will 'operate' for so short of an amount of time I would think pushing to 10,500 RPM is what you want as this is the RPM where the HP curve starts to fall of.
 
The 6v would just have to be a guess or there could be some math to come up with and estimate. If you go with the 12v 11,500 RPM# and the scale 1000ft (41.666') and your tire OD you could calculate at the point it would reach peak RPM with a known gearset.
 
The big variables would be the 14.7 track voltage and what voltage rated arm you have. 
The spec sheet says they made them to order from 3v to 28v.  
 
At 2:1 I don't think it would reach max HP/RPM, and as much of a heavyweight as these are I would probably go to the 3:1 gearset you have.


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Posted 14 April 2014 - 09:55 PM

Thanks Bob :good: Building this car has been really fun so far :D It's just got that *good* feeling about it as you put it together .

 

& thank you for the info on RPM etc , will go dig out the 3:1 set that was for another stalled project :laugh2: Can always get more , this Dragster is a much more deserving cause .



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 11:50 AM

Paul, the Bug looks WILD. Love the stance. Not that I know a lot about it but I would test the car first regarding that gear set. I have a feeling those gears may look like an eaten ear of corn if that thing gets any traction :D These motors are very strong like those evil Erector set motors with the exposed gears that would easily remove fingertips :)

 

In any event, I would grind a flat on the axle and try to use two screws in the crown.


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:08 PM

Thanks Joe , totally agree on the stance :D May get slightly altered just to clear the front tires :laugh2: 

 

Once the motor is all bolted up for the last time & fixed to the chassis will definitely check the gears ( found a 35 tooth bevel gear for a 3.5:1 ratio) & how it holds up under stress from the torque monster ! It's gonna be interesting hearing the reports on how all these padlock warriors go off the line & down the strip, cant wait :D :dance3: 



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:40 PM

Paul,

 

3.5 sounds a bit low - I'd still go with the 2:1, or if you want to experiment, I can try to find a 25 or 30 tooth gear in my boxes...

 

Don

 

PS: speaking of Erector Sets and gears...

 

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(I'd send this in to the proxy, but can't afford the postage!)


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:45 PM

:shok: talk about some brutal /hefty  gears Don! :D They are huge!!!



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Posted 15 April 2014 - 01:21 PM

Don, you can use that contraption to grind steak into chop meat :shok: Put a burger on for me :)

 

Here is where I am so far. She ain't too pretty but remember I am using mostly all used stuff to construct it. Still fiddling with fitting the body. The back will be raised just a bit from where it sits now after I devise a body mount.You can see where I used the grey primer as a guide coat to try and get a little better fit on the body panels. Would have been easier if I started with a mint kit but I love to torture myself. Windows received the first coat of tint. The rear wheels have been switched and I am using a set that were glued 40+ years ago by J&J Raceway in Cali. It was the home of many slot drag meets and I thought they would be appropriate here. I am a little concerned about such a short wheelbase. It may not get down the track so good. I will have to see.

 

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 03:16 PM

Joe that looks sooo Kool :D don't worry about the wheelbase, the Bug isn't a long one either .

Can't wait to see all the different rides lined up :)

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 06:55 PM

Looking good Paul!

That body looks veeeeeery familiar, if my memory isn't fading as fast as I think it is.

 

What are we talkin' 'bout?

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 07:05 PM

Funny you should mention it Mikey :D your memory is working fine :good: tis indeed the body obtained from your collection :)

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 11:11 PM

 

 

PS: speaking of Erector Sets and gears...

 

ACmotorchassis.jpg

 

(I'd send this in to the proxy, but can't afford the postage!)

 

:laugh2:  :shok:  Don, That one might not make it through Customs and then you could get a knock on your door.

 

As the man who was probably the most famous slot car racer ever said " hunka, hunka"


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:05 PM

Would have been easier if I started with a mint kit but I love to torture myself.

 

 

 

Yup ... I hear ya Joe !

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 03:02 PM

Extra, Extra! :D

 

For Immediate Release: Generous race prizes are coming - Exhibition cars can join in.

 

Thanks to Bob Steere (a.k.a "Pitt Man") we have some - Minty NOS Pittman DC65A-6 motor prizes. :good:  :good:

 

  :clapping: Anyone else? 

 

The show is wide open for 'Exhibition and Show Cars' but not for competition in the 16 car Padlock Field.

.... Rails, 16D-36D powered vintage, Funny cars, Wheelstanders, Little Red Wagons or Back-up Pick-ups, Stock cars, Street cars, Modern anything, Monster Trucks, Bikes, TV cars (sorry no Rocket cars) etc. 

Please .. Feel free to send it .. we'll run it and get it in pictures and/or video. 

 

The 'Exhibition/Show Cars' will be awarded a DC65A-6 for:

  1. Best Wheelie.
  2. Fastest MPH

Still only 5 bucks per car ... While supply lasts 


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Posted 18 April 2014 - 05:38 PM

Joe Lupo,

 

From your post #107. It was a model train motor by Athearn of CA in the 1950's and early 1960's. Here's one on ebay for sale now. Although they are missing from this unit, there were 4 rubber bands that connected the extending drive shafts to the 4 pair of wheels (wheelsets) of the locomotive.

 

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 07:58 PM

Little bit more messing around and the motor now fits snugly in between the chassis tubing rails :D The bottom 2 motor screws not only bolt the Padlock together

but also bolt the motor solidly into its' mount.

 

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In other developments it's rumored this DC85 with new shiny 6V arm is destined for a rail Dragster..... :D Stainless steel machine screws, epoxied BB's and a visit from the dremel wire wheel & it's pretty much ready to be bolted into the "as yet" to be designed rail ..

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 03:11 AM

Very clever chassis design on the inline Paul, nice job! 

 

Hey Joe, thanks for that photo: I've got a couple of those motors and wondered what they were from... they're sometimes confused with the Lindsay, but maybe that was just one of the motor styles of the time... 

 

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 10:04 AM

Build this two (?) years ago as a fun - project:

 

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:sun_bespectacled:  :)


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 12:57 PM

Paul ... 'loookin good' ..very cool motor mount design.

 

Jens, Nice Rod!


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 02:12 PM

I received a request for a rule 'adjustment' by a confirmed entrant on the overall length from 10.5 inches to 11 inches.

 

Note:

Any valid objections will be considered until 4/23/14, after that the rule will be changed by defaulting to the latitude of the promoters option 

 

Reason for request:

To avoid cutting up an existing rail car.

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 10:56 AM

News notes:

 

More vintage motors coming in as race prizes ... Thanks Mikey D. !

 

Confirmation from Bill Pinch that the local Pro Drag racers and the expert videographer are all lined up and 'good to go'. 

 

 

Are there any objections, questions or comments on the overall length rule change?


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Posted 22 April 2014 - 11:17 AM

No worries or objections on the rule change Bob.. you can't cut up such a nice original Rail :shok: will be great to see it race :good:

This is really shaping up to be an awesome event !!!
*prays the car/s I cobble together work* :laugh2:

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 11:56 AM

It's really all about the show and in remembrance of Gene's contribution to the hobby.

 

Winning is secondary to having some fun. :D

Oh yeah ... winning is fun ... :victory:

 ... and of course popping wheelies too.  :to_become_senile:   :lol:


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Posted 22 April 2014 - 08:17 PM

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 08:55 PM

Bob, that is off the HOOK! :)

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 09:57 PM

Sweet ride Bob !! :D :good: :sun_bespectacled:



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Posted 22 April 2014 - 10:24 PM

That just has an "official" look to it, great job! I wish I had a Studebaker Lark coupe body!!!


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:30 AM

Thanks guys!

 

Talk about polishing a turd with chrome paint .... that body pull is 'absolutely terrible' but I sure like the shape and lines of the car..

 

Really hard to photograph and it does look somewhat better in person.


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 02:03 AM

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 01:36 PM

Hey guys,

 

I prepared my "exhibition" cars for the drags. It had been a few years since they last ran so I ground the tires round again, spray cleaned all the important parts and a re-oiled all the bushings.

 

I'm planning on sending a total of three cars.

 

Here are shots of each for the "car show."

 

First up is my 1940 Chevy truck. Powered by a Pittman DC706. A clunky slug that should run in the low to mid 2's.

 

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Next up is my Beverly Hillbillies truck, nicknamed the "Bodine Brawler." ( you may recall it was actually owned by Jethro's mom Pearl Bodine)  Powered by a wimpy Ninco 1/32 scale motor, should run mid 2's

 

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Lastly is my Backwards Bug. Front motored with a Parma 502 with a driveshaft. This was built for a special bug class we were trying to put together, but it didn't catch on. No wheelie bars allowed, so lots of weight on the front end was necessary.

 

The bug body looked more aerodynamic to me mounted backwards. Should run about 1.4's. The car ran faster with the drop arm taped solid so it stayed that way!

 

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Let the fun begin

 


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 02:43 PM

Nice Bob!

You are a great contributor to this event :good:

I love the 'Back-up-Bug' too  :D

Remember this crowd pleaser: :clapping: :o  :clapping:  :unknw:  :yahoo:  :drinks:  :yes:    :popcorm1:

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