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[SlotStox#53]

Maybe you can find a stash of that Wissh

Often wondered about comm drops,been tempted to use them but I'd imagine that once you use them you can't stop.. almost dirtier than without?

Need one of those little gas tanks and some trumpet oil !

[hiline2]

On one of my many Ebay visits Id seen someone offering some kind of comm  juice, maybe voodoo ? wanting  about $12 / bottle, didnt buy to try (wanted to just missed it). Here's one for ya! when getting cars ready and making sure things ran and in right direction i used good ole organic saliva   to comms and the motors did spin up really well!

 

Oh ! also It would be of great value if those who ran our cars could offer any suggestions for better performance? Tires, weight,

etc.??   (thanks to those who were our "drivers"!!)

 

PS: Mr Gator B, tried sending you a message but system said you cant receive any ???

[Gator Bob]

The Trinity/Epic Turbo Drops were used mostly on RC motors. Those would really pull the juice :wizard:right through the juice.

I was going to try it in my trumpet first but I don't have one.   

 

Paul B, next year -

  No Bodily Fluids or BioHazardous Materials Allowed.

    

 

I didn't juice up any of the cars before or during the race

 

 

.... if you remember That's how I lost ET to the InchBug last year.   

[SlotStox#53]

You lost ET to the Inch bug? Didn't you beat the pinching bug

[Gator Bob]

I remember Bill B. coming up to me to show me your com.. "Here try these drops ... and it took off.

 

Do you have the times/mph?  ..  mine blew off my desk a long time ago. I can't remember the ET/MPH, think the Valiant was much faster top end last year.

 

That's the races on youtube ... LOL

[SlotStox#53]

Ah yes that comm drop moment

Got all 3 runs

The one obviously where the drops were added was:

Bug 1.46 @ 29.80mph valiant 1.48 @ 33.96

Keep watching the video from last year

The Valiant was rapid at the 660 mark, nailed the bug about .4 - .5 on the two runs ,with comm drops the bug clocked 1.135 and valiant 1.200 @ .660 mark..

[BillB]

NEWS FLASH.........

 

Appliance stores all across Florida are having Hugh Scratch and Dent sales this weekend!!!!

Ya'll come in and buy something, ya hear.

 

Now back to our regularly scheduled programing.......

 

Suggestion for the glue problem. How about a few volunteers set up down track to retrieve the cars and clean the tires off on cardboard and then wipe them F&R with a shop towel dampened with Coleman Camp Fuel. Also keep an eye on the track and wipe it down as needed.

 

I sometimes use Voodoo drops on my motors and yes it makes a mess but I've never had any ill effects from using it. I've been running the motors in the Altered, Comp. Coupe and RussKit Unlimited for years on Voodoo, just clean them out with brake cleaner and re-oil the bearings.

 

 

 

 

 

[BillB]

The motor was getting super hot from being over geared, brushes and com were grinding themselves into dust. Drops helped tremendously.

[SlotStox#53]

The motor was getting super hot from being over geared, brushes and com were grinding themselves into dust. Drops helped tremendously.

Still a bunch of comm/brush dust on the endplate ...

[Gator Bob]

Did you come back with a heavy spring?

[SlotStox#53]

Did you come back with a heavy spring?

The new Strombecker motor has the standard factory spring, which is a light to normal tension

[Gator Bob]

Great shots guys ! Thanks The 500 ' s owner is just going nutz over pictures of her car!

Wiggled 3/4 of the track! ? Those rears were lacking grip Or too much weight up front keeping guide in the slot!

One quick question regarding year of build and class rule, the Mrs is liking the standard 32 ford roadsters. No custom work or freaky chassis, no fenders etc,just a sweet rod...would this be fine for the "roadster " class?

 

That's heartwarming news.

 

The balance on the 500 is great, it was 'way better' behaved than expected. Just a little more grip and 'see ya later'

 

Yes on the Roaster class.

[Gator Bob]

Sorry it took me so long to chime in. I was off on a 1/1 racing adventure that was the most bizarre deal I have ever raced in, bar none. For details, check in at http://www.eaglefielddrags.com It is a completely unsanctioned 1/8 mile on an abandoned 127 acre ww2 training base. I'm not a real drag racer but I like to pretend...

 

I'd also like to echo all of Bill B's well written thank-yous. To Bob and Bill and Bill and Don and everybody else who drove or fixed my stuff, it is really appreciated. John H, for coming through with some great arms as always. I hope everyone in Florida had a great time and let's do it again. I have a personal goal that I am working on and it goes like this:

 

We all know of the famous Associated car that is featured here:   http://www.teamassoc.../company_roots/

 

It went .93 for a full quarter on 36v. My goal is simple,I want to equal that time, or at least go under 1 second using only early 1960s technology, meaning primarily alnico magnets, no Mabuchi-style motors, no wheelie bars, and to do it on 16v or less. Needless to say, I have a long ways to go but I gotta try.

 

I share and think it's a great goal with a single Alnico.

It will most likely be done (a .999) next year at 1000ft/14.7v.

I'm sure going to try.

I also think padlock motor cars can be set-up to be dead-consistent and competitive in weekly brackets. Running like 1.2s.

[boxerdog]

Just a few random comments, questions and observations:

 

Paul, I like the '32 fenderless roadster idea lol. Mine seems to go down the track OK, it needs some tuning however, the "straight 8" is still lagging.

 

I am also interested in the "electrical braking" idea; a controlled reverse or shorted braid zone? Would it work in a short area? Would it cause any motor or car issues? It would certainly be a lot neater and cleaner than a pile of Bog!! Maybe something like used on an aircraft carrier (don't think that's too practical). Most likely, all of this stuff has been tried before somewhere???

 

 

So I came up with another crazy idea after I asked Bill if the shutdown was isolated braid....

"Yes"

It's not long enough for dynamic EMF braking ...

First I brought up a fixed low voltage reversal the Then crazy idea of ...... "Brakemen" ... yup guys on the far end with controllers hooked to a power source that is connected with reverse polarity to the track.

The could judge the amount of braking required watching the pass, stopping directly in front of them and lifting before the car goes 'backards'.   

Crazy .. right?

 

Bob, I think you are right on the sub-second runs. My cars seem to ET similarly 1000' @ 14.7v   or 1320' @ 16.1v. In fact, if anyone else is interested, maybe there could be a special plaque or award for the first sub-second run in competition. Is there any interest out there?? As an aside, I can't imagine what 36v would produce, probably a lot of carnage and a host of traction and handling issues.

 

 Award for the first Alnico ... sure!

36 volts must be insane.

 

Comm juice - I don't know what RC guys are doing or if brushed motors are even relevant any more. The model railroad guys seem to be wary of the Radio Shack tuner stuff because the ingredients have changed. I think a certain combination of a cleaner and a lubricant could be helpful because the cleaners seem to suck all of the lubricant out of the brushes. I may try De-Oxit??  There used to be a lot of products available, I remember the Trinity and Revtech as being pretty good. OTOH, some of the real drag guys here use Voodoo for everything, braid, comm, bearings, etc. I am also not sure which brushes are the best, there are Pittmans, Rams, Strombeckers and the replacements you can get from Bowser.

 

 What's a Bowser???

 

Zaps - I do recall that the big dogs sometimes zapped every run with portable battery-powered zappers. These old magnets need a lot of help so if you aren't at least zapping before you mail in your stuff, you probably should be finding someone with a Trik Trax or a Carlisle, or maybe a local magneto repair shop if you can still find one. Anyone using anything else?? I also have an old battery-powered RC zapper but I don't know if it is strong enough or worth a sh*t, but if someone wants to try it, let me know...

 

 

The trick is finding those experienced in one magnet motors.

 

I would love to try the battery powered. Two new 850cca AGM batteries parallel in the truck. Juicy!

 

Anyway, it is a lot of fun to anticipate the next race. I need to check in with the Vallejo guys to see if maybe they are doing a West Coast race this year, and also I'd still  like to see us work toward a consolidated set of reasonable rules we can all endorse, so that the classes are in line.

 

 

Absolutely ... single common simple set of rules. I have some ideas for the foundation.

 

I hope to ship my cars and race on other tracks.

[SlotStox#53]

We have a truck body ready to work on, but that 32 Roadster could still win as there's a lot of work needed on the truck.

As far as brushes go I've found that RAM brushes tend to be harder more abrasive..

None of the team this year we're zapped, the bug with its strombecker based mill had a strong NOS magnet in it. The squished Ford got zapped last year in readiness for last year's race but never got put in a car . All the rest ran with the magnets as they were when the motors were aquired.

Would love a big dog zapper at some point

Roll on that sub one second pass! Time to speak to John again about some arms

[Gator Bob]

Here are the results for the Unlimited class.

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[Gator Bob]

Great post David.

 

I will be back to address it.

[don.siegel]

In fact, I just picked up a rezapper, a homemade job (for Hornby trains) from England, but haven't had a chance to test it yet... didn't want to screw things up a couple days before sending my cars! 

 

So far, I've found that a lot of these old motors hold a magnetic charge surprisingly well, but I've also seen really rezapped motors, and there's a difference! (Rick/DC65X has put some numbers on this in his many threads). 

 

All this talk about Strombecker Destroyers and Devastators has me thinking... I do have a Ram arm sitting around. 

 

And also a Globe or two for that Experimental class.... one of my few memories from the first iteration of our local hobby shop was going in there and hearing an incredible piercing noise from the dragstrip - it was a car with a Globe Screamer! Back when they cost $15 and I probably got an allowance of 50 cents a week, talk about unobtanium! But I still remember the sound. 

 

Don 

 

PS: remind us, what motor in Bill's low ET car?  

[Gator Bob]

Don,

Bill's .938 car has an unidentified R/C arm in a Pitt65 set-up using custom endplates/ R/C endbell and Neo magnet.

[Gator Bob]

Here are the results for the Roadster class.

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[SlotStox#53]

At least you didn't have to chase too many bits of yellow paper for the roadster results

[Gator Bob]

Yes... But the less in a class the harder they are to find even with the ceiling fan off...  

[BillB]

I re-read an article from Rod & Custom 1965 which mentioned the tracks were Formica and used foil Tape for the contact surface, most likely brass. No traction compounds were allowed and Windex was used to clean the track.

 

Don... The arm I used in the unlimited is a pretty heavy wire about #24 I would guess. The stack diameter was to large to fit into the 65's laminations so required turning. Started out at .595" and needed to go down to .535", (diameter of the 65). To help reduce the torque and increase RPM's I turned it down to .520", couldn't go any further or I'd be into the windings. Other then adding bearings no other modifications were made. I was very surprised to see it run .938, Traction was a big factor but it hooked up enough to run the number.

 

After the event was completed and the track was opened to test and tune I made a few passes using regular drag glue. Didn't need much to really hook up and laid down an .862. No MPH recorded but I would say it was in the high 50's. Can't wait to run it on a 1/4 mile at 16V!!!

[Gator Bob]

I git a story.

 

So once upon a proxy race, Paul Bass sent a dragster actually three. This dragster looked great with his aluminum rails and big block power plant. ..."hey...this should run good".

 

So of to stage it went ... hurry start that tree and pull that trigger.... "Uh-Oh... there seems to be Something wrong" 

It's a good thing Doctors Gator and Bad were in the house. The third dragster has a problem that was not obvious. Bill B. and I looked it over very carefully to see if we could see a fix on site. It ran but was really slow. It ether has a dead pole, cold solder joint or magnet issue.

The diagnosis of "Sick Padlock Syndrome" was official.

 

Paul wouldn't be denied a race ... But ... guess what class I put it in ... That's right folks, the 'special race' The 'Wild Dial' class of course.

The slowest 'old bomb' in the house vs. the fastest modern Funny Car in the house. The car known around these here parts as "Bubbles" ...Yup.

Josh Hawes just has it in his blood. Can you imaging sitting there waiting that long and nailing the numbers twice.

WTG Joshua Hawes !!!  That kid is fast!... it was a total 'blast'

We can call him WildChild... No Red-light, No brake-out.

 

And Paul ... Good news, your dragster was 'dead' consistent with those MPH numbers ... LoL

 

Check this out

 

[SlotStox#53]

Wow!! You really had to turn down that armature Bill,at least you managed to tame the torque...

Look forward to seeing that on 16V especially running those glue /testing runs .8 holy smokes !!

Now need someone to make a formica track for the authentic feel.

Talk about consistent dial in/E.T's Bob ......Sweet!!! You ain't kidding he's FAST!

What's in Tha funny car