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[Rick]

Fred, we go back a few years now. You argued for years about following the rules to the letter and I understood exactly the point you were trying to make. Now you are embracing the HR motor, which is proven out of rules spec?? I am puzzled on your change up? I truly understand the popularity of the new motor for all the above mentioned reasons. I have this seen this road followed before, to make the rules meet the product instead of the product meeting the rules. One day the reply is "dems the rulz" then tomorrow it's roll you own?..................

[Samiam]

good luck getting the higher ups to agree on a new class.

Not an entirely new class. Just a change of the allowed motor in an existing but seemingly abandoned class.

 

Sometimes changing one ingredient makes the dish more appealing.

 

Changing the rules shouldn't be too big a deal since the class is not being run as of yet.

[Samiam]

With all the talk about the HR FK motor I thought I would go back and see how the R4/7 GTC FK and PD top 8 performed. Sort of a comparison. The PD lap total was 292.8, the FK was 283.7. Only a 9.1 lap total difference but then it gets unusual. In the GTC PD top 8 there are 5-4.8s, 2-4.7s, and 1-4.6 best lap times. In the GTC FK top 8 there is 5-4.8s and 3-4.9s. Not bad for a $12 motor. In fact the winner of the FK race would have placed 5th in the PD race right behind Matt Bruce.

Fred,

 'Ya killin' me

[stemmy]

We should try it out in one of the summer series races.

[Samiam]

Let's see how much interest there is in the car. Thinking Can-Am bodies.

 

So who's got motor building tips on these Puppies? What air gap for what conditions? Zap the magnets or not?

[Fast Freddie]

Rick, I never once questioned the specs of any of the motors. I accepted the FK motors for the POSs they were. I know because I raced them at Chicks. I also accepted the PD for what it was, an over priced glorified 16D. Do you think the old PARMA 16Ds were any less off in winds? My beef wasn't about the motors it was about one person being given exceptional treatment and no one really cared. Plain and simple the only real reason the HR is under such scrutiny is BECAUSE IT CAN keep up with the PDs. There was no problem when all the other FK and 4002 (80T) motors were not viable. When the 4002 (60T) motor started kicking butt and was found out to be short wound it was rightfully relegated to a different class, but that was 20 turns of wire. How far out is the HR, 1 turn on 1 pole. That's pretty good Q&A for China. How about the PDs, anyone check winds on them? Just to be sure. It's an inexpensive option for new racers and those of us not that much interested in dropping $1000 to find the golden egg. I believe you'll attract more racers when they realize they don't have to spend $55 per motor to compete. Nothing in this world is perfect brother, I would have thought you'd have learned that by now.

[stemmy]

Let's see how much interest there is in the car. Thinking Can-Am bodies.
 
So who's got motor building tips on these Puppies? What air gap for what conditions? Zap the magnets or not?

Sam, have your arms balanced then send me your setup and arm or just send me everything.

[Pappy]

 

Or better? I keep hearing about how guys won't race Retro 'cause they are not allowed to build their own motors. Who knows,Fast Freddie may even participate.

Sam, you hear about them but they are spread out all over the country. I think you'd have a hard time getting enough of them in one place to have a race.

[Pappy]

How far out is the HR, 1 turn on 1 pole. That's pretty good Q&A for China. 

And we don't even know if these people counted right. How many times have you had to count the teeth on a crown or spur gear to get the same answer twice?

[JerseyJohn]

whats funny is MOST of the complaints here about the Rh are a select few. Same on Facebook. Guess what? most of use DONT CARE , We just want to race in our own backyard and have fun doing it...

[Chewy]

Motors, motors, motors, PD, RH, etc. I'm just too tired of all the BS.

So here is how we do it at Retro East™. It's called "FUN" and nobody racing in RE™ cares what motor is run in whose car. When JJ and I run side by side in a heat we shake and hug and say, "Man that was great". Same goes for George, Phil, and all the other guys. When Matt, Ed, Ray or whoever breaks a record, we say, "Great run, way to go".

We all have a fun day until next race when we look forward to having fun again. We race what ever we feel is best for the day.

Stop with the motor BS already, those that run what they run it's their choice whether it be cost, performance, reliability, etc. The board-approved motors are for the racers choice to use. Leave the fun to those that want to follow the rules and race.

Enough is enough. I'm not going to defend my post; I spoke my piece.

[Bernie]

Well said, Jeff.

[Gary Adams]

Agreed, very well said, Jeff!

[Gator Bob]

Greg,
 
We pretty much know where most posters stand on issues... It always comes back to motors, magnets, tires, or gears.
Couldn't all the BS talk about built/un-built motors as well as non-IRRA™ classes be moved to a different topic category or thread. 
 
I would think this topic heading should be more focused on written rules questions, procedures, and the goals of the organization.
 
Wow... am I glad I'm not reading all the 'noise' on Facebook.

[JerseyJohn]

Nothing more to say, Jeff; well done.

Here is to fun racing!!! Ye-ha.

[Gator Bob]

JJ,

Here's lookin at cha.  

Keep in mind some of the big fun happens while you're in R&R mode.  

[slotcarone]

Jeff has said all that needs to be said!!!  Could not agree more!!

[Arne Saknussem]

I also accepted the PD for what it was, an overpriced glorified 16D.      

[Gator Bob]

And little undernourished?

[Gator Bob]

Two questions for the BoD:

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• Can a Parma FCR chassis be cut up and used as a chassis 'kit' as long as final construction meets Chassis rule 3h and 3i?
• Are Parma style square bushings drilled oversize or undrilled legal?

[Noose]

Yes to number 1 question.

Number 2 question: there is no rule on the bushings except what they are made of and of course you must use a minimum 3/32" diameter axle.

[SlotStox#53]

Wondering how does the FCR motor bracket sit with the bracket rules? Is it OK to use because it technically has 3 sides they just aren't connected? Cutting up an FCR would be interesting.

Look forward to seeing your FCRetro Stocker Bob

[Gator Bob]

Joe, Thanks for the quick reply!
 
Paul, the intent is to us a convential Retro-style motor bracket for the FC-Retro 'kit' built.

The square 3/32 bushings up front might have some merit for "MY   DropChassis RearSteer LTO"  (limited production) builds..      

Great play on the FCRetro mix.   

[SlotStox#53]

Ah, I get ya, Bob, makes sense.

Oh and thanks on the FCRetro mix thingy Feel free to use it.

[Guillermo Suar]

A friend built this some time ago. I was easy to put together but not great to race though. It was IRRA™ legal.