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#51 Pablo

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 08:00 AM

The tongue wasn't bent bad at all, just off by a hair, and it wasn't the tongue that was bent, just the chassis.  The photo makes it look a lot worse than it was.

 

40 thou ?  Are you kidding ?  I need to go to Lowes to get a gross of washers :shok: :laugh2:


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Posted 19 August 2014 - 09:59 PM

Speaking to Bill Pinch today there are two top local guys are in line to build and waiting for the 2 kits coming from Mike Swiss. 

 

We hope to see Matt Bowman and Dennis Demole get their kits soon so they can start building.


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 07:10 AM

Here is the car after it's refurb and ready to go race again.

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Need to see if I can get new rear tires in time.
Not sure if there needed as I have no proper experiance with sponges


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 07:39 AM

Bardahl Special looks to be in great shape, Jaaaaaak :)

I see what you did with those lead wires to give the flag some return action and provide enough slack - never seen it done like that - I like it. :good:

What, no air vent for the motor up top ? :shok:  Hope the tape that holds the body doesn't get hot and melt to the driver's derriere :dash2:

If you want help with new rubber, send me a PM ASAP, I can make it happen no problemo but we would need to act soon.


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 09:20 AM

#12 Dean Van Lines is 100% ready and will be mailed tomorrow.

Not sure if my set up for a short flat tri-oval is good, or a mile off. She'll be either really really good:

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or really really bad :)

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 03:56 PM

 

I see what you did with those lead wires to give the flag some return action and provide enough slack - never seen it done like that - I like it. :good:

The lead wire setup like this I have to thank Ray aka Manta Ray for.
He kindly offered to fix some of the issues I and others had seen and was willing to make the fixes for me instead of having it have to ship to Europe and back before the next race was done.
Ray did a fabulous job and I am very greatful for that :victory:


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 05:14 PM

Those red knock-offs don't scare me one bit  :shok: especially the ones that don't even spin :wacko2: ....  :laugh2:


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 05:33 PM

 

I see what you did with those lead wires to give the flag some return action and provide enough slack - never seen it done like that - I like it. :good:

 

I first saw this leadwire arrangement used on retro cars at BPR. I think it was Mill Conroy's idea. :) 


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Posted 21 August 2014 - 11:48 PM

Speaking to Bill Pinch today there are two top local guys are in line to build and waiting for the 2 kits coming from Mike Swiss. 
 
We hope to see Matt Bowman and Dennis Demole get their kits soon so they can start building.

I should have the last component I need on Monday to complete the kits.

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 01:32 PM

I brought the #9 car out for 'show and tell' at Ken's Brandywine Speedway and two more guys are interested in kits.

 

 

Mike,

Please touch base with Bill Pinch on the total count and add one extra body, driver and trim for me in that shipment.

 

 

Thank You!

 

 

Pablo's car is in route to Bill :good:



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Posted 26 August 2014 - 03:39 PM

Bob,
I e-mailed Bill earlier telling him I had kits ready to ship.

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 07:20 PM

Thanks Mike,

 

Bill is closed this week for an out of town vacation but hopefully has access to email and will reply. 



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Posted 26 August 2014 - 07:34 PM

NOTE: There is a testing ban in place.

 

Same as the Rods and Rails events.

 

These cars are not allowed on Bill's oval until the day of the race.

 

Bill is informed.

 

 

Out of town/country guys ... don't think anyone is testing or tuning here to gain an advantage.

You will have just as fair of a shot at the win..


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Posted 26 August 2014 - 08:40 PM

Thanks Mike,
 
Bill is closed this week for an out of town vacation but hopefully has access to email and will reply.

He got back to me with his order.

Thanks.
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Posted 03 September 2014 - 12:37 PM

:good:

 

With the additional kits arriving it looks like we might reach a total of a 14 car field for the event.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 05:25 PM

Rocket is on the run to FL:

 

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:) 


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Posted 04 September 2014 - 05:25 PM

Should have mentioned it but I shipped mine last week.


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Posted 06 September 2014 - 05:24 PM

Thanks for posting your shipments ..... "Participants"!   :hi:

 

:yes3:  I have a new Gator Built chassis on the jig for Kenny Snodgrass and got him a Blue #22 'Tribute' body shell painted also. :good:

 

 

 

 

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 05:36 PM

Bob, will get my box out on Wednesday. John Austin is out of town.

I will be sending cars

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 06:29 PM

Thanks for all your help Ray,  :good:

 

You are a great supporter of and contributor to this proxy series.   :hi:


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Posted 07 September 2014 - 10:06 AM

That Kenny KNOWS the oval at The Raceway!

 

I have a new Gator Built chassis on the jig for Kenny Snodgrass and got him a Blue #22 'Tribute' body shell painted also.   :heart:  :popcorm1:

 

 

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Posted 08 September 2014 - 05:34 PM

You bet Charlie !

 

Kenny will do great as a driver in this proxy. :good:

When we did the 'Proxy Practice" rotation in the 4" FCR race he was fast with every ones truck.

 

L00K :shok:  :clapping:  :D

 

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Posted 12 September 2014 - 08:39 AM

5 Indy Proxy cars from Chicago Area sent yesterday
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Posted 12 September 2014 - 08:53 AM

Please give me a shout when mine arrives.


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Posted 12 September 2014 - 07:53 PM

Rocket is on the run to FL:

 

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:) 

 

The Rocket landed safety here on the Space Coast.

 

Looks good Jens :good:


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Posted 12 September 2014 - 08:05 PM

OK ... question . ? :huh:?  

 

 

If a car is out of spec :unsure: per the original Mike Swiss kit/rule package, like if it is ride height, tire dia., width, wrong gearing, etc.

 

How do you think it should be handled? :sorry:  :big_boss:  :rofl:


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Posted 12 September 2014 - 08:22 PM

Up until now, I think it was run 'AS IS'.  Slot depth was unknown and (?) not adjusted. This race, that item was announced and all should be owner adjusted.  I would hope if a car WAS out of a minor adjustment, it would be adjusted to race fairly.  My car came back from Europe with a broken solder joint that COULD have been fixed, but never was...and I do not know how many races it was raced 'as is'.  Out of spec tech failure and DNF 's are part of racing, but we should rely on a bit of on-site support as well with the proxy.

 

I sent a spare motor - just in case.  I did not get my second set of tires ready, but the used ones were OK unless the Florida sun shrunk them.


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Posted 13 September 2014 - 02:58 AM

I assume that my car did not arrive yet...
Send it a day before Jens did  :pardon:




I think if a car has minor issues like ride height, tire dia., wrong gearing and it can be fixed easily it would be nice to do so.
Possibly naming the issue here and see what the other entrants say on a case by case basis.
Naturally any costs involved would have to go to the car owner/builder.


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Posted 13 September 2014 - 04:42 AM

:dance3:  :victory:  :dance3:  :) 


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Posted 13 September 2014 - 09:41 AM

I reckon you'll just have to cross that bridge if and when the time comes.

I know my car is legal. It doesn't leave the ranch until it is. :sun_bespectacled:


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Posted 13 September 2014 - 10:36 AM

Mine should be legal since it is exactly the same except the reinforcement and straightening. :good:


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Posted 13 September 2014 - 11:23 AM

On a separate note.... I had Ralph Thorne tone down the yellow and shrink the font a little.

 

These are the 'as approved' awards and should be here today or Monday.

 

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Posted 13 September 2014 - 11:55 AM

Oh there is a pretty award...I should have redone the decals after the WD40 incident


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Posted 13 September 2014 - 11:59 AM

Oh there is a pretty award...   :yes:  

 

:rolleyes:   :angel:


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Posted 14 September 2014 - 01:15 PM

5 Indy Proxy cars from Chicago Area sent yesterday
Due on Saturday
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These cars are here !


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 03:29 PM

Kenny got this chassis, finished out the car and has it 'dialed-in' with many hours of testing and tuning at Brandywine. :heat:

Sits at 113 grams.

The #22 Tribute car will be a contender. :good:


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 04:46 PM

So ehm my car still did not arrive yet? .


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Posted 18 September 2014 - 03:06 PM

So ehm my car still did not arrive yet? .

 

:D  :good: It's here ! :heat:


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Posted 18 September 2014 - 03:39 PM

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :sun_bespectacled: 

God I hate the snail system...I need to send things a month in advance to have a 50/50% to be on time lol.


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Posted 18 September 2014 - 07:45 PM

Below is the official rule set for this race.

 

 

At a minimum all the cars will be checked for the items shown in bold and a visual on the approved parts list.

 

All cars will race unless a 'hazardous" car

 

Cars that are not in compliance with the rules and cannot be corrected in a timely manner with materials on hand using reasonable efforts by those skilled in the trade will be subject to post race penalties. Note: There are only two new full sets of tires left in stock as of yesterday.

 

 

  • Tech inspection, on track test laps and Qualifying will be done Tomorrow 9/19.
  • A total of 12 cars will be on site.
  • Kenny Snodgrass with qualify all the cars on the lane of his choice.
  • Tech inspection crew is Charlie, Bill and Bob.
  • We have a great list of Pro Drivers for race time. If there is 'good in your car' these guys will find it.
  • Designated drivers get a "Participant" Box Plaque (while supply lasts)
  • Charlie will handle the race day coverage, race reporting and video.
  • Kenny will be setting up a display of some of his dads racing trophies and memorabilia.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AAA/USAC Indy Car Rules

Parts must include;

  1. C/R .010" lexan Kurtis Indy body
  2. One only stock, JK Falcon II motor (may not be squeezed, timing or bearings may not be adjusted/modified)
  3. One only JK D321 "straight" motor bracket. (see below)
  4. C/R .042" spring steel guide tongue (see below)
  5. Protrack #400 3/32" axle fronts (see below)
  6. Protrack N241 1/8" axle rears (see below)
  7. ARP 48 P 8T solder on pinion (must remain stock)
  8. Parma 48P 30T King crown gear (must remain stock)
  9. Parma 70222 Blade guide (one only and blade not shortened)
  10. Koford M418 1/8" rear axle (may be shortened and flats installed, maximum of 3, maximum of .375" wide)
  11. 1 pair only, Champion 709 3/16" dia. x 1/8" ID, rear oilite bushings ( 1/4" dia. equivalent)
  12. C/R 2MM motor screws ( or equivalent size,  American or Metric machine size, or self-tapping)

 Chassis design is unlimited except;

  1. Stock bracket must be used, with FII motor screwed into the bracket, in the stock position. With the large dia. tires, the bracket may be angled down.  The only brass that can be removed is from reaming of the bearing holes, either to 7/32", for an axle tube, or 1/4", for direct installation of 1/4" OD bushings.
  2.  C/R guide tongue must be used, either stock or trimmed.  No additional guide tongues may be used.
  3. Max chassis width is 1.400". (note body tapers in front)
  4. No part of chassis or guide shoe may be seen from above, other than axle tubes/axle spacers, axle tube bracing, axle bracing,  rear bushings and wheel keepers.
  5. None of the above can extend more than .172" from the C/L of the F & R axles.
  6. Axle uprights must not  be visible from above.  IE-no A arm style chassis
  7. Front wheels may rotate independently on a fixed or rotating front axle.  Metal on the front wheels must remain stock. IE-bushings can not be installed.  Front wheels may rotate in an axle tube or in bushings.  Front wheel set screws may be removed.
  8. Ball bearings are prohibited in the whole car.
  9. 3.875" wheelbase, + or - .032"
  10. No guide lead restrictions, other than guide may not be seen from above.
  11. Chassis and body must have .050" minimum clearance, front to rear, measured with guide NOT on block.
  12. Tires 1.000” minimum dia. on front and rear tires.
  • Fronts- .375" minimum width
  • Rears- .375" minimum width, ..575" maximum width

13. F & R maximum overall width- 3.125" 

14. Body must be painted, with a minimum of 3 numbers.  Body must  be trimmed at cut line, + or -, .032".  Body must installed on 15. chassis with the axles in the approx. stock mounting position, as indicated by the mold marks in the body. C/L of front axle can not be any further back than 1.180" from furthest forward part of body.

16. No minimum weight required, but 100+ G recommended.

 

 

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Here is the Qualifying Order.

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 10:30 PM

Here is the Qualifying order.

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 05:45 AM

:)

 

May be :help: is needed concernig the tires of #1 Rocket. Had no chance to change them. :cray: Will pay for expences immideately.

 

:wave:


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 02:32 PM

Hi Jens :wave:

 

If your tires are 1" or more and your clearance is .050 or more you're fine. :good:

If tires are too small or ride height is too low you 'rang in' first and will get one of the 'rare' sets of tires if needed. :i-m_so_happy:


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 04:55 PM

Oh Shizzz ringelading... My tire was close to 1" but was over it...do sponges shrink?
If so I might need a pair if there are any left.


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 08:30 PM

I hope that meant "the order in which they will qualify", not "the order they qualified in"   :laugh2:

 

Sounds like some guys already know their tech results, how is that possible ?  :shok:


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 09:05 PM

I had the pleasure to drive two of the entries tonite. I drove Matt Boman's entry and the orange #9 car (who built that car). I was surprised how well both cars drove. I think that its going to be an interesting race tomorrow.


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 09:52 PM

Just got back from the track :swoon: .... Tech and Qualifying is complete.

 

Full rundown results to follow... :popcorm1:

 

 

Doc, You were right on!   :good:

 

Pablo, Yes that is how the cars lined up to qualify. :acute:


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Posted 19 September 2014 - 11:34 PM

Data compiled ... Downloading pics....

Here is a group shot. First thing we did before they all 'got tore up' in qualifying.  :tease:   :laugh2:

 

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 11:37 PM

I'm guessing the pace car is a Hurst Olds 442 or a Javelin ?


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 12:52 AM

I'm guessing the pace car is a Hurst Olds 442 or a Javelin ?

story here -> Prototype Hurst/Olds Toronado 

 

A 1966 pacing a 1955/57 field would make it a futuristic "GM Dreamcar" :lazy:

 

I was really surprised how well it ran, it's a full hypoid set-up and was very drivable. The FT16D stock motor was new with no time on it, might get a little more speed when it's broken in.

Anyway.... It was just for display and track prep parade laps..... Wheeeeeee :roflmao:  :to_become_senile:


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