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Posted 20 September 2014 - 01:36 AM

Very cool pace car...... :good:


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 02:45 AM

  • Qualified at 12 volts.
  • A total of 40 seconds per car. 10 to feel it out and 30 to see what its got.
  • Kenny ran all the cars on orange in the order shown above.
  • Tech went basically very quick and smooth with the tools all set.
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The track was loose for most everyone but the TQ'er.

The tires were cleaned with Trinity Monster Juice on cars that had 'bad dry' tires .. Jaak, Jens and like 3 others that were marginal were cleaned with lighter fluid. 

 

No big hits or wall shots at all. Only a fast rolling wheel center here and there.... :wacko2:  :laugh2: .

Jens spun a pinion (zing) 10 seconds into the run, clock was stopped, car repaired and back on for 30.

 

I had a keeper (forgot solder) come off the RF and (thump) loose the wheel at about 8-12 seconds in....

Kenny ran the crap out of it on 3 wheels :crazy:  and it stayed in.   :sarcastic_hand:

 

Other than that cars from like 8 on back were evil and wicked loose and spinning the whole chute, 2 thru 7 progressively loose in the kink and spinning up the tires putting the power down getting front straight. 

 

Matt Boman killed the field by -0.112, built his own chassis, just finished it today and went straight to the track.

 

WTG Matt, you built a great car in a short time and put it to the field. 

 

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Matt's Pole Winning car:

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Built as an .055  .047 two rail, full shaker plate, LF free, RF locked to axle in tube.

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Edited by Gator Bob, 11 January 2015 - 04:14 AM.
Correction - Wire Dia.

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Posted 20 September 2014 - 09:44 AM

Matt Boman being TQ is not a surprise. I drove only two cars, but Matt's was well planted and was very smooth. I have never seen a proxy race; its going to be interesting.


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 10:25 AM

I'm bringing microfiber to shine the cars for their photo shoot... :good:  Drivers - wear your lucky racing outfits :shok:


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 10:50 AM

To come in first you first have to come in!

 

Only 9 cars faster then mine!!

 

:laugh2: :crazy: :nea:


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 11:43 AM

Who is Matt Boman? He's not a name I'm familiar with. His chassis first looks simple, until you really look it over. :)  Is he a local racer or from some other location?


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 12:04 PM

Matt is a local Pro, a Raceway.biz (RWB) home tracker.

 

He wins in everything here in Florida from Womps to Gr12.


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 12:14 PM

Most all of these cars have been sitting around a long time (in tire years) waiting for an event. 

In retrospect ... this would have been a good scenario for day of race hand out spec tires.

 

I learned something :rolleyes:  


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 02:12 PM

Me too Bob...wish I had gotten new tires but thought they should be ok.

Looking forward to the race and how it goes, would be cool if someone filmed it for a bit just to get the feeling :dance3: 

And feedback on what is good and wrong on the build  :victory:


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 02:49 PM

What is the approximate time of the race ?


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 03:31 PM

Bob, thanks for the info on Matt.


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 03:57 PM

I forgot to thank you for all your effort Bob, Thank you! :good:


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 09:12 PM

Results are in!

The Matt Boman Entry Wins!

 

Everyone .... everyone had fun. Big turn out. Tons of fun for all. Southern Short Track style.  :yu:  :yu:   :good: :friends:  :popcorm1:  :drinks:

The drivers enjoyed challenge of the varied handling of these cars.  :ok:

 

Considerable Carnage... 

Front Axle, guide post, hub centers, headers even a driver exited his car during the race. :shok:

:ph34r: Good thing Tony Stewart wasn't on the track :lol: 

 

Charlie is doing the compiling of pics, video and story text. 

Full story coming soon.

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Got Oval? Some of the best in the business. Left to Right:

Lee Fish, Bob Rondione, Terry Tawny, Kenny Snodgrass, Thomas Holland, Dennis Demole, Steve Bowman, Matt Boman.

 

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Posted 20 September 2014 - 10:50 PM

Did the drivers stay on a particular lane and the cars changed lanes, or were the drivers assigned "their car" and stick with that car through 8 lanes ?


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 10:51 PM

Proxy Racing is all about the cars - however they don't move without human intervention.  Congrats to all the proxy contestants, thank you for joining the fun tonight!

 

We were all honored to play with your toy cars.  Each one had a personality - they all were awesome and ran fast!  Full Story and images soon.

 

Please take a moment to think about people - Kenny made his dad real proud tonight.  Ray Snodgrass was a great man, I hope he is getting the internet as he rests in peace...

 

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Posted 20 September 2014 - 11:36 PM

All drivers stayed put in their respective lane, the cars moved.  This track liked the center shaker of the #8M, Gator is going to have to tell you the details.  I was standing there when Matt told us - the center brass section floats/shakes - .063 brass weighs something like 20 grams, and the .063 piece in front of it weighs too.  Not much brass to the rear but most all the weight is low on the brass plates. (paraphrased) Also, the fronts did something, stiffer on one side, help Gator!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 03:42 AM

So basically my car was the slowest of them all  :sarcastic_hand: 

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated on what is wrong.
Is it the chassis design? where the tires just that bad? was it the motor that had no more oomph..bad luck.

Love to hear more!
 


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Posted 21 September 2014 - 05:14 AM

One of my best results in proxy - races ever! :wacko2: 

 

Thanks a lot to all made this event happen!!

 

Where will be the next round?

 

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 06:17 AM

I saw the cars run a heat before I had to leave and it was tires for most of them. No traction.

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 09:10 AM

I'm waiting for the video to upload to youtube, then will send everything to Gator Bob to review and post up...while we're waiting -

 

"No Doc, you can't see my secret weapon chassis!"  :o  :shok:  :laugh2:

 

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 10:40 AM

Charlie, It was great meeting you yesterday during the proxy race. Hope to see you at the GRRR event this coming Saturday. Come on over even if you do not intend to race. Hope to see you there.

 

There was a question about who Matt Boman is. Matt has been a very long time slot car racer in Florida. He runs in the flexi MySeries series in Florida and some of our GRRR events. Matt and I are teammates for the endurance races these last four months of 2014 in MySeries. He is an outstanding driver and competitor. He owns Group 12 in Florida being series champion.


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Posted 21 September 2014 - 11:57 AM

Slot Car Racing is Alive and Well in East Central Florida!

By Charlie McCullough, Coastal Angler Magazine

 

 Melbourne, FL – Twelve 1/24 scale Indy Roadster slot cars from around the world converged at the Raceway.biz on September 20, 2014 for a proxy-driven memorial race to honor local automotive racing enthusiast Ray Snodgrass.  Times have changed since the slot car craze in 1966-1967.  Technology now provides the ability for folks to share information globally, in seconds.  The Slotblog.net internet forum for slot cars connects today’s slot car folks, many of whom continue enjoying this intriguing sport some 50 years later…

 

 Bob ‘Gator Bob’ Israelite organized and managed the event for friend Kenny Snodgrass’ father who recently passed away.  The Raceway.biz track owner Bill Pinch directed the race with the power set a 11 volts, on the tricky 8-lane tri-oval track.  

 

  Ray’s wife Shelby, Kenny’s wife Millie, grandson Scott and great grandson Ethan helped set a memorial table displaying Ray’s stock car racing trophies and picture albums for everyone to enjoy.   

 

 Some of the best slot racers in Florida agreed to drive – Lee Fish, Bob Rondione, Terry Tawny, Kenny Snodgrass, Thomas Holland, Dennis Demole, Steve Bowman, and Matt Boman.  Interestingly, in this proxy race drivers remained in their respective lane, the cars rotated among drivers taking a turn in each lane to determine most laps for the win. 

 

Drivers interviewed following the race commented how much fun they had and asked how soon another event like this would be coming to The Raceway.  “I think the biggest challenge was trying to get used to the different cars handling aspects, and keep them on the track pushing as many laps as the car could take”, said Terry Tawney, “Ya Charlie, some of them would get sideways.”  Dennis Demole commented his challenge, “Driving these loose cars, especially #15, was the hard part.  Switching the cars on different lanes was a very fun deal – more fun than I thought it would be.” 

 

Local Pro racer and proxy entrant Matt Bowman really helped with the cars.  Pre-race tire conditioning, noticing a broken solder joint (Gator Bob repaired), checking guide ride height, and adjusting all the cars for gear mesh and overall tuning improved the times logged in qualifying.  These local experienced slot racers kept a close eye on the cars as they drove each one, and a few cars were repaired under green light, then back on the track before the heat ended.

 

Official Results:

1st place: Matt Boman’s white #8M Harbor City Express Car

2nd Place: Rick Davis’ blue #2 Empire Racing Car

3rd Place: Kenny Snodgrass’ blue #22 Ray Snodgrass Tribute Car

Best Appearing: #22 Ray Snodgrass Tribute Car

Best Appearing runner-up: John Austin’s #72 Wynn’s Car

 

To see full race reports, images, video and comments from car owners and drivers, visit http://slotblog.net/...roxy-discussion.

 

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Pre-Race Tire Conditioning:

 

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Pre-Race Repairs:

 

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Starting Lineup:

 

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Up the Skirt Image:

 

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'Peoples choice' concours judging:

 

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Congrats Kenny - Concourse Winner and Runner-Up John Austin:

 

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Ray's Family - wife Shelby, Kenny’s wife Millie, grandson Scott and great grandson Ethan

 

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Podium Cars:

 

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Last but not Least - Final Segment Video:

 

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be

 

:thank_you2: Thank you for allowing me the honor of documenting this memorable event!...Charlie   :bye:



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Posted 21 September 2014 - 04:46 PM

Charlie, awesome article and pictures. This event got first rate coverage.


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Posted 21 September 2014 - 05:30 PM

We should continue this delicious event!

 

Next race in NY/NJ?

 

:victory:  :clapping: ;-)


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Posted 21 September 2014 - 07:12 PM

:clapping:

Congrats to all entrants, and the podium winners.

 

Looks like a fun time.

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 09:41 PM

I have a long list of thanks ...

First to the twenty four proxy "Participant" plaque holders  ... y'all made it happen. Brave Entrants, Great Drivers, Dedicated volunteer staff of marshals and reporters. 

Bill Pinch didn't get a plaque but did a wonderful job keeping this event (and us) all 'on track'.

Mike Swiss for the car kits and concept promo and Ray Price for providing logistics.

 

 

"How the Race was Run"

 

  • Track voltage lowered to 11v, qualifying was done at 12 volts.
  • This race was run Round Robin with 5th thru 12th starting first and the top 4 qualifiers rotated in bottom up 4,3,2,1.  
  • We ran a 'casual practice no-race/race' at 30 seconds power on for everyone to get a 'test ride' of every flavor variety of car and understand the whole 'car moves and the driver stays' concept.
  • Then we ran the main at 1.5 minutes on, 'game on' .... procedurally it went smooth, on track there was fast action and the expected oval carnage could actually have been worse.

We don't run 'Natural' rubber tires on the oval, I don't know if the 'foam' rubber laid down had everyone skating until the natural rubber got built up.



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Posted 22 September 2014 - 12:26 AM

Official Race Statistics.

 

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 01:36 AM

We should continue this delicious event!

 

Next race in NY/NJ?

 

:victory:  :clapping: ;-)

 

Sorry Jens .... The cars will need to go back to their respective or selected shop for repairs.

 

Locals asked 'where do they go next, I'll send mine, can we do it again, maybe I'll build one too' :friends:  :yahoo:

 

Lets do another oval :clapping:

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 06:48 AM

Up and away to the next oval!!

 

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:22 AM

I always save a nice one in the baitwell, just in case...The Carnage:

 

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I was rooting for the Dean Van Lines car, alas the guide nut came unbuttoned.  I voted concourse for the Wynns car and her front came unbuttoned.  I guess the media should stay neutral. :sarcastic_hand:   Loved the fu-man-chu mustache on the Evil Bucks driver.


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 11:32 AM

Track conditions: The track was NOT sprayglued?..?

I would have put on fresh tires...glad I did not mount the soft wonder that works so well with our yankee hardbodies.


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 12:28 PM

I always save a nice one in the baitwell, just in case...The Carnage:

 

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I was rooting for the Dean Van Lines car, alas the guide nut came unbuttoned.  I voted concourse for the Wynns car and her front came unbuttoned.  I guess the media should stay neutral. :sarcastic_hand:   Loved the fu-man-chu mustache on the Evil Bucks driver.

 

He will have to shave it off before the next event ... don't jinx him... LOL

 

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 01:18 PM

Racers,

Track was not spray glued for this event.

I think it turned out to be a pretty close race considering all the variables.

 

Track was loose but look at the big gains made by cars that were near impossible to drive in qualifying.

Some of the cars had 'very dry' tires and we worked on them.

 

Compare the Q time to the Fast lap.

In the race the whole field was separated by .22 sec. That's a pretty good race for 12 cars.

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 01:33 PM

Heya Bob,

I think you may have missed my post, Just to be sure when I get it back I would love to know where I can improve.

this is the main reason I do proxies it is to improve my skills.

I have no track to test these on and all clubs in my area race on plastic Hardbody nearly stock cars and all on rubber or urethane so my sponge knowledge is also zero,( I am building my own 3 lane routed track as we speak)
 

I am extremely interested in the whole retro / brass chassis scene but have no way of learning anything from others except for what is written on forums,

as you know there is not much information given on what works what not and what is best.

I asked in post #117:
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated on what is wrong.
Is it the chassis design? where the tires just that bad? was it the motor that had no more oomph..bad luck.

Love to hear more!
  


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 02:17 PM

Seeing how according to Tony P., all the cars were extremely loose, a spray glue touch up should have been in order! These cars ran 2 complete races at Swiss's and did not have traction problems.


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 02:33 PM

This photo didn't make the story, but now I can share it...group shot not the best quality image, lighting is everything

 

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 04:11 PM

Very sympathic people on the picture! May be 500 years of experience!! :D  :victory: 

 

It was and is a real pleasure! Thanks again!!


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 04:34 PM

Jaak,

I award you for entering this (and other proxies) without having any support locally or experience with these kinds of tires. I didn't drive the cars but I can say that your tires condition would make it very difficult to say if your chassis design was ok or would work.

 

Your skills are much better now, I saw the recent Jail Door Thingy.

 

The only chassis that 'really worked' in both qualifying and in the race was Matt's. A full shaker pan/center plate, flexi style.


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 05:36 PM

Thanks Bob,

If there will be a next round I will put ultra fresh tires on it and send it in seal bag.
I understand that not much can be felt or seen when the car has no traction...contemplated getting new spongies but thought they where still ok.  :dash2: 

If the next round would have a concourse I will do the body again but this time do it right....first time no decal setting solution and they just broke off.
Second time around they looked fantastic until I got the bright idea of spraying some WD40 on the body to make it shine more...found out decals and WD40 don't mix :pardon: 

Yeah the Jaildoor is doing much better then I expected as it is competing with "full race design" angle winders... I chose for more show and Inline.
Thank you for the compliment.

More Jaildoors coming soon to a forum near you  :victory: 
 


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:05 PM

Thanks to the organizers and drivers for putting on the show.  Hope everyone learned something for another event.

I know that I added about 5 grams of bracing and left hand ballast to mine.  One question  or two that we should have asked about the track is 1)length of straight, 2)std glue condition. 

 

I had in mind a (?) similar ogivlie 55 ft trioval around Chicago, so I kept my smaller OD tires hoping that would make the effective gear ratio better.  My usual practice for many ovals is to put a new tire on the right to improve the stagger with the inside tire being smaller  Pictures did not look like the track I had in mind.  We usually use one camen medium to a qt of naptha to glue a track.

 

My experience with the retros is happy cars weigh 110 - 118 grams.  Lots of banking can be lighter and lots of flat turns can be heavier.  Rick, Bob A,  and Dave's cars were heavier, but made great times.  Sliding weights should work, but most work better with much less the 1/8" of movement...more like less than 1/16".....  Gear area mass may be better than more centered between the axles.


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 07:22 PM

As far as "looseness" of the track, they sure looked like they were scooting around pretty fast in the video !

Everybody ran the same track.  I'd rather have looseness than too sticky and have them tilting at every corner.

 

Next time I won't trim my flag post so short ! Lesson learned, my post was fine until the addition of spacers to allow for 30 thou braid recess.  I'm happy just knowing my car handled well and was competitive.  

 

Jaak it's real hard to give advice on miniature cars long distance, however, I will make you a proposal, as long as the car is already here in the US, have it sent to me along with mine instead of going home.  I'll examine it in detail and tell you every single thing I think you could improve, then send it back to you.


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 11:01 PM

I'm waiting for the video to upload to youtube, then will send everything to Gator Bob to review and post up...while we're waiting -

 

"No Doc, you can't see my secret weapon chassis!"  :o  :shok:  :laugh2:

 

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No secrets under there :spiteful: ... LOL

 

Doc was trying to figure out 'who built that unmarked chassis :scratch_one-s_head:, tony, Bob .... or Bill?'

 

Look ... tony didn't want to say nothin'.

Will the real builder please stand up. :clapping:  :laugh2: 

 

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Posted 22 September 2014 - 11:06 PM

 

 

I had in mind a (?) similar ogivlie 55 ft trioval around Chicago, .... 

TRACK picture? ... can this cars run there?


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 11:09 PM

What do the "**" double asterisks mean in post 133 ?

 

Any close up pictures of my special Pablo oilite ball bearings ?  :laugh2:  :sarcastic_hand:


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 11:13 PM

Any close up pictures of my special Pablo oilite ball bearings ?  :laugh2:  :sarcastic_hand:

Only the one you sent me .... :rolleyes:  


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 11:14 PM

I've already seen that one  :laugh2:


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 11:18 PM

Those are TinBall Bushings  :laugh2:


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 11:20 PM

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 12:21 AM

What do the "**" double asterisks mean in post 133 ?

 

 

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 12:50 AM

Aha.  Thanks.

I'd feel guilty, if I hadn't finished dead last  :laugh2:

On the undersized rubber, lesson learned for all of us, rubber is subject to a lot of temperature and humidity changes in the course of shipping.

For some reason it always results in shrinkage, not expansion. Next time I'll probably set my car up for about 1.015


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