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Posted 24 August 2015 - 10:03 AM

Here's Rodney's reply, Paul:

 

Rick,
 
The "Germans" used on the dragster are from you (same as pictured above). Thanks again. 
 
Rears are Russkit "drag wheels" (not the "road wheels" pictured).
 
The mag frame has unflanged ball bearings installed in the front. They are located in a useless position. I installed the drop axle front end to raise the axle location for normal size front tires.
 
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Posted 24 August 2015 - 11:29 PM

Very cool!

 

From my experience having a drop arm up stop is important for consistent passes on braided tracks. Probably not need when they were run on foil tape BITD.

 

Will we be seeing any of these cars in the 3rd Annual 'Rods & Rails' proxy?


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Posted 25 August 2015 - 05:42 AM

Thank you, Rodney. When will apprentice classes start!! :)


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Posted 06 October 2015 - 04:32 PM

Rodney's acquired one of the coolest vintage rails I can imagine. Here's the story from Rodney's email:

 

Rick, Ron and Dee,

 

I restored the idler gear dragster from Johnny McCall.  Thanks Johnny for selling this one.  Before and after pictures are enclosed. 

 

(Before Restoration Picture)

 

d3.jpg

 

The Rod & Custom pictures are from an October 1966 issue.  As the caption states, idler-geared cars places the Ram 850 motor forward and allows for a narrow tread (narrow rear track)..

 

idier gear dragster2.jpg

 

In restoring the car I borrowed some rear wheels/tires from another dragster.  Set screw Russkit wheels replaced the threaded wheels.  I agree with Ron, that drag racers used set screw wheels back in the 1960's.

 

The front ride height was raised.  The nose was on the deck and the lower body work was arching against the track braid..

 

A rear gear cover was made.  There were epoxy marks showing the size of the missing cover.

 

(After Restoration Picture)

 

idler gear dragster1.jpg

 

More pictures  to follow showing the details and construction of the dragster.

 

Way cool Rodney. Looking forward to more on this beauty...Thanks!


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Posted 06 October 2015 - 04:55 PM

So that's who I was bidding against!! :dash2:


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Posted 06 October 2015 - 05:06 PM

Was it on eBay? I didn't even see it... and I look every day.  :wacko2: :laugh2:


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Posted 06 October 2015 - 06:24 PM

Yes it was on epay Rick :good:

Had it in the watch list but was ending when I didn't have enough cash :laugh2:

Question is .... how does it go now after Rodney worked his :wizard: ??

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Posted 06 October 2015 - 06:52 PM

 

Yes it was on epay Rick :good:

 

OK, I guess I was "asleep at the wheel" :crazy: But actually, I'm glad Rodney's got it.

 

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Question is .... how does it go now after Rodney worked his :wizard: ??

 

Rodney is going to give us that info after it's restored maiden voyage. Watch this space :)


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Posted 06 October 2015 - 07:03 PM

This is just the perfect combination of parts and design that make it a super example of a magwinder :D

Mag rails, hot motor, sweet idler gear setup and those oh so rare Speedway ball bearing fronts :heart:

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Posted 07 October 2015 - 04:31 AM

Amen! Beautiful rail and restoration job. I didn't see it on ebay either, and I wonder if this is one of the auctions that doesn't appear in international markets (like the BZ Chappy). Or was it classified under modern? 

 

Anyway, must not have been a lot of the idler gear setups at the time...

 

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Posted 08 October 2015 - 05:30 AM

Here is the listing plus other one with it :

http://www.ebay.com/...=p2047675.l2557

 

 

http://www.ebay.com/...=p2047675.l2557


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Posted 08 October 2015 - 10:36 AM

Thanks Paul. I see it was listed in 1970 to now category, why I don't know but.......... :unknw:


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Posted 11 October 2015 - 11:08 AM

I received an email and pictures from Rodney with more detail information on the idler gear dragster"

 

Rick, Ron, Dee, and Jerry,

 

Pictures attached comparing the idler-gear dragster to the Fred dragster.

 

dragsters side.jpg

 

Notice overall they are about the same size.

 

dragsterstop measured.jpg

 

The front and rear track are narrower with the idler-gear dragster.  Note how far forward the Ram motor is in the idler-gear car.

 

dragstersbottom measured.jpg

 

The gear guard is a work of art like the rest of the car.  As Dee stated in the Proxy race coverage, the idle-gear dragster is epoxied together.

 

dragstergearguard.jpg

 

The motor brush spring on the idler-gear dragster is very stiff and is for a higher voltage than what we run now.

 

1966 was the year when the Cox quick change guide was introduced.  The idler-gear dragster features a quick change guide that is directly mounted to the drop arm.  The guide does not turn!

 

dragsterguide.jpg

 

The Weldon gears are 27 teeth to 64 teeth and 41 teeth to 52 teeth.  This results in a three-to-one gear ratio.  Perfect.

 

dragstergears.jpg

 

dragstergears2.jpg

 

 

Rodney and Ron both believe this is the same car as seen in the Car Model Magazine October 1967 article.  :shok: What a cool find Rodney!   :good:  Compare the magazine photo with the car:

 

Dragsterarticle.jpg

 

I'm a believer too! :sun_bespectacled:

 

The idler-gear dragster weighs an ounce less than the Fred dragster.  The magazine states the four gear idler-gear dragster was not as quick as the conventional two geared dragsters. 


idler gear dragster1.jpg

 

My opinion is the idler gear dragster does allow less nose weight hence less overall weight.  As Ron told me, the motors have so much torque that adding more weight to make the slot car dragster hook up better results in a lower E.T. even if there is more weight to drag around.  The conventional two gear dragsters probably hook up better than the idler-gear ones due to more rear weight bias. 

 

dragsters front.jpg

 

Also, as I told Rick, having the four gear idler-gear sidewinder motor armature spinning in the opposite direction from a two gear sidewinder motor armature probably makes the front end light due to the torque reaction of the motor.

 

It is an honor to be the caretaker of these pieces of slot car history.

 

dragsters side.jpg

 

We're all lucky Rodney that you care enough to lovingly restore, preserve and share these wonderful cars.   Thank you  :victory:


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Posted 11 October 2015 - 11:15 AM

They look awesome together :D

Thanks for sharing with us and keeping such beauties alive & running. Definitely the holy grail of vintage slot dragsters :heart:

One day there maybe some magnesium sheet obtained to do a recreation... maybe ...

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Posted 12 October 2015 - 10:24 AM

Fantastic !  I almost had it !! :shok:  :dash2:


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Posted 12 October 2015 - 10:40 AM

Here's Rodney's track test results from yesterday:

 

dragster at Eddie's.jpg

 
With not the best track conditions, I was getting 1.40 E T and 37 mph with the idler-gear dragster.  The track batteries were a little low.  Gary's bracket racer was .2 seconds slower than usual today.  Track picture attached.
 
If the idler-gear dragster motor was set up for 16 volts (much less motor brush tension) and with more battery power, I think the E.T. would still hit a wall at about 1.3 second times.  The mph would go up though.
 
The idler-gear dragster does not hook up off the line as good as the Fred dragster does.  There does not seem to be as much weight transfer off the line. Gear friction with four gears probably hurts acceleration but all of the gears help the dragster stop quickly.  The idler-gear dragster tracks absolutely straight.
 
Thanks for the update Rodney

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Posted 12 October 2015 - 10:55 AM

Rick,
Any idea if Rodney has any interest on his car running on higher voltage?

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Posted 12 October 2015 - 01:34 PM

Hi Mike,

 

I know I'd like to see it run at higher voltage. :crazy:  But if I owned it, I might be reluctant to risk it. It is a piece of magazine documented slot car history. Rodney reads all posts so we'll see what he thinks......


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Posted 12 October 2015 - 01:38 PM

NBD.

I'll have up to 30V and approx. 40 ft. of shutdown.

Is stopping these cars a problem?

If so, I wouldn't risk it.

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Posted 12 October 2015 - 01:59 PM

 

Is stopping these cars a problem?

 

It's more than a problem, it almost impossible! My 1.4 second Cobra shown below after it sailed through the glue trap and buried itself in towels and other stuff to try and stop these cars:

 

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Posted 12 October 2015 - 02:40 PM

Rick,
Any idea if Rodney has any interest on his car running on higher voltage?

 

Here's Rodneys response Mike:

 

Thanks for your Mike.  I am happy running the vintage dragsters on 16.2 volts.As Ron and I discussed yesterday, it is safer to run the Ram and Pittman motors on 16.2 volts than the higher voltages used back in the day.  I have only a couple of spare Ram 6 volt armatures and no spare 3 volt armatures. The idler-gear car uses a 6 volt armature.  Most dragsters back then used 6 volt Ram armatures.
 
The January 1967 Rod & Custom magazine article written by Gene Husting and Arnold Brownstein describe running the dragsters on higher voltages.  One of the points of interest in the article is the law of diminishing returns holds true regarding running on higher voltages.
Gene ran Arnold's Ram powered magwinder dragster with the following results:
 
24 volts  1.30 ET
 
30 volts  1.25 ET
 
36 volts  1.22 ET
 
36 volts armature blew
 
36 volts with a Husting prepared motor 1.15 ET
 
The "Fred" dragster turned 1.247 ET at 44.39 mph during the proxy race last year.  This is with near perfect track conditions.  Not bad for a measured 16.1 volt run.
 
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Posted 12 October 2015 - 03:01 PM

No problem.

I wasn't sure how rare the motor parts were.

How long is the shutdown at Eddie's?

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Posted 12 October 2015 - 07:38 PM

 

How long is the shutdown at Eddie's?

 

Without measuring, Ron thinks it's 35 feet Mike.


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Posted 12 October 2015 - 07:54 PM

Then I wouldn't want to do it, no matter what.

It sounds like the vintage rubber doesn't get "grabbed" by the glue.

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Posted 12 October 2015 - 08:21 PM

I imagine the vintage cars are heavier too. My King Cobra weight a ton!


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Posted 13 October 2015 - 08:32 AM

No intent to wander off here but thought this photo I just saw on FB of some Padlock rails would be interesting, no more detail then this photo so far to share, "Fred" was the owner at a Swap Meet with these recently.

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 08:37 PM

Rodney's latest dragster project:

 

Rick, how about a 1/32 mag dragster from 042 magnesium?

 

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Wiith the Dremal, I cut betwwen 1/2' to 3/4 inch at a time.  Dremel set at low speed and a little cut at a time to allow for cooling. Also safety glasses, 3M particle dust mask and the shop vac running...

 

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RVM magnesium wheels and German tires from Rick are used.  Wheels will be polished.

 

132 mag dragstewr tires.jpg

 

Mock up of 1/32 mag dragster

 

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The finished the 1/32 magnesium dragster on the track. Aluminum body and Cox driver figure.  Aluminum body epoxied to the frame rails.

 

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Here's a view of the underside:

 

132 mag dragster bottom.jpg

 

1/24 verses 1/32 comparison picture.

 

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Way cool Rodney! Thanks for sharing. :victory:


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Posted 26 October 2015 - 11:24 AM

Here's Rodney's track report on the 1/32 scale mag winder:

 

Ron and I got the drag strip display up and running again!
 
Update on the 1/32 mag dragster.  Time shown for the 1/32 mag dragster is with only the first 3' of the track cleaned of tire goop. The dragster had lots of nose weight added to plow through the glue.  Also used my road race controller to roll the car off the line.  With a clean track probably .3 seconds faster. 
 
Colman fuel used for cleaning the rack is now illegal to buy in California so I will be conserving the Colman fuel.  Eric thinks there is an environmentally friendlier track cleaner.  We will look into this...
 
mag d1.jpg
 
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That's fast, especially for a "little guy"!  Thanks Rodney

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 09:48 PM

Here's Rodney's latest drag racer in his own words:

 

Rick,

 

I am working on a Mustang using one of Ron's resin bodies.  The resin body is a model of a real car called Phony Pony:

 

Mustang Funny Car- (8).JPG

 

I always wanted to build one of these Mustangs since I saw one in Car Model Magazine back in the 60's. Here's the Car Model magazine cover:

 

Mustang Funny Car- (1).JPG

 

I copied a dragster frame some one built as a model.  The Mustang is about 1 1/4" shorter (wheel base) than the dragster:

 

Mustang Funny Car- (6).JPG

 

Got new decals in the mail yesterday.  I just applied them:

 

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With decals made with an Alps printer the Mr. Clear may have thinners that are too strong.  I used good old Testers lacquer on the sides of the Mustang:

 

Mustang Funny Car- (12).JPG

 

 

Ran the Mustang at Eddie's today. Some wheel spin off the line with the Mustang.  Lower grip glue conditions today (which I like).  Glue board or wider tires would have helped.  Tires used are 5/16" wide:

 

Mustang Funny Car- (13).JPG

 

Times attached.  Great fun.  Single magnet Group 20 motor really screamed:

 

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Beautiful car Rodney, thanks for sharing it with us :)


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Posted 24 February 2016 - 06:05 PM

Here's the latest build from Rodney's workshop, in his words:

 

Rick,
 
After a couple of years, I completed the Pro Mod Camaro slot car. I never built a modern drag race slot car until recently. Thanks for building tips from Ron and Gary.
 
pm4.jpg
 
pm3.jpg
 
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I ran it at Eddie's today with an old road race Group 12 motor and a quad magnet Group 20 motor. 
 
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With the group 12 motor the times were 1.30 at 46 MPH.
 
ca4.jpg
 
With the Group 20 motor, times are shown (low 1.1s at 58 MPH). 
 
ca3.jpg
 
The first run with the group 20 motor resulted in one of the rear tires coming loose. No problems with the second set of tires. 
 
ca8.jpg
 
The car is very consistent. The simple chassis when screwed to the body forms a very stiff platform with no flex. The wheelie bar is set up with the car assembled. 
 
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The group 20 motor really screams.  Gearing is 10 to 58.
 
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The drag strip run off glue was not stopping faster cars so the old towel trick was employed.
 
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Next up, Pro Stock Cuda
 
Thanks, Rodney!  :)

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Posted 26 February 2016 - 02:12 PM

Love the Pro mod Camaro.  :D

Some serious detail work going on! First time I've seen a modern slot dragster with a screwed-on body.

Great job and thanks for sharing, Rick and Rodney.  :good:



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Posted 26 February 2016 - 02:59 PM

Really dig the vintage drag cars...

 

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Posted 28 February 2016 - 02:48 PM

Thanks guys. Here's another Camaro from Rodney. This time it's a street-strip version:

 

Gary talked about building a slot car of an early street car Chevy hot rod for driving on the road course.  This got me to finishing another slot car project I started a while ago. 

 

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For the drag strip, the mufflers unbolt easily.

 

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 The removable air cleaner is shown also.

 

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If I had a zillion dollars, I would like to build a real car like this slot car Camaro.

 

Me too Rodney, me too! Thanks for sharing!


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Posted 28 February 2016 - 10:02 PM

That is one snazzy rear differential !


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Posted 01 March 2016 - 11:22 AM

Here's Rodney's update on the Street-Strip Camaro on the drag strip:

 

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The Camaro slot car was built to emulate a street/strip car. So a lower powered Falcon 7 motor was chosen to power the car verses using a faster S16 motor.   
 
On the drag strip, the Falcon 7 powered Camaro was launched off the starting line by gradually applying  power using my road race controller.  This launch technique is needed with the Camaro since the Camaro is neither  slip joint chassis car or a wheelie bar car or a long wheel base car.  The slip joint chassis Barracuda could be hammered off the line.
 
There was more tire glue on the strip than last week (I got 1.0 second E.T. runs with the pro mod Camaro today).  I brought along two compounds of Pro Track drag tires to try.  The harder of the two compounds worked better with the heavier tire glue conditions.  The hard compound tires had had  a whopping  .2 seconds faster E.T. times than the softer tires. The harder compound tires do not load up as much glue as the regular drag race tires.  Cleaning the tires after every run and rolling on a very slight amount of glue resulted the best runs.
 
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The Camaro drove nicely on the road course.  There was no rear tire hop even the soft compound drag race tires.
 
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Posted 04 March 2016 - 05:23 PM

My brother had the same car in 1968. Z28 Bronze with Hooker Headers and traction bars........4:56 gears.  He raced Howie's 427 Vette on up to about 100MPH on 164Th St in Flushing Queens NYC.  I was riding with Howie and we just beat my brother by about half a car length before reason prevailed :heat:  Howie had a 427 with Tri Power but had disconnected all but one carb to save on gas. Sunoco 260 was more that .30 cents a gallon! :laugh2:


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Posted 07 March 2016 - 11:04 AM

Fred, why am I not surprised that it was Howie at the wheel of that Vette :laugh2:

 

Here's another of Rodney's latest projects. It's a pair of Pro Stockers:

 

Rick and Jerry,
 
I made a pro stock Cuda with no wheelie bars.  The chassis is a short version of a slip joint chassis.  Powered by a road race X12 motor.  I tried a Super Wasp motor, but as Eric said, not enough power to go through the track glue.  The Super Wasp turned 1.9s.  The X12 turned 1.5s.
 
The Cuda looks like a real pro stock car off of the staring line.  The whole body raises up off of the suspension.  No "60 foot" times registered with this car.
 
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I just completed a Dodge Challenger pro stock car.  The motor is located forward and a drive shaft is used.  There is so much traction on modern drag strips.  Without wheelie bars, cars want to pop wheelies.  The front mounted motor should keep the nose down.
 
I also revised the chassis on the Barracuda.  More movement was added to the slip joint chassis and new front wheels were added.
 
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Here's the latest track test done yesterday at Eddie's:
 
Today at Eddie's:
 
The slip joint chassis Cuda turned 1.443 E.T. at 44.01 MPH.  Times varied between 1.4 to 1.6 E.T..  I piled on more lead weight on the front of the chassis to make it run more consistently.  There is a lot of lead on the nose of this car.  This car is powered by an old road race group 12 motor.  Both compounds of drag race tires worked about the same on this car. 
 
The front motor Challenger needed the hard compound tires to push through the track glue.  The soft tires really bogged down the S16D motor.  This car is very consistent.  I ran three 1.62 E.T. in a row.  Some lead was added to the front to keep the nose down.
 
Conclusions:
I wonder if short wheel base slip joint chassis cars really work at all.  The chassis has a lot of slip joint movement.  I had to pile so much lead on the front of the car. to make it work. 
 
The front motor car works well and is very consistent.  I will build a group 12 powered front motor pro stock car next.  We will see if the additional power provided by the group 12 motor will work as well as the lower powered Falcon front motor car. 
 
I really like these early pro stock cars.  They look great going down the drag strip.
 
Thanks Rodney! :)

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Posted 07 March 2016 - 01:08 PM

Totally love the Cuda and Challenger :D
They really have the look :heart:

Always wondered how slip joint chassis work & still can't totally grasp it :laugh2: Wonder if they'd work with a padlock? Hmmm.

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Posted 08 March 2016 - 12:48 PM

How well is the weight transfer on the    "The front motor Challenger"     ?

 

I dont see any ballast of any kind on the rear axle.


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Posted 09 March 2016 - 10:08 PM

Hi Paul,

 

Here's Rodney's response:

 

The front motor Challenger slot car has great rear tire traction.  The car works a little better with hard compound drag race tires.  Lead was added to the front to keep the nose down and for the car to register at the "60 foot" mark.  Picture attached showing how much lead was added to the front.  The front motor car I am currently building has the motor located even further forward.
 
Thanks,
 
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Posted 21 March 2016 - 11:34 AM

Here are some of the cars Rodney ran at Eddie's last Sunday for us to drool over: :dance3:
 
Today  Eddie's
 
More pro stock action.  Anglia gasser.  Wire wheels on the Talbot Lago.  Wing Car Dragster!
 
Pro Stock:
 
The MOTOWN MISSLE and Sox & Martin cars have front motor chassis.  I finished detailing the Camaro.  I revised the slip joint chassis in the Rod Shop Cuda (not shown) and it really works.    The rear suspension/chassis has over 1/4" of travel.  More on this another day.
 
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Anglia:
 
The Anglia gasser is made from a broken steel chassis.  I need to build a motor for this car.  The stock Parma S16D motor is slow.
 
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Talbot Lago:
 
I picked up some Russkit wire wheels at last week's model car swap meet.  The wheels came from the same seller I bought the Talbot body from last year.  Go figure.
 
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For more on this car check out post #74 here:
 
 
Spotted, wing car dragster:
 
I saw the wildest slot car drag racer today.  A wing car bodied dragster.
 
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This car turned consistent .618 E.T. at about 78 mph
I have seen runs of .8 and .9 but never .6  Wow!
 
The builder originally had a funny car body on it but the car would not hook up  the horsepower.  So he mounted the wing car body.  Very clever.

At 78mph, the car does not stop in the glue.
 
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Great stuff Rodney, THANKS! :D

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 01:10 PM

You weren't kidding about drool worthy cars Rick :D :good:

Rodney certainly has got building the Pro Stock cars down to a fine art, they look amazing. Love the sound of the slip joint cars as I've only heard of those in the top fuel dragsters & will look into how make them.

That wing car dragster is soooo cool :D begs the question as what the heck is in that motor !? :shok:

As for those Russkit wire wheels, will have to look out for a set as they'd be perfect to finish off a period car :heart: Just like getting hold of those Lola rims they did.

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 12:39 PM

Hi Paul,

 

 

That wing car dragster is soooo cool :D begs the question as what the heck is in that motor !? :shok:

 
Wing car dragster motor:  Koford Hawk 19 Motor with Group 20 Arm
 

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Posted 28 March 2016 - 05:14 PM

Here's a follow up on the "Wing Car Dragster" motor:

 

Rick,

 

I met Mike the owner of the wing car dragster.  Mike bought the drag motor that is in the car used.  We took a look at the motor and the motor has a 25 single Koford short armature installed.  The motor also has neo magnets installed.

 

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Posted 28 March 2016 - 05:47 PM

Thanks for the update Rodney & Rick :good:

Sounds a mighty powerful little mill :D

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 09:02 PM

Here's the latest Dragster from Rodney:

 

The vintage "Canopy Dragster" that was entered in the V-Town Rumble proxy drag race has been restored.  Thanks to Ron, I am the new caretaker of the dragster.  This car was in the same collection as the "idler gear" dragster.

 

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The car was disassembled and all parts were cleaned up and polished.  There are 37 magnet laminations per side on the Ram 857 motor.  Each lamination was sanded down to remove rust and then each was hand polished.
 
The chassis rails are magnesium.  Lemon juice was used to remove the deep oxidation.  Simichrome polish was used on the magnesium and aluminum parts.  A new drop arm was constructed and a period correct Cox guide was used.  The engineering and workmanship of the chassis is evident when reassembling the car.  Each component fits in perfectly to the chassis.
 
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The front wheels were replace with new ones (originals deeply corroded).  The rear tires were trued.
 
I do not have the plastic engine for the car so I made a simple removable aluminum body for the front of the dragster.  The canopy was polished and partially repainted.
 
I noticed the motor was set up for running on 24 volts with a very heavy motor brush spring.  The car probably would have been faster at the proxy race with a lighter spring.
 
Very cool Rodney........thanks!

 


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:29 AM

Wow, more than cool Rodney - outstanding! 

 

Love that "pinion in the can" semi-magwinder setup... don't think I've seen that elsewhere. What kind of times was it running? Seems like a short gear ratio too (high numerical) - was it doing wheelies? 

 

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 07:56 AM

WOW !!  Ok a little stray, V-town proxy race ? where did I miss that ??  :shok:

 

Oh !  the one back in 2014 maybe ? :dash2:


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 10:29 AM

Here are the links to the 2014 proxy.......fun time!:

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Posted 16 March 2017 - 11:06 PM

That canopy mag rail car is fantastic :D

Such a great freshen up of a unique rail... :heart: Love how much the endplates are lightened!! Pinion inside the plate is neat *noted* for a future build.

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