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#26 Tim Neja

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Posted 13 February 2015 - 07:00 PM

Wow... who'da thunk - common sense wins out!!! Yea!! :) :)


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Posted 13 February 2015 - 09:58 PM

A big atta-boy. Well, to the BoD and to those that debated the issue without being belligerent.


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Posted 13 February 2015 - 10:22 PM

Just so folks understand how much work goes into the BoD's deliberations behind the scenes, may I point out that in the main thread in our private boardroom where these new body rules were debated and discussed (there were a couple of other threads where the topic was raised), there are 339 posts since Jan 28... with just five guys posting!


And your point is...? LOL
 

The BoD pretty much lives with constant reminders of that old adage: "no good deed goes unpunished".

 
And... don't forget - good builders "leave no stone unturned". ;)


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Posted 13 February 2015 - 10:30 PM

How about a link and price of the spirit gage to be used? I would like to have one in my tool box.

 
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Posted 14 February 2015 - 04:27 AM

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 08:47 AM

And your point is...? LOL


It would be inaccurate for racers to think that the BoD makes snap or off-the-cuff rulings.
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Posted 14 February 2015 - 11:34 AM

Just so folks understand how much work goes into the BoD's deliberations behind the scenes, may I point out that in the main thread in our private boardroom where these new body rules were debated and discussed (there were a couple of other threads where the topic was raised), there are 339 posts since Jan 28... with just five guys posting!

 
I'm not certain that is something to be boasting of. After 339 posts of private discussion you guys needed to change the original decision after hearing from a few racers. Maybe you guys (BoD) should consider comments from the racers during the rule collaborating process, and have fewer silo decisions.

 

I edited my post back to the original wording.  It appears that Cheater does not understand the difference between "solo" and "silo". Cheater, school yourself and look up "silo decision making". You may learn something.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 11:48 AM

You're assuming without a shred of evidence that "comments from the racers" were not considered, John. And that assumption is incorrect.

 

The point is this: if the BoD doesn't always get it right, or doesn't get it right the first time, it isn't for lack of trying.

 

Where's your displeasure with the parties whose actions led to the body rules having to be amended?


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 11:51 AM

I was going to ask, 'Why the approximate area', but now I understand it... a little better. 

I feel this rule will make the racing that much better. Great work... as always..

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 12:01 PM

No displeasure, Cheater, but in the end you guys did nothing. The rule really did not change anything. Much ado about nothing.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 12:06 PM

Well, John, if you run legal and have run legal bodies then for you it may be much ado about nothing.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 12:19 PM

I disagree, John.

 

What this discussion showed is that a rash decision made by a few because of a few can be forced towards common sense when it affects the right people. No one was told go race somewhere else if you don't agree with the senseless rule put forth. I vaguely remember receiving those remarks.

 

Now that common sense has prevailed the new rule should be easy to comply with. Let's just hope no creative racers try taping the nose, which is what I do. There should be at least three points of measurement on the top and they should be points that aren't usually taped, just saying.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 12:47 PM

The rule really did not change anything. Much ado about nothing.

 
I disagree.

The .008" dimension on top gives the racer, who isn't always the original purchaser, a reference to see if they have a legal body. 

Especially useful now with the strong market for used cars, and that O/S is pulling .007" bodies to run in the RETRO series.

Speaking of which, any idea why an org that purports to be racer friendly, would allow .007" bodies? One race bodies that are hard to marshal seems to be the antithesis of "racer friendly".
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Posted 14 February 2015 - 01:08 PM

Speaking of which, any idea why an org that purports to be racer friendly, would allow .007" bodies? One race bodies that are hard to marshal seems to be the antithesis of "racer friendly".

 
I don't know, Mike. Why don't you ask them directly, just like I ask the IRRA t'em direct questions.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 01:17 PM

It was a rhetorical question.

Regardless, even if it wasn't, since the "Mike Iles, where are my prepaid bodies" thing, whatever Ron calls their chat room, is now a closed group.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 01:18 PM

John, no reason to. They have their rules and we have ours. We also don't have someone winning by 13 laps.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 01:25 PM

What does any of this have to do with another organization anyway? I didn't reference another group in any of my comments, but it always seems to go there.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 01:27 PM

You didn't have to and and I am not dumb.

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 01:37 PM

Joe, will you now begin to measure every customer's body intended for IRRA® racing before you paint it?
 
Also, a question out of curiosity: Does the clear Lexan need to be .008" on the top before you will paint it or will you add paint for rule thickness compliance?


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 01:44 PM

John, it is not my responsibility to police where the bodies I paint are used. If they want me to do that I surely will.

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 01:45 PM

Read the rule, John.

 

And also read the footnote I stated (post #21).


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 01:54 PM

Have you asked all the other body painters the same question or did you just want to make it an issue with me?

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:05 PM

Joe,

 

It was just a question for you and how you will personally proceed with the new rule. JK and O/S pull .007" bodies, and I was told that a select few have .007" Parma bodies. I have not seen them though...

 

I understand that the rule is to keep out the .007" bodies, but with paint .007" bodies can be made to be compliant. This is why I think the rule change is going to do very little. It's just the way I see it.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:16 PM

John, get real. An .007" body will not be able to be made compliant. There is no way.

But you go right along with that thought and welcome to tech.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:19 PM

John,

 

As Joe suggested, go read post #21.

Also, from the main page of the IRRA® General Rules:

 

"The IRRA® reserves the right during technical inspection to disallow any car that does not meet the intent of the rules."

IIRC, Joe used the above clause to tell a racer that he felt the body presented to him was a non-approved JK 70812A.


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