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#51 John Miller

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:23 PM

So, a racer comes to tech.

 

They meet the minimum .008" thickness as prescribed by the rules and can be told that the body does not meet the intent of the rule?


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:26 PM

Yes.

 

Now does Ron or Larry have any other questions?


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:30 PM

This is just me, Joe. Your paranoia is getting to you.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:33 PM

No paranoia, John.

 

Now tell me, would you really go through the trouble of trying to tape the sides and put gobs of paint on an .007" body and think you would still have the advantage of a .007" body?


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:37 PM

No, I'll buy the legal bodies and paint them up. Besides, one de-slot and the thin body advantage is out the window anyway.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:38 PM

I am out of the loop, and didn't even know that JK was pulling .007" bodies until this conversation took place.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:40 PM

John,

 

When we receive text like shown below, you might understand Joe's skepticism that you come here entirely on your own volition.

 

· John Miller: The rule amendment appears to be reasonable. My hats off to the boyz.

· William Brinkley: I agree john. I like it.

· Millington Conroy: The world is safe again for dogs and little children, now back to the Arizona Boys...

· Ron Hershman: what changed?

· John Miller: That's why I like it! Nothing changed!

· Larry Mattingly: LOL...

· John Miller: Now, they just need to figure out how even the playing field so Puppy Dogs can compete against the Chicken Hawks.

· John Miller: I know that Rick has some suggestions. Right Rick?

· Larry Mattingly: Nothing new on 'nominal' chicken hawk winds? ...

· Larry Mattingly: And the beautiful part is... it doesn't eliminate .007 bodies...

· John Miller: What I find interesting is that it appears that every body manufacturer is pulling .007 bodies. I was told that NEVER happened. lol

· Larry Mattingly: Couple of squirts of paint in the 'measured area' and all is well...


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:46 PM

And your point Mike? I said/referenced all of those things right here on this board.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:50 PM

Mike, since you are sharing, you should post the pics in that thread.

 

They clearly show a dial indicator on clear .007" Lexan achieving .010" after being painted.

 

Can you post those up for us, too?


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:55 PM

I wasn't wherever you were discussing it, nor did I see a picture.

Was it a piece of Lexan or a pulled body?


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:55 PM

My mistake, it was clear .005" Lexan going to .010" with paint.

 

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 02:57 PM

I never saw such a picture and if I did I don't believe every picture on the Internet. Do you, John?


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 03:00 PM

I have painted one hell of a lot of bodies and never added 5 thou of thickness with paint. Perhaps that flat sheet was coated with household latex paint. Should have been 15 thou then.

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 03:01 PM

And at the end of the day, John, what is your point in all of this?


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 03:02 PM

That the rule change did nothing but bring in subjectivity.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 03:02 PM

John,

 

Whose hand is in the picture?


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 03:06 PM

I think it's Ron's. 

 

By the way, I still smell a rat with all of this.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 03:10 PM

I think it's Ron's.

 

Did the IRRA® rehire him as a consulant... or is he working pro bono? LOL.

Anyway, time to shift into raceway owner mode.

Carry on.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 03:26 PM

John,
 
When we receive text like shown below, you might understand Joe's skepticism that you come here entirely on your own volition.
 
· John Miller: The rule amendment appears to be reasonable. My hats off to the boyz.
· William Brinkley: I agree john. I like it.
· Millington Conroy: The world is safe again for dogs and little children, now back to the Arizona Boys...
· Ron Hershman: what changed?
· John Miller: That's why I like it! Nothing changed!
· Larry Mattingly: LOL...
· John Miller: Now, they just need to figure out how even the playing field so Puppy Dogs can compete against the Chicken Hawks.
· John Miller: I know that Rick has some suggestions. Right Rick?
· Larry Mattingly: Nothing new on 'nominal' chicken hawk winds? ...
· Larry Mattingly: And the beautiful part is... it doesn't eliminate .007 bodies...
· John Miller: What I find interesting is that it appears that every body manufacturer is pulling .007 bodies. I was told that NEVER happened. lol
· Larry Mattingly: Couple of squirts of paint in the 'measured area' and all is well...


When was the last time any of these guys raced at an IRRA® race? LOL.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 03:47 PM

I think it's Ron's. 
 
By the way, I still smell a rat with all of this.


Really now?

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 05:44 PM

I checked some of my bodies, before and after four coats of Createx sprayed out of the bottle (unthinned). I think just about anyone will tell you that acrylic paints go on thicker than lacquers. 

 

At MOST, I added .001". Anyone who adds .005" worth of paint will probably make a mess of the track the first time it hits anything. 

 

I smell something, and it's not a rat....


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 06:47 PM

I just did a quick test myself. I started with .010" Lexan and brushed on two coats of white water base Createx, and got to .012".

 

In my opinion, if I went any thicker it would be noticeable that I put a heavy coat of paint on. I could airbrush .002" of paint without much problem. I would have painted a body, but didn't want to go through all the clean up.

 

Mike Swiss, for clarity, that is my hand in the photo.

 

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Posted 14 February 2015 - 06:54 PM

Ok, now when that dries, fold it in half...

 

I'm not surprised two brushed coats is .002". Next time you airbrush a body, measure before and after in the same places and post your findings. I honestly want to know what your results are.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 06:57 PM

You are working with a piece of Lexan that had not gone through the molding process.

Go use your oven to pretreat it. Yanno, the one you baked tires in and motors in your never-ending mission to question what the BoD does.

Simply put, go ahead and conduct a seminar on how to cheat. Film at 11?

Now go get some more pats on the back from Larry. You know, the guy who had the answer for everything.


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Posted 14 February 2015 - 07:03 PM

For the uninformed spray paint thickness is measured in mils not Inches. I mil =.001 inch.

 

My advice: use Parma bodies and pass tech with out all this other BS.

 

For John Miller, spec pinions seven for PDs and eights for Retro Hawks would make the motors much more equal. Try it.


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