219 replies to this topic

[JHMerriman]

Has the BoD looked at the tolerance of the tool used to measure the thickness of the body?

[Noose]

Indeed, James.

The tool I use was calibrated using feeler gauges manufactured to ISO 17025, Grade B, with a tolerance spec of +.0000. /-.0002.

[Zippity]

Congratulations to any organisation that attempts to rid the sport of cheats and those who want to win at any cost.

[JerseyJohn]

Well said, Ron... and they are out there!!!

[JerseyJohn]

When you race in a group whose Mains are separated by a Tenth of a second and races are won by less than a lap. EVERYTHING MATTERS, including bodies. Why do you think everyone went nuts when Matt Bruce taped his interiors to the chassis? Competition is fierce!!!

We all want to win AND everything you can do to a car matters...

jj

[Samiam]

Congratulations to any organization that attempts to rid the sport of cheats and those who want to win at any cost.

 

Also to rid the sport of manufacturers and builders of cheating parts. And their cronies who still support them. 

[JHMerriman]

If getting rid of people is the goal, then man up and ban them! Quit beating around the bush.

[pops]

Has the BoD looked at the tolerance of the tool used to measure the thickness of the body?

I know they only measure plastic toy cars, but anyone who believes you can maintain accurate measurements with digital caliper type gauges is only kidding themselves and the people that believe them.

[John Streisguth]

Do we need Six Sigma quality control on this?

[Dan Ebert]

It seems like the only ones concerned about the rule do not race IRRA^® at all or a few events a year. So for those few, please take your torches and hanging ropes to the next village. 

 

I am truly growing tired of the bickering over something you don't participate in, but want to control.

[Bryan Warmack]

i know they only measure plastic toy cars, but anyone who believes you can maintain accurate measurements with digital caliper type gauges is only kidding themselves and the people that believe them.

   

What I've seen is that even the cheap calipers and snap gauges are pretty good and accurate to within a .001" and certainly accurate enough to basically compare body thicknesses. 

[Jason Holmes]

Dan, well said. I only want to know the rules that I must follow so that I have a great time at the one race I play at each year.

 

Jason

[Dan Ebert]

I think the rule is very clear now.  For those that can't read or chose not to, if you read the current rules in the 2015 IRRA^® rule book, no dimensions are given for the tops of body only the sides. It was assumed by many that it was .010" for all classes but stockers. Seeing that loophole in the rules the IRRA^® BoD put in the correction to cover that. Nothing more, nothing less. It may have taken a few tries to get it right.  But the last version, seems to satisfy all racers that race regularly at IRRA^® events. 

 

Anyone that doesn't think so is just trying to continue an ongoing feud. Which doesn't serve any of the Retro groups well for future events. 

[Pappy]

I will never stop asking questions of any rule making body. My point of all this is that the rule has done nothing to keep out .007" bodies if the racer is inclined to circumvent the rules. I think that when the rules become subjective, meaning, when the tech person can bounce a racer for meeting the measurement rule, but not the intent rule, there is a problem. The intent rule is never defined, and that is subject to a double standard.

 

John,

 

Just out of curiosity what would you do if you were on the board to keep out the .007" bodies? 

 

When the IRRA^® first started I don't believe this was an issue as all the new bodies were pulled in .010" but since then I guess the other RETRO organization has allowed .007" bodies which is why they are now making them. Wonder why they did that? 

[John Miller]

I would simply require an unpainted clear spot in a designated area of the body. I think a meatball number sticker would be the right size for the tech person to take a measurement in the area without paint. If the designated spot for measurement was located on the front end if the body, the lane sticker could cover up the clear spot without hurting the body's aesthetics. This paint requirement would not be a burden to the racer and the body could be checked for thickness on the top side.

[Noose]

John, the rule is not being changed. Buy legal bodies then.

[John Miller]

I didn't suggest that, Joe. Pappy asked me what I would do, and I provided an answer.

[Pappy]

I would simply require an unpainted clear spot in a designated area of the body. 

 

But then you'd have someone bitching (at you) about screwing up their concours body.

[John Miller]

Yes, but that would be the rule and it provides a clean spot for tech. I see it no different than requiring clear windshields.

[MSwiss]

How would that work with existing bodies?

BTW, how would the paint requirements be a burden to a racer who purchased a legal/.010" body?

[John Miller]

By burden, I meant adding a meatball during the time of painting. I would only add this rule to the Premier Events at first. They could use the stockpile of bodies at the local events.

[Noose]

I just finished five Parma bodies for myself and all EASILY met the front dimension. Tis, Lola GTs, and BRM.

And they don't have a lot of paint.

[Pappy]

How would that work with existing bodies?

That's right! What about all the guys who already have their bodies painted, wouldn't that make them all illegal?
 
So there you are again.
 
See it's real easy to sit back and criticize what others do, not so much fun when you're the one being criticized.

[John Miller]

I edited my my earlier post and provided a solution.

[John Miller]

If you guys need me to solve more of your problems, just ask.