219 replies to this topic

[Brinkley47]

Could check the clear windshield?

[Noose]

John,

 

Do you even race in IRRA^® events any more?

[John Miller]

You guys really need to let this gooooo. LOL.

[MSwiss]

If you guys need me to solve more of your problems, just ask.

How is requiring a new body for premier events solving our problem?

[Noose]

Yes, you should.

[Samiam]

It seems like the only ones concerned about the rule do not race IRRA^® at all or a few events a year. So for those few, please take your torches and hanging ropes to the next village. 
 
I am truly growing tired of the bickering over something you don't participate in, but want to control.

Seems to be a common thread among those who do that the most. Sad. Truly sad.

[John Miller]

How is requiring a new body for premier events solving our problem?

My last post on this because I don't want Mike to think that I am ignoring him.

This eliminates the question of how thick is the paint. The clear area can be measured and if it meets the minimum, how could the body be deemed illegal?

[MSwiss]

You guys really need to let this gooooo. LOL.

 

Says the guy who has made 28 posts in this thread. LOL.

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Oops, added one more to make it 29.

[Pappy]

I would only add this rule to the Premier Events at first. They could use the stockpile of bodies at the local events.

So now we're right back where the IRRA^® board started, giving everyone time to use up all their old bodies.

[Samiam]

You guys really need to let this gooooo. LOL.

 

OK... you are free to gooooo... away, that is.

[stemmy]

At the end of the day the IRRA^® made the right decision and Retro racing will continue to grow.

[Noose]

The only reason anyone would need to use up old bodies is if they were illegal to begin with.

Just sayin'....

[tonyp]

Hummmmm?

[pops]

Do we need Six Sigma quality control on this?

 

No, they are just toy cars. but if you are going to give a minimum, you need to be sure you are accurate.

 

   

What I've seen is that even the cheap calipers and snap gauges are pretty good and accurate to within a .001" and certainly accurate enough to basically compare body thicknesses. 

 

I don't see a .001" tolerance in the rule.

 

It seems like the only ones concerned about the rule do not race IRRA^® at all or a few events a year. So for those few, please take your torches and hanging ropes to the next village. 

 

I am truly growing tired of the bickering over something you don't participate in, but want to control.

 

Was planning on running some of the events. Still new at this and trying not to get to confused with the constant rule changes.

[John Streisguth]

Actually not a rule change, since the .007" and .010" sides with tape has been allowed for many years, just adding the top measurement to help verify that the bodies were pulled from the thickness material specified. 

[Samiam]

Dan,

 

Nothing to be concerned about. This whole thing was only done to weed out the under spec thin bodies (.007") coming in the side door so to speak. Just get the right bodies and you will have no problems whatsoever. I guarantee it. All this talk about paint thickness and measuring tool accuracy is much to do about absolutely nothing.

 

Retro racing has been the most fair and level fielded racing I've ever done.

[Matt Sheldon]

Dan,

 

Just go race, there are plenty of opportunities in your neck of the woods to get up to speed and get a true feeling for Retro very quickly. 

 

Also the majority of the real people (Premier A Main makers) that any of this would make any real difference to are not even involved in the conversation. Sure we are all affected by the rules and we all have our opinions, but those of us in the deeper vowel mains have no business even concerning ourselves with .007" bodies. By god sometimes it just may take .020" to make it out alive and get the bump.

 

Also I realize that this is a QC measure that appears to have been needed for more than one manufacturer.

 

Props to the IRRA^® for looking out for its racers as a whole.

[Brinkley47]

So true, Matt, so true.

[George Blaha]

Hey ya awl,

 

Retro racing has been the most fair and level fielded racing I've ever done. Full size or scale. Thanks to the good rules and enforcement.

 

Shakey George

[pops]

Matt,

 

I realize this really has no effect on my performance. The thickness of my body is not going to change my lap times. it just doesn't make any sense to me to have rules that can be abused by the tech man. i feel if there is a measurement spec. all should be measured and meet it.

 

Again it really won't effect racers of my caliber either way.

 

On a better note that Z-rail Manta Ray built chassis that you sold me is awesome.

[Noose]

Every racer will be measured and when racers start to complain about the added time it's taking I'll provide them with the information on how to contact the manufacturers.

[Rick]

This is going nowhere and all points have been made and re-made.

Did you lose the lock button???...

[Noose]

No, no need to lock this up. 

 

I think folks can clearly see who instigators are. Let them have have their moment of fame. Kinda like putting a target on your back, ey?

[slotracer43]

If it is known that manufacturers are producing illegal bodies, why not just pull those bodies from the approved list? That seems so much easier to me. The IRRA^® has an approved list of bodies.

 

A racer should be able to pick one of those approved bodies, and as long as they paint it enough so you can't see through it, it should be legal.

 

If the IRRA^® feels that bodies they once approved are now no longer as they were when first approved, just pull them off the list.

[Noose]

Adam,

 

Note that the revised rule was issued to close a loophole we found. 

 

As you know, all manufacturers must submit bodies for approval. We have found, however, that there have been cases where .007" bodies were made or substantially poor ones were.  All can make legal bodies so it's up to them whether their manufacturing process is stable enough to provide bodies that meet the spec.