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[Noose]

Mike,

 

When is the last time you walked into a raceway and tried to buy an OS body down there?  The same problem exists in retro racing.  Seem only a few people can get any. Banning the use of something that isn't in supply anyway is the not the cause of putting any one out of business.

[Biscuit]

A series that is friendly to all slot manufacturers is something i would support. Outlaw still sounds like a wonderful idea. Give racers options. Not closing in on a single manufacturer lets others be involved as sponsors and even donate nice race prizes. I know i'm beating a dead horse, I just like to point out how hypocritical their availability rules are, discriminating on many long standing manufacturers who's parts I've seen to be available with my own 2 eyes. This hobby isn't big enough to rely on distributors jk knows this that's why they sell direct, tracks included i'm sure. It is what it is i guess. 

[DOCinCanton]

Bravo Tony!!!!

[Biscuit]

Peachtree was loaded with outisight bodies. I've heard tracks in states besides FL where there is demand they have the bodies. I think everyone knows me and ron are in no way buddies lol just from what I've seen i honestly don't understand. 

[Biscuit]

Another series just means too much state racing but it looks like the only option. 

 

I've talked to a few people and heard some things. Just gonna wait and see what happens i guess. 

[Grant G.]

There are special cases with all parts. I overheard one seasoned my series racer state this weekend, and I'm paraphrasing here "If I get beat by racer xyz, i want to be able to go over to the parts wall and buy said part they just beat me with" It just so happens at this point that JK has the distribution channels to make that happen. So there is a few cases where the track did not have said part that particular week. If you tell your track owner to order it, they will probably have it within a few weeks time. If thats not the case, maybe the issue with said part needs to be addressed. 

[Danny Zona]

tonyp, on 26 Oct 2015 - 7:47 PM, said:

My series is run by the raceways. They do all the work. They wrote the rules and yes it is designed so they can sell the product to the racers to compete. Bodies they banned have not been available for a year through distributors. The series is intended to keep people racing and raceways selling product so they stay in business. No raceways no racing.

If anyone wants to start and outlaw series in Florida, step up and do it. From what I see mysteries is what it is and is what the track owners want as do everyone I met at the rules meeting.

If you want an outlaw series set it up, appoint someone to run the races and be in charge and I would imagine the raceways would allow you to hold races at their tracks. Take this route instead of trying to change something that is not going to change.

Instead of complaining, put that energy into setting up a series you want.

All I know is before it was My Series we had enough racers to support two days of racing. That is my complaint. Lol. We all know why the FL state racing was changed to My Series because of a money issue and it hasn't been the same since.

Of course we have a new racer down here that doesn't care what happened and hand out a car to a racer that was part of the problem. The well known chassi builder said, "I wasn't around when that happened so I don't care." It is a different series the builder loans out the car but pretty much same racers that race. I'm sure that makes racers happy. That is my complaint.
It goes both ways I guess, Ol'friend.

[Danny Zona]

It is what it is(Greg W favorite line lol). Die hards like me race no matter what. I've seen racers and raceways come and go. I'll be around still. Can't get rid of me. Sorry to disappoint y'all. Haha Just a joke. I just wish we had more die hards like me.

[tonyp]

Like I've said. Start the outlaw series more racing will be good for everyone. Myseries is what it is. They won't change. If outlaw is what people want they will show up. Trying to change myseries is a dead issue. Stir things up constructively with a better series.

[Arne Saknussem]

Biscuit, on 26 Oct 2015 - 8:19 PM, said:

I agree. There is still no logical answer in relation to the myseries RULEBOOK as to why every manufacturer not named jk is banned. If it is a rule for one it is a rule for all. Regardless of intent, the rule clearly states one thing and the series chooses to do another. You make the smaller manufacturers go through distributor but let the all mighty jk sell direct??

 

Rules are rules. Im not interested in the feel good story of jk being there for slot car racing there was a long period where there was very little jk on the wall. If you make a good product it will sell, I run jk chassis and have pushed for retro hawk motors on this forum. Why? Because it makes sense. But half the classes jk spec? Looks like jk=walmart and we don't even have the choice to support the little guy. Like brian and danny both said why stop here lets make it all jk and put every slot car company out of business. If everyone did it like Florida that's what would happen...

 

If that was in response to my comment about logic, thank you for demonstrating the problem.  I THINK I see what you're trying to get at, but it isn't very clear.

 

As far as My Series goes, it seems to me (and I'm not there so give me the benefit of the doubt) that a logical reason has been offered for every item you're complaining about.  But there's more than one side to every story and that's what the discussion should uncover.

 

BTW:  The scarcity of OS bodies is an on-again/off-again thing but I've found it to be very real, and every raceway I ever went into that had a lot of OS bodies on the wall was "stuck" with ones nobody wanted anymore.

 

The very same thing can be said for a number of so-called "manufacturers" in our hobby.  It can also be said that a number of them exist solely for the purpose of establishing an advantage for themselves or their pals.

 

I do get to Florida on occasion and I hope to be able to race with you guys sometime no matter what rule set you end up with.

 

Be well!

[Ralph Thorne]

"General Guidelines
All parts must be a stock item with Crawley, ERI or Eagle Distributing and be readily available
from the manufacturers throughout the year."

 

Why is REH not counted as a major distributor?

 

Eagle's website show the OS Mercedes GTP body in stock, is it legal for the MySeries?

 

 

 

 

[Biscuit]

Pete I understand you aren't from Florida and haven't been around our state level racing for as long a period as some commenting here. Those that have been around since fsra or fldiv2 days have seen the evolution of what it was and what it has become. Myseries has completely overhauled its structure yearly at this point. If not for motor changes they didn't even want i would say the series would be dead. One of the top 2 or 3 myseries supporters even told me the myseries rules killed their track and no sour grapes but the series is dead. Rules just change overnight thanks to 1 or 2 opinions and they created a committee for this, all sorts of stuff that hasn't happened. Problems stem much further than anyone outside of fl can realistically understand. I'm done talking about THEIRSERIES. 

 

I agree tony we need a new series. The LONG STANDING florida racers from before theirseries days seem to be on the same page here. I've seen an opinion here of one of those who i haven't talked to in 8 yrs. Looks like there is clear support for a new series lets do it!

[Biscuit]

One of their main reasons for the $60 motor(according to the 1 and only competition committee member) was they needed these sales to keep the tracks open. LOL this is exact words on this thread, as a racer what do i think of this? You aren't looking out for me or making it easy for me to race. Not every track was on board with this decision i hear it was an executive decision made on a whim at 1 track and forced upon a whole series. Just some insight, it goes much further than the jk deal as i've said. Very unstable at the top is not the best scenario for success. 

[MSwiss]

Biscuit, on 26 Oct 2015 - 10:43 PM, said:

  I'm done talking about THEIRSERIES. 

 

I guess not.

[Biscuit]

lol i never knew so many people were interested with slot racing in florida

[Danny Zona]

MSwiss, on 26 Oct 2015 - 11:10 PM, said:

I guess not.

He must of had another thought or two. No one has never done that before. I've never seen Swiss do that before(sarcasm). Thank goodness it was spotted and pointed out. No one would of ever seen that. Lol

[Biscuit]

Sorry Mike I just didn't wanna leave Pete hangin had to add on to my post. You know as well as anyone about the disagreements I've had with Ron over the years. Me supporting his products in any way should at least tell you a little bit of where i'm coming from? Maybe I'm wrong? It wouldn't be the first time. 

 

If you just can't get them then you can't get them. But at races I've been to where they are legal they have been in plentiful supply. Some here say otherwise? If I have been lucky enough to see the couple places that do have them well maybe this thread will wake some people up about making some $$ since it seems to have a bigger audience than i thought. If demand is there I see no reason why the bodies wouldn't be available. 

 

Curious of availability rules in other regions? USRA, ISRA? Any banned manufacturers? I'm really curious to know...

[MSwiss]

Biscuit, on 26 Oct 2015 - 11:22 PM, said:

lol i never knew so many people were interested with slot racing in florida

I wasn't until you had the audacity to dig at JK because they have a shopping cart.

 

JK has kept commercial racing going, even moreso,  since Parma hasn't shipped Deathstar's and RTR's in who knows how long.

 

Like Tony said, start your own deal and allow whatever products you want instead of wasting your time in this thread, peddling illogical theories.

 

And I am done with this.

 

I won't be getting in one last word.

[Danny Zona]

I'm pretty sure a well known distributor has mentioned the same thing about the shopping cart. It's not the first time its been brought up.

[Arne Saknussem]

Mike B., I appreciate the clarification.  Thanks.

[Mike Henry]

Looks like my schedule next year is gonna be heavily based in my dirt oval program instead of the my series this used to be fun but everyone is sucking the fun out of our sport with all this debating and arguing over the rules our small sport is dying fast enough with out this crap speeding the process I'm sorry if my opinion upsets anyone here especially the ones I call my friends but it's the sad truth of it and there isn't a lot we can do to help it not when we are essentially competing against video games r/c cars and even go karts and real car racing the average person doesn't want to have to learn for years to do this for the very little pay off that it has especially when they see people win major money in karts r/c and even local and regional car racing series and there isn't any really big money races for slot cars couple that with the fact that your everyday guy has either never heard of slot cars or thought they died out in the 90s

Like I said I'm sorry if insult or upset anyone just my 2 cents